Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed
Problem with zypper dup that sometimes have hick-ups with two conflicting Mesa versions available. Why is there a MESA version in the packman repos if opensuse provides one too? To be clear I am talking about the Tumbleweed repos. I recall some graphic card reason, but it is a recall that comes remotely and long time ago. So since this recently caused me some trouble because of shifting repo here and there I wanted to understand. Someone can maybe educate me on this. I do not think that patent rights can be an issue here. I just have to decide which Mesa should I use and I do not have any base for discrimination between the two. Thank you in advance. P.S. this is a re-invoice of the very message. The first and second vanished, possibly due to a spam filter.
Hi, Unfortunately, it's all about patents... Only way to survive this right now is to pin Packman repos and stick to then ~at all costs. Cheers, Damian Feb 5, 2023 10:37:25 Stakanov <stakanov@disroot.org>:
Problem with zypper dup that sometimes have hick-ups with two conflicting Mesa versions available.
Why is there a MESA version in the packman repos if opensuse provides one too? To be clear I am talking about the Tumbleweed repos.
I recall some graphic card reason, but it is a recall that comes remotely and long time ago. So since this recently caused me some trouble because of shifting repo here and there I wanted to understand. Someone can maybe educate me on this. I do not think that patent rights can be an issue here. I just have to decide which Mesa should I use and I do not have any base for discrimination between the two.
Thank you in advance.
P.S. this is a re-invoice of the very message. The first and second vanished, possibly due to a spam filter.
In data domenica 5 febbraio 2023 10:38:58 CET, Damian ha scritto:
Hi, Unfortunately, it's all about patents... Only way to survive this right now is to pin Packman repos and stick to then ~at all costs.
Cheers, Damian
Feb 5, 2023 10:37:25 Stakanov <stakanov@disroot.org>:
Problem with zypper dup that sometimes have hick-ups with two conflicting Mesa versions available.
Why is there a MESA version in the packman repos if opensuse provides one too? To be clear I am talking about the Tumbleweed repos.
I recall some graphic card reason, but it is a recall that comes remotely and long time ago. So since this recently caused me some trouble because of shifting repo here and there I wanted to understand. Someone can maybe educate me on this. I do not think that patent rights can be an issue here. I just have to decide which Mesa should I use and I do not have any base for discrimination between the two.
Thank you in advance.
P.S. this is a re-invoice of the very message. The first and second vanished, possibly due to a spam filter.
Ok. My own filters did put this mail in the wrong postbox. Hmmm, filtering is difficult. I am quite shocked that there are even problems with mesa now. Quite crazy. Is there any article / discussion on what is actually the issue? I would be interested to understand.
On 05.02.2023 12:43, Stakanov wrote:
I am quite shocked that there are even problems with mesa now. Quite crazy. Is there any article / discussion on what is actually the issue? I would be interested to understand.
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15258
On 05.02.2023 12:43, Stakanov wrote:
I am quite shocked that there are even problems with mesa now. Quite crazy. Is there any article / discussion on what is actually the issue? I would be interested to understand.
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15258
In data domenica 5 febbraio 2023 10:48:26 CET, Andrei Borzenkov ha scritto: thank you very much. Appreciated.
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <7af3171e-db3c-4b5b-8c13-27609d487906@gmail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 10:38:58 +0100 (GMT+01:00) [Damian] == Damian <damianzrb@gmail.com> has written: [...] Damian> Only way to survive this right now is to pin Packman repos Damian> and stick to then ~at all costs. You've got it all wrong. What is provided by Packman is exactly the same as what is provided by openSUSE (Tumbleweed, etc.). Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: m.nomiya+suse @ gmail.com ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Bill! You married with Computer. Not with Me!" "No..., with money."
Hi, Then shipping same package in both places makes no sense, right? If they're there, then it means something differs them, and that is whole h264 etc thing. Cheers, Damian Feb 5, 2023 11:40:18 Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp>:
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <7af3171e-db3c-4b5b-8c13-27609d487906@gmail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 10:38:58 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
[Damian] == Damian <damianzrb@gmail.com> has written:
[...] Damian> Only way to survive this right now is to pin Packman repos Damian> and stick to then ~at all costs.
You've got it all wrong.
