When shutting down 9.2 on a thinkpad it does not perform a power down, which I have to do manually. 8.2 and 9.0 both managed it OK, so what has changed? Not sure where to start looking, there's nothing in the thinkpad utilities I can find. (The Thinkpad doesn't have acpi only apm) -- Tim Nicholson http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.
On Monday 29 November 2004 06:29 am, Tim Nicholson wrote:
When shutting down 9.2 on a thinkpad it does not perform a power down, snip (The Thinkpad doesn't have acpi only apm) snip
Add ´apm=on´to your boot options. See the Admin Guide for details. This cured the no-shutdown problem on my TP770X. APM is not setup by default in this version as I understand it. Best install yet for my T-Pad, BTW. -- Thank You Kindly! Willard E. (Bill) Fullam III BFA, MISM bebebeel@earthlink.net
Willard E Fullam III wrote:
On Monday 29 November 2004 06:29 am, Tim Nicholson wrote:
When shutting down 9.2 on a thinkpad it does not perform a power down,
snip
(The Thinkpad doesn't have acpi only apm)
snip
Add ´apm=on´to your boot options. See the Admin Guide for details.
I have done this and it makes no difference!
This cured the no-shutdown problem on my TP770X. APM is not setup by default in this version as I understand it.
Best install yet for my T-Pad, BTW.
Mostly I agree!
-- Tim Nicholson http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.
On Saturday 04 December 2004 03:18, tim nicholson wrote:
Willard E Fullam III wrote:
On Monday 29 November 2004 06:29 am, Tim Nicholson wrote:
When shutting down 9.2 on a thinkpad it does not perform a power down,
snip
(The Thinkpad doesn't have acpi only apm)
snip
Add ´apm=on´to your boot options. See the Admin Guide for details.
I have done this and it makes no difference!
This cured the no-shutdown problem on my TP770X. APM is not setup by default in this version as I understand it.
Best install yet for my T-Pad, BTW.
Mostly I agree!
-- Tim Nicholson
I have installed many types of Linux including Suse on thinkpads, on the T series and all of them require bios tweaking to get the power management to work. Ibm has some of their own power management that interferes with the Linux system's. Not sure if this applies to the X series of Thinkpad, but I hope it helps out. Best Ron Gravelle
On Saturday 04 December 2004 14:31, rono64@nerdshack.com wrote:
On Saturday 04 December 2004 03:18, tim nicholson wrote:
Willard E Fullam III wrote:
On Monday 29 November 2004 06:29 am, Tim Nicholson wrote:
I have installed many types of Linux including Suse on thinkpads, on the T series and all of them require bios tweaking to get the power management to work. Ibm has some of their own power management that interferes with the Linux system's.
SuSE 9.1 & 9.2 come with special Thinkpad BIOS programs. One is called 'tpctl'. A graphical version is 'configure-thinkpad'. There is also a special kernel module 'km_tpctl'. Paul -- Paul Hewlett (Linux #359543) Email:`echo az.oc.evitcaten@ttelweh | rev` Tel: +27 21 852 8812 Cel : +27 72 719 2725 FAX: +27 866720563 --
Paul Hewlett wrote:
On Saturday 04 December 2004 14:31, rono64@nerdshack.com wrote:
On Saturday 04 December 2004 03:18, tim nicholson wrote:
Willard E Fullam III wrote: [snip]
I have installed many types of Linux including Suse on thinkpads, on the T series and all of them require bios tweaking to get the power management to work. Ibm has some of their own power management that interferes with the Linux system's.
SuSE 9.1 & 9.2 come with special Thinkpad BIOS programs. One is called 'tpctl'. A graphical version is 'configure-thinkpad'. There is also a special kernel module 'km_tpctl'.
Paul
I'll have a look around at these, as I said before, it was all fine on 8.2 and 9.0 so perhaps the change came in 9.1 (which I skipped!) -- Tim Nicholson http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.
Paul Hewlett wrote:
SuSE 9.1 & 9.2 come with special Thinkpad BIOS programs. One is called 'tpctl'. A graphical version is 'configure-thinkpad'. There is also a special kernel module 'km_tpctl'.
