Re: [opensuse] cut and past totally broken
do You use no firewall foe Your notebook? it would be better, to care about that! without a firewall, anyone, who has the knowledge, can take over Your pc, and You have no more to think about biving Your passwords to the programmers of SuSe! Even my t-com-box , I use here, produced by former state official T-COM , has a simple firewall . And, You can set a minimum on policies, to prevent free access to Your data, SuSe´s firewall has more finegraded functions, You block services per port & their are { since I have learned networking in the early 1990´s } a whole bunch of ports more, which can be used to transfer ~ 1050 types o f protocols, to be used to transfer data to & from Your ASUS notebook. You should improve Your knowledge in Internet & Network Security, Ruben, after that, You will ask, how good Your Mint Firewall will protect You from external access & not rely on "linux" as a whole..., vulnerabilities in os are as a minefield, you never know, if the next is expolding behind, right, left or above You...:-D in every case, have a nice day in Brooklyn . Hans On 08.10.2014 10:04, Ruben Safir wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 12:21:48AM +0200, Hans Walter Finckh wrote:
Hi Ruben,
I have tested Mint too, but was definively not amsued, that, when everything was running so fine as You described it, the firewall was steady open & not closed, once , after the 1rst boot, but after every new start of my systen, too.
What makes you think a firewall is on or off is Linux and why do you need a firewall for a laptop?
this is the beginning or the problem.
Ruben
I use a HP 625 notebook, similar too You and had a bunch of problems with Open Suse 13.1, e.g. , root rigths have been steadily demanded for adapting the brightness level, after having clicked at one of the links in this tiny little field, a complete structure of my internal data appered on a localy hosted firefox site, I really thought, " ...do You all wonna kid me here.." and have now, for a certain time, a win xp running, as an emergency system,despite, mickysofts narratives, xp has expired and all this nonsense, they have even told us, when I had my 6 month mscse training at DITEC system house in Donaueschingen, Black Forest in germany. They indeed wanted us to set our name under a script, which said, that we never will say something negative against mickysoft. At that time, I was in deed a real greenhorn in networking after having passed all the 6 exams and Oracle Database basic lessons with ~ 890 of 1000 .
But, what i have found out is, that someone has achieved to crack my bios pw, after 4 years a not very honourable achievement, but, I have already contacted HP support and they sent me a procedure, to set it back. After that, I will try again, to help Open Suse cause, I hope, You are not right in saying, the system has to be given to the programmers, if You are right and I will have the same struggle, I will make up my mind very well and ..... go garden working in summer and have look for a wood house in the Scotish Mountains or on the Isle of Man in spring , autumn or winter and will only check my mails from time to time, ....
You are right, I may can never do this,wishing You good luck with Your Mint Installation
Best of my Regards
It is not an upgrade. It is a fresh installation on ASUS new laptop So a vanilla 13.1 installation without updates? You ought to report it and see what happens.
So - I downloaded the latest Mint Distro and it installed relatively
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 02:27:51AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote: painlessly on my new laptop, with everything not only seemly working, but I was happy to see that I could configure the mouse and touchpad so that it is actually usable. Cut and Paste works. Networking and wireless works. The monitor and screen function perfectly. It just WORKS.
After all these years of using SuSE variants, honestly I just don't know where you guys made the wrong turn but I know it has to do with two things:
A: Egos - it is just imposible to talk with anyone in the opensuse project any longer, let alone work with them
B: Do all - do everything projects that go way past being useful
C: Software that is too controlling
There has to be some deep seated soul searching at the SuSE labs. The software is abomable
There are so many problems with the new distro that I've decided I have no choice but to change it. The keychain for doing the wireless is the final straw. I don't want my passwords stored in the software. That is why they are password, so that the stupid human needs remember them and have control, not the 'system'. Its not a computer system any longer. Its become an invasion of my computer, just like Microsoft. I refuse to give up control of my computer to the programers .... So now I'm downloading Mint, Slackware and I'll look around.
Suse has painted itself into a corner. Not only does the software not work, but it has become intrussive.
Ruben
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On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 03:33:21PM +0200, Hans Walter Finckh wrote:
do You use no firewall foe Your notebook? it would be better, to care about that! without a firewall, anyone, who has the knowledge, can take over Your pc, and You have no more to think about biving Your passwords to the programmers of SuSe! Even my t-com-box , I use here, produced by former state official T-COM , has a simple firewall .
And, You can set a minimum on policies, to prevent free access to Your data, SuSe´s firewall has more finegraded functions, You block services per port & their are { since I have learned networking in the early 1990´s } a whole bunch of ports more, which can be used to transfer ~ 1050 types o f protocols, to be used to transfer data to & from Your ASUS notebook.
No that is not true, sweety. Your only as secure as the applications working on you system As for the "firewall" it is always there. I asume the iptable mods are loaded in the kernel. You should write your OWN iptable rules Ruben
You should improve Your knowledge in Internet & Network Security, Ruben, after that, You will ask, how good Your Mint Firewall will protect You from external access & not rely on "linux" as a whole..., vulnerabilities in os are as a minefield, you never know, if the next is expolding behind, right, left or above You...:-D
in every case, have a nice day in Brooklyn .