What is provided by Packman is exactly the same as what is provided by openSUSE (Tumbleweed, etc.).
Regards.
--- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: m.nomiya+suse @ gmail.com ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Bill! You married with Computer. Not with Me!" "No..., with money."
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <14762aaa-5c4a-45f0-a6df-a8063aeda2b8@gmail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:48:25 +0100 (GMT+01:00) [Damian] == Damian <damianzrb@gmail.com> has written: Damian> Hi, Damian> Then shipping same package in both places makes no sense, Damian> right? If they're there, then it means something differs Damian> them, and that is whole h264 etc thing. Why don't you compare the SPEC files of the two? Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: m.nomiya+suse @ gmail.com ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "A bachelor’s degree still holds prestige as a ticket to the middle class, but its value has received increasing scrutiny. In the last several years, rising tuition and student loan debt have led more Americans to reconsider an investment in postsecondary education." -- Washington Post --
On 2023-02-05 11:55, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <14762aaa-5c4a-45f0-a6df-a8063aeda2b8@gmail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:48:25 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
[Damian] == Damian <damianzrb@gmail.com> has written:
Damian> Hi, Damian> Then shipping same package in both places makes no sense, Damian> right? If they're there, then it means something differs Damian> them, and that is whole h264 etc thing.
Why don't you compare the SPEC files of the two?
Download both packages, expand them in different directories, and do a compare file by file. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <18ad8e71-1ece-a8a2-892d-e04f67b6f0cf@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 12:12:15 +0100 [CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written: MN> > Why don't you compare the SPEC files of the two? CER> Download both packages, expand them in different directories, CER> and do a compare file by file. That kind of hassle is unnecessary. This is all; [...] %if 0%{?BUILD_ORIG} %define video_codecs 1 %else %define video_codecs 0 %endif [...] %if %{video_codecs} -Dvideo-codecs=h264dec,h264enc,h265dec,h265enc,vc1dec \ %endif [...] Regards & Good Night. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: m.nomiya+suse @ gmail.com ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ Think. -- The IBM slogan --
On 05.02.2023 14:20, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <18ad8e71-1ece-a8a2-892d-e04f67b6f0cf@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 12:12:15 +0100
[CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written:
MN> > Why don't you compare the SPEC files of the two?
CER> Download both packages, expand them in different directories, CER> and do a compare file by file.
That kind of hassle is unnecessary. This is all;
[...] %if 0%{?BUILD_ORIG}
And what makes you think it has the same value on SUSE OBS and Packman OBS?
%define video_codecs 1 %else %define video_codecs 0 %endif [...] %if %{video_codecs} -Dvideo-codecs=h264dec,h264enc,h265dec,h265enc,vc1dec \ %endif [...]
Regards & Good Night.
--- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: m.nomiya+suse @ gmail.com ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ Think. -- The IBM slogan --
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <8e7d8980-98e8-0899-30cc-5c5702b7bfbd@gmail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 14:31:44 +0300 [AB] == Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> has written: [...] AB> > That kind of hassle is unnecessary. AB> > This is all; AB> > AB> > AB> > [...] AB> > %if 0%{?BUILD_ORIG} AB> And what makes you think it has the same value on SUSE OBS and AB> Packman OBS? I have no idea what you are trying to say. [...] %if 0%{?BUILD_ORIG} %define video_codecs 1 %else %define video_codecs 0 %endif [...] %if %{video_codecs} -Dvideo-codecs=h264dec,h264enc,h265dec,h265enc,vc1dec \ %endif [...] Both SUSE OBS and Packman OBS set the value of video_codecs to 1 if BUILD_ORIG is not 0, otherwise the value of video_codecs is 0. If the value of video_codecs is 1, the following option is added; -Dvideo-codecs=h264dec,h264enc,h265dec,h265enc,vc1dec \ The SPEC is set as above, can you understand? Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: m.nomiya+suse @ gmail.com ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "A bachelor’s degree still holds prestige as a ticket to the middle class, but its value has received increasing scrutiny. In the last several years, rising tuition and student loan debt have led more Americans to reconsider an investment in postsecondary education." -- Washington Post --
On 2023-02-05 13:19, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <8e7d8980-98e8-0899-30cc-5c5702b7bfbd@gmail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 14:31:44 +0300
[AB] == Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> has written:
[...] AB> > That kind of hassle is unnecessary. AB> > This is all; AB> > AB> > AB> > [...] AB> > %if 0%{?BUILD_ORIG}
AB> And what makes you think it has the same value on SUSE OBS and AB> Packman OBS?