I've just installed configure-thinkpad on my R31, running SuSE 9.1 & KDE. When I try to run it, I get the error 'Application "configure-thinkpad" has crashed due to a fatal error (Aborted).' There's a link on that error message, which brings up "An error has occured while trying to launch the default web browser. Please check your settings in the 'Preferred Applications' preference tool." As I have never heard of that tool, any idea how to get around this? tnx jk
Paul Hewlett wrote:
SuSE 9.1 & 9.2 come with special Thinkpad BIOS programs. One is called 'tpctl'. A graphical version is 'configure-thinkpad'. There is also a special kernel module 'km_tpctl'.
km_tpctl only appears to be in source, but I have no idea what it is supposed to do! tpctl tells me all sorts of useful things, but I haven't got it to do anything clever like suspend yet. COnfigure-thinkpad tells me that on "lid close" the machine will go into suspend, however closing the lid does no such thing, and clicking on the suspend icon on the toolbar gives a "non entry" error saying "system is invalid!" Its almost as if there is no apm on the machine, which there is 'cos it worked with 9.0. I wonder if the change from the apmd to the powersaved is the culprit? I put apmd back on but no change. I tried taking powersaved off but the were dependency issues so I didn't. The conclusion I am rapidly coming to is that the apm part of powersaved is not working properly :( -- Tim Nicholson http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.
On Tuesday 07 December 2004 09:37, Tim Nicholson wrote:
Paul Hewlett wrote:
SuSE 9.1 & 9.2 come with special Thinkpad BIOS programs. One is called 'tpctl'. A graphical version is 'configure-thinkpad'. There is also a special kernel module 'km_tpctl'.
First off, I am using 9.1 on a Thinkpad 600 that has a faulty battery. (Evidently the battery electronics were badly designed on these models - something IBM never admitted to but that is another story)
km_tpctl only appears to be in source, but I have no idea what it is supposed to do!
It is the source to the thinkpad kernel module. As root try typing : modprobe thinkpad and look at /var/log/messages to see if anything went wrong. I note that on my laptop I get an error message from the thinkpadpm module about not being able to get the power state of device at 0x400. If this is successful, edit /etc/sysconfig/kernel and add this module to the appropriate variable. Look in /usr/src/kernel-modules/tpctl for the source code from the km_tpctl package to see what it does. Also check /etc/modprobe.conf for an alias for the thinkpad device. Lastly look at /usr/share/doc/packages/tpctl directory. Try typing 'ntpctl' in a console window.
tpctl tells me all sorts of useful things, but I haven't got it to do anything clever like suspend yet.
tpctl -all tpctl -ib are useful.
COnfigure-thinkpad tells me that on "lid close" the machine will go into suspend, however closing the lid does no such thing, and clicking on the suspend icon on the toolbar gives a "non entry" error saying "system is invalid!"
Mine returns an error "System busy". Additionally the Edit->Preferences and View->Information menu items are greyed out.
Its almost as if there is no apm on the machine, which there is 'cos it worked with 9.0.
Mine seems to be OK. However I am always on AC power because of the faulty battery problem.. I have my laptop set up as moving pictureframe as described at www.linuxtoys.net and simply needed to disable the internal display blank timer. This I did by putting /usr/bin/tpctl --pm-timer-mode-blank-display=disable in the file /etc/init.d/boot.local. It seems to have worked i.e. I no longer have to periodically hit the spacebar to get my pictures back.
I wonder if the change from the apmd to the powersaved is the culprit? I put apmd back on but no change. I tried taking powersaved off but the were dependency issues so I didn't.
I boot with acpi=off on the kernel commandline. dmesg reveals that APM is initialized.
The conclusion I am rapidly coming to is that the apm part of powersaved is not working properly :(
Something is definitely not right. Have you looked at tpctl.sourceforge.net ? Regards Paul -- Paul Hewlett (Linux #359543) Email:`echo az.oc.evitcaten@ttelweh | rev` Tel: +27 21 852 8812 Cel : +27 72 719 2725 FAX: +27 866720563 --
Paul Hewlett wrote:
On Tuesday 07 December 2004 09:37, Tim Nicholson wrote:
Paul Hewlett wrote:
SuSE 9.1 & 9.2 come with special Thinkpad BIOS programs. One is called 'tpctl'. A graphical version is 'configure-thinkpad'. There is also a special kernel module 'km_tpctl'.
First off, I am using 9.1 on a Thinkpad 600 that has a faulty battery. (Evidently the battery electronics were badly designed on these models - something IBM never admitted to but that is another story)
[snip] I boot with acpi=off on the kernel commandline. dmesg reveals that APM is initialized.
The conclusion I am rapidly coming to is that the apm part of powersaved is not working properly :(
Something is definitely not right. Have you looked at tpctl.sourceforge.net ?
I think those good folks at SuSE have realised that all was not well too, since after performing a YOU update which included a new kernel, its all suddenly come good!! -- Tim Nicholson http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.
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