Hans
On 08.10.2014 10:04, Ruben Safir wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 12:21:48AM +0200, Hans Walter Finckh wrote:
Hi Ruben,
I have tested Mint too, but was definively not amsued, that, when everything was running so fine as You described it, the firewall was steady open & not closed, once , after the 1rst boot, but after every new start of my systen, too.
What makes you think a firewall is on or off is Linux and why do you need a firewall for a laptop?
this is the beginning or the problem.
Ruben
I use a HP 625 notebook, similar too You and had a bunch of problems with Open Suse 13.1, e.g. , root rigths have been steadily demanded for adapting the brightness level, after having clicked at one of the links in this tiny little field, a complete structure of my internal data appered on a localy hosted firefox site, I really thought, " ...do You all wonna kid me here.." and have now, for a certain time, a win xp running, as an emergency system,despite, mickysofts narratives, xp has expired and all this nonsense, they have even told us, when I had my 6 month mscse training at DITEC system house in Donaueschingen, Black Forest in germany. They indeed wanted us to set our name under a script, which said, that we never will say something negative against mickysoft. At that time, I was in deed a real greenhorn in networking after having passed all the 6 exams and Oracle Database basic lessons with ~ 890 of 1000 .
But, what i have found out is, that someone has achieved to crack my bios pw, after 4 years a not very honourable achievement, but, I have already contacted HP support and they sent me a procedure, to set it back. After that, I will try again, to help Open Suse cause, I hope, You are not right in saying, the system has to be given to the programmers, if You are right and I will have the same struggle, I will make up my mind very well and ..... go garden working in summer and have look for a wood house in the Scotish Mountains or on the Isle of Man in spring , autumn or winter and will only check my mails from time to time, ....
You are right, I may can never do this,wishing You good luck with Your Mint Installation
Best of my Regards
>It is not an upgrade. It is a fresh installation on ASUS new laptop So a vanilla 13.1 installation without updates? You ought to report it and see what happens.
So - I downloaded the latest Mint Distro and it installed relatively
On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 02:27:51AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote: painlessly on my new laptop, with everything not only seemly working, but I was happy to see that I could configure the mouse and touchpad so that it is actually usable. Cut and Paste works. Networking and wireless works. The monitor and screen function perfectly. It just WORKS.
After all these years of using SuSE variants, honestly I just don't know where you guys made the wrong turn but I know it has to do with two things:
A: Egos - it is just imposible to talk with anyone in the opensuse project any longer, let alone work with them
B: Do all - do everything projects that go way past being useful
C: Software that is too controlling
There has to be some deep seated soul searching at the SuSE labs. The software is abomable
There are so many problems with the new distro that I've decided I have no choice but to change it. The keychain for doing the wireless is the final straw. I don't want my passwords stored in the software. That is why they are password, so that the stupid human needs remember them and have control, not the 'system'. Its not a computer system any longer. Its become an invasion of my computer, just like Microsoft. I refuse to give up control of my computer to the programers .... So now I'm downloading Mint, Slackware and I'll look around.
Suse has painted itself into a corner. Not only does the software not work, but it has become intrussive.
Ruben
-- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland.
-- To unsubscribe, e-mail:opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail:opensuse+owner@opensuse.org -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com
DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com
Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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Hans On 07.10.2014 23:18, Ruben Safir wrote: title:Storage Specialist tel;work:+49 7452 88 959 14 tel;fax:+49 7452 88 959 15 tel;home:+49 7452 88 959 14 tel;cell:+49 151 75 100 896 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.andromedahelpline.beepworld.de version:2.1 end:vcard
begin:vcard fn:Hans Walter Finckh n:Finckh;Hans Walter org:andromdehelpline IT - / EDV - Beratung & Dienstleistungen;Datacenter Migration adr;quoted-printable:;;Talstra=C3=9Fe 2;Jettingen;Baden-Wuerttemberg;71131;German email;internet:MEhw84@gmx.de title:Storage Specialist tel;work:+49 7452 88 959 14 tel;fax:+49 7452 88 959 15 tel;home:+49 7452 88 959 14 tel;cell:+49 151 75 100 896 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.andromedahelpline.beepworld.de version:2.1 end:vcard
-- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998 http://www.mrbrklyn.com DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002 http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive http://www.coinhangout.com - coins! http://www.brooklyn-living.com Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and and extermination camps, but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
As for the "firewall" it is always there. I asume the iptable mods are loaded in the kernel. You should write your OWN iptable rules
Ruben
Conversation taking a side trip to security. A newbie question although have used linux for 10 years. I use the firewall that comes with my Apple Airport Extreme wireless router and also use NAT with my home network. I don't think that I've ever been compromised. Any comments on this assumption or the usefulness of this approach? Thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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