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
That we don't know the value of that variable. I assume it is set on the command line. And each site may do a different call. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Hello, Today's last mail. In the Message; Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <9162588c-67fe-15b8-7fdb-615b43fd85ab@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 13:22:32 +0100 [CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written: [...] CER> > AB> And what makes you think it has the same value on SUSE OBS and CER> > AB> Packman OBS? CER> > CER> > I have no idea what you are trying to say. CER> That we don't know the value of that variable. I assume it is CER> set on the command line. And each site may do a different call. Iy say here; https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:RPM_conditional_builds This variant use a way that combines definition and usage: 0 means default boolean value, ? means "to judge". So the whole statement means if BUILD_ORIG condition is met, then set the build status of the if quoted content to 1, which is to build them; if it's not met, then use default, which is 0, not to build. So, to enable codecs such as h264, h265, etc., # rpmbuild --rebuild -D 'BUILD_ORIG 1' Mesa-XXX.src.rpm Thus we set the value of BUILD_ORIG to value 1 to build. Just because it's Packman doesn't ignores patent issues. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: m.nomiya+suse @ gmail.com ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ " Today’s China is not the old China humiliated and bullied over 100 years ago. It is time for these people to wake up from their imperial dream." -- Hua Chunying’s Regular Press Conference on August 4, 2022 --
On 05.02.2023 15:19, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <8e7d8980-98e8-0899-30cc-5c5702b7bfbd@gmail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 14:31:44 +0300
[AB] == Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> has written:
[...] AB> > That kind of hassle is unnecessary. AB> > This is all; AB> > AB> > AB> > [...] AB> > %if 0%{?BUILD_ORIG}
AB> And what makes you think it has the same value on SUSE OBS and AB> Packman OBS?
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Then stop talking about something you do not understand.
On 05.02.2023 15:29, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
On 05.02.2023 15:19, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
Hello,
In the Message;
Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <8e7d8980-98e8-0899-30cc-5c5702b7bfbd@gmail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 14:31:44 +0300
[AB] == Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> has written:
[...] AB> > That kind of hassle is unnecessary. AB> > This is all; AB> > AB> > AB> > [...] AB> > %if 0%{?BUILD_ORIG}
AB> And what makes you think it has the same value on SUSE OBS and AB> Packman OBS?
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Then stop talking about something you do not understand.
Factory Mesa build log: [ 41s] Video Codecs: Packman Essentials tw_Mesa:drivers build log [ 33s] Video Codecs: h264dec h264enc h265dec h265enc vc1dec
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <5b56ad41-1628-a43b-dc07-77ce25be5d68@gmail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 15:44:57 +0300 [AB] == Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> has written: [...] AB> Factory Mesa build log: AB> [ 41s] Video Codecs: AB> Packman Essentials tw_Mesa:drivers build log AB> [ 33s] Video Codecs: h264dec h264enc h265dec h265enc vc1dec Normally, this kind of data should be shown together with the build conditions, right? Why don't you read the detailed explanation in this thread? In the Message; Subject : [packman] AMD Radeon 600 series, Leap 15.4, VLC DVD player Message-ID : <CALtYYowGebjxLQfoQpJ-xyjAcH-n0cYwgrhRQY-6rqQyv-QquQ@mail.gmail.com> Date & Time: Sat, 7 Jan 2023 21:00:35 +0200 Steven Swart <steven.swart@gmail.com> has written: [...] Regards & Good Night ALL. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: m.nomiya+suse @ gmail.com ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ 「ウクライナのNATO加盟に向けた動きを見て、黙っているロシアの指導者は いない。それはロシアへの敵対行為だ」 -- ウラジーミル・プーチン --
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <877cwww99d.wl-nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> Date & Time: Sun, 05 Feb 2023 22:07:42 +0900 [MN] == Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> has written: MN> Hello, MN> In the Message; MN> Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed MN> Message-ID : <5b56ad41-1628-a43b-dc07-77ce25be5d68@gmail.com> MN> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 15:44:57 +0300 MN> [AB] == Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> has written: MN> [...] AB> Factory Mesa build log: AB> [ 41s] Video Codecs: AB> Packman Essentials tw_Mesa:drivers build log AB> [ 33s] Video Codecs: h264dec h264enc h265dec h265enc vc1dec MN> Normally, this kind of data should be shown together with the build MN> conditions, right? [...] I got a DM from a member of this ML, so I did some research and found out why Damian and Andrei say Packman is different. openSUSE has more than just a law-abiding face... Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: m.nomiya+suse @ gmail.com ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "Bill! You married with Computer. Not with Me!" "No..., with money."
"MN" == Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> writes:
MN> I got a DM from a member of this ML, so I did some research and found MN> out why Damian and Andrei say Packman is different. Care to make a summary of your findings in plain English so it will be clear to everyone who reads your summary will know the difference. Thanks -- Life is endless possibilities, and there is choice!
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <87edr04iq1.fsf@desktop.dinamizm.com> Date & Time: Wed, 08 Feb 2023 10:19:50 +0100 toganm@dinamizm.com has written:
"MN" == Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> writes:
MN> I got a DM from a member of this ML, so I did some research and found MN> out why Damian and Andrei say Packman is different.
Care to make a summary of your findings in plain English so it will be clear to everyone who reads your summary will know the difference.
I don't want to get too deep into this because it's a sensitive issue. ．．．． For example, for vlc, Packman's Tumbleweed repo has vlc-codecs-3.0.18-7.8.x86_64.rpm. But the openSUSE repo does not have anything corresponding to this, so it is not possible to play mp4 files. The email I just sent refers to this difference. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: m.nomiya+suse @ gmail.com ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "A bachelor’s degree still holds prestige as a ticket to the middle class, but its value has received increasing scrutiny. In the last several years, rising tuition and student loan debt have led more Americans to reconsider an investment in postsecondary education." -- Washington Post --
On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 12:20 PM <toganm@dinamizm.com> wrote:
Care to make a summary of your findings in plain English so it will be clear to everyone who reads your summary will know the difference.
Tumbleweed Mesa is built without hardware acceleration support for several codecs (the full list was in the message you replied to). Packman build enables support for these codecs.
Hello, The fact that Mesa has also been uploaded to Packman has generated a lot of speculation, so I'll elaborate. In the Message; Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <14762aaa-5c4a-45f0-a6df-a8063aeda2b8@gmail.com> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 11:48:25 +0100 (GMT+01:00) [Damian] == Damian <damianzrb@gmail.com> has written: [...] Damian> Then shipping same package in both places makes no sense, Damian> right? If they're there, then it means something differs Damian> them, and that is whole h264 etc thing. This is the difference between the two files; --- Mesa.spec.Suse 2023-02-06 09:46:50.321392263 +0900 +++ Mesa.spec.Pack 2023-02-06 09:39:13.075690352 +0900 @@ -126,7 +126,7 @@ Name: Mesa%{psuffix} Version: 22.3.4 -Release: 1432.1 +Release: 341.2 Summary: System for rendering 3-D graphics License: MIT Group: System/Libraries @@ -1277,7 +1277,7 @@ details * Fri Jan 27 2023 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@suse.com> - removing again BuildRequires for x264 and x265 in case - video_codecs should be built (these were never needed and used + video_codecs should be built (these were never needed nor used for build) * Fri Jan 27 2023 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@suse.com> - using gcc 12 now also on Leap 15.4; after changing build project This should help you understand that the source files and patch files for openSUSE and Packman are exactly the same, except for the release numbers, and that they are the work of the same maintener. I think that the reason why Mesa was also uploaded to Packman is to make it clear that Mesa is related to video codecs. Moreover, In the Message; Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <9162588c-67fe-15b8-7fdb-615b43fd85ab@telefonica.net> Date & Time: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 13:22:32 +0100 [CER] == "Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> has written: [...] AB>> [...] AB>>> if 0%{?BUILD_ORIG} AB>>>And what makes you think it has the same value on SUSE OBS and AB>>>Packman OBS? MN>> I have no idea what you are trying to say. CER> That we don't know the value of that variable. I assume it is CER> set on the command line. And each site may do a different call. BUILD_ORIG is one of the rpm macros specific to openSUSE, with a default value of 0, which is the same for openSUSE and Packman. This is not surprising since the same rpm files are used in the build process. Now, it is claimed that only AMD gpu users will be affected by the Mesa change, but not Intel or NVIDIA gpu users. But, I have my doubts. To begin with, are you enjoying videos encoded in h264, h265, or vc1 on openSUSE system? Because all the multimedia-related packages provided by openSUSE do not allow the use of patent-related codecs. Here is a H264 video test site, please just try; https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2554698 Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: m.nomiya+suse @ gmail.com ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "A bachelor’s degree still holds prestige as a ticket to the middle class, but its value has received increasing scrutiny. In the last several years, rising tuition and student loan debt have led more Americans to reconsider an investment in postsecondary education." -- Washington Post --
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <87r0v3r2mt.wl-nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> Date & Time: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 10:42:02 +0900 [MN] == Masaru Nomiya <nomiya@galaxy.dti.ne.jp> has written: [...] MN> To begin with, are you enjoying videos encoded in h264, h265, or vc1 MN> on openSUSE system? MN> Because all the multimedia-related packages provided by openSUSE do MN> not allow the use of patent-related codecs. MN> Here is a H264 video test site, please just try; MN> https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2554698 Since the browser may support, please test more precisely as follows; 1. downlopad video file $ yt-dlp https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2554698 --recode-video mp4 -o h264test.mp4 2. play the video file with vlc, mplayer, ffplay, kodi,... etc. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: m.nomiya+suse @ gmail.com ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ "A bachelor’s degree still holds prestige as a ticket to the middle class, but its value has received increasing scrutiny. In the last several years, rising tuition and student loan debt have led more Americans to reconsider an investment in postsecondary education." -- Washington Post --
On 06.02.2023 04:42, Masaru Nomiya wrote:
This is the difference between the two files;
--- Mesa.spec.Suse 2023-02-06 09:46:50.321392263 +0900 +++ Mesa.spec.Pack 2023-02-06 09:39:13.075690352 +0900 @@ -126,7 +126,7 @@
Name: Mesa%{psuffix} Version: 22.3.4 -Release: 1432.1 +Release: 341.2 Summary: System for rendering 3-D graphics License: MIT Group: System/Libraries @@ -1277,7 +1277,7 @@ details * Fri Jan 27 2023 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@suse.com> - removing again BuildRequires for x264 and x265 in case - video_codecs should be built (these were never needed and used + video_codecs should be built (these were never needed nor used for build) * Fri Jan 27 2023 Stefan Dirsch <sndirsch@suse.com> - using gcc 12 now also on Leap 15.4; after changing build project
This should help you understand that the source files and patch files for openSUSE and Packman are exactly the same, except for the release numbers, and that they are the work of the same maintener.
Stop telling other users complete nonsense that you do not understand. Packman has different project settings and builds Mesa with different options.
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Re: Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed Message-ID : <ee6332e6-cae1-88bb-2c5e-34a28fa95838@gmail.com> Date & Time: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 06:59:32 +0300 [AB] == Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com> has written: AB> Stop telling other users complete nonsense that you do not AB> understand. Packman has different project settings and builds AB> Mesa with different options. Sorry, but are you idiot? If not, show us the packman's build options. Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 野宮 賢 mail-to: m.nomiya+suse @ gmail.com ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ Think. -- The IBM slogan --
On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 10:37:12 +0100 Stakanov wrote:
P.S. this is a re-invoice of the very message. The first and second vanished, possibly due to a spam filter.
I got both your earlier versions here, so not a problem with the list server. -- Bob Williams No HTML please. Plain text preferred. https://useplaintext.email/
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X 6079 23-01-31 07:28 Stakanov users@l (6300) > Mesa in packman repos X N 6275 23-02-01 14:50 Stakanov users@l (6494) > Mesa in packman repos X 6576 23-02-05 10:37 Stakanov users@l (6630) > Mesa in the packman repos vs. mesa in tumbleweed But some people got them with a delay (external). - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCY9+IVRwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfVhIAAn3rJSzUEDEnjFFlgoMqP srKXjChMAJ9l3LxQxzX94DaTbPWHmSmy9Big/g== =ABj5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2023-02-05 at 10:37 +0100, Stakanov wrote:
Problem with zypper dup that sometimes have hick-ups with two conflicting Mesa versions available.
Why is there a MESA version in the packman repos if opensuse provides one too? To be clear I am talking about the Tumbleweed repos.
I recall some graphic card reason, but it is a recall that comes remotely and long time ago. So since this recently caused me some trouble because of shifting repo here and there I wanted to understand. Someone can maybe educate me on this. I do not think that patent rights can be an issue here. I just have to decide which Mesa should I use and I do not have any base for discrimination between the two.
Thank you in advance.
There have been posts about Mesa in the packman mail list recently: X N 5243 23-01-14 13:15 Nicolas Formichella packman@links2linux (11K) [packman] Mesa-32bit out of sync to Mesa X N 5307 23-01-15 22:04 llyyr packman@links2linux (7456) [packman] [PM] Mesa 22.3.3-338.2 (openSUSE Tumbleweed/x86_64) X N 5343 23-01-16 18:41 mikey packman@links2linux (7461) > [packman] Mesa-32bit X N 5542 23-01-21 20:35 Robert Ahlskog packman@links2linux (6301) [packman] [PM] Mesa-drivers 22.3.3-338.5 (openSUSE Tumbleweed/x86_64) X N 5927 23-01-29 14:19 kit packman@links2linux (6876) [packman] [PM] Mesa-drivers 22.3.4-341.1 (openSUSE Tumbleweed/x86_64) X N 5938 23-01-29 13:57 Bruce Cadieux packman@links2linux (8545) [packman] [PM] Mesa-drivers 22.3.4-341.1 (openSUSE Tumbleweed/x86_64) <http://lists.links2linux.de/pipermail/packman/> - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCY9+Jvxwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfVbAIAoIX//CHUDv62BCcwps8G l8t63jLOAJ0bIpZmwD0HnR8BQZl0GvkvQ6u2hg== =Cv2b -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
In data domenica 5 febbraio 2023 11:49:35 CET, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:
On Sunday, 2023-02-05 at 10:37 +0100, Stakanov wrote:
Problem with zypper dup that sometimes have hick-ups with two conflicting Mesa versions available.
Why is there a MESA version in the packman repos if opensuse provides one too? To be clear I am talking about the Tumbleweed repos.
I recall some graphic card reason, but it is a recall that comes remotely and long time ago. So since this recently caused me some trouble because of shifting repo here and there I wanted to understand. Someone can maybe educate me on this. I do not think that patent rights can be an issue here. I just have to decide which Mesa should I use and I do not have any base for discrimination between the two.
Thank you in advance.
There have been posts about Mesa in the packman mail list recently:
X N 5243 23-01-14 13:15 Nicolas Formichella packman@links2linux (11K) [packman] Mesa-32bit out of sync to Mesa X N 5307 23-01-15 22:04 llyyr packman@links2linux (7456) [packman] [PM] Mesa 22.3.3-338.2 (openSUSE Tumbleweed/x86_64) X N 5343 23-01-16 18:41 mikey packman@links2linux (7461) > [packman] Mesa-32bit X N 5542 23-01-21 20:35 Robert Ahlskog packman@links2linux (6301) [packman] [PM] Mesa-drivers 22.3.3-338.5 (openSUSE Tumbleweed/x86_64) X N 5927 23-01-29 14:19 kit packman@links2linux (6876) [packman] [PM] Mesa-drivers 22.3.4-341.1 (openSUSE Tumbleweed/x86_64) X N 5938 23-01-29 13:57 Bruce Cadieux packman@links2linux (8545) [packman] [PM] Mesa-drivers 22.3.4-341.1 (openSUSE Tumbleweed/x86_64)
<http://lists.links2linux.de/pipermail/packman/>
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar) In fact the issue comes up when there is a mismatch between the speed certain dependencies are requested, hence first I was asked to "change vendor" so I did, only to find out that the very files then were offered a few days after...requesting "change vendor" again.
Hence the need for discrimination about what to do, since the packages are seemingly(!) the same, but if you dig into that discussion you see, yes the issue is there (as usually). It is a bit sad that even mesa is now hit by this.
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