On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 15:56, James Knott wrote:

I'm sure many here agree with this.

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=295&tag=nl.e011 Sure they do, but I don't. My browsers of choice in order:

1 - Opera 2 - Konq 3 - Links 4 - FF I use konsole & command line for file browsing and rarely use Konqueror. I don't really care about new users. As far as I am concerned, if they don't want to learn the command line, tough on them. I can get around. And yes, I do know this is a selfish view to take. As for the author's take on KDE4, mine differs signicantly from his. I love it! The only problem is that fact that the undo button on Spider solitaire is next to the restart button.

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On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:56:44 -0500 James Knott wrote:

I'm sure many here agree with this.

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=295&tag=nl.e011

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I don't understand why there are not an option for the default filemanager, like there are for Web Browser, Email Client and etc. For me, konqueror is one of the most better application of kde, and I see kde4 abandoning it. 2008/11/11, James Knott :

I'm sure many here agree with this.

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James Knott wrote:

I'm sure many here agree with this.

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=295&tag=nl.e011

Just imagine where KDE4 would be if all the energy and resources put into flipper had been been left developing functionality of KDE4 knowing damn good and well that KDE already had a perfectly good file manager to begin with. What a waste. KDE4 development apparently must use the FannieMae and FreddieMac management approach, but with no Paulsen to bail them out. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 08:03, Dave Plater wrote:

ne... wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 15:56, James Knott wrote:

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I'm sure many here agree with this.

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=295&tag=nl.e011

Sure they do, but I don't. My browsers of choice in order:

1 - Opera 2 - Konq 3 - Links 4 - FF

I use konsole & command line for file browsing and rarely use Konqueror.

Is this because of Dolphin by any chance? Nope. Just what I am used to and comfortable with.

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I don't really care about new users. As far as I am concerned, if they don't want to learn the command line, tough on them. I can get around. And yes, I do know this is a selfish view to take. As for the author's take on KDE4, mine differs signicantly from his. I love it! The only problem is that fact that the undo button on Spider solitaire is next to the restart button.

So the reason you love KDE4 is because you only use it for cards? By the way KDE3.5 Spider solitaire has the same layout. Nope. Looks good. Tastes great! See my needs are simple. Need to surf, read my e-mail, rip my music for transfer to my Cowon D2 and watch DVDs.

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Don't use it. All I need is pico/nano for editing.

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I use mc. I never did get into using it though it is excellent at what it does.

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I'm sure many here agree with this.

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=295&tag=nl.e011 Well, take a look at how "normal" users use a file manager (I usually just look away, else Ill just grab the keyboard). KDE needs a beginner file manager - one that shows 3bil pixel icons for files and live animated AVI icons and that can drag-n-drop to the moon and back. With silly names like My Network and My Music. Thats how normal, non tech people "manage" files, just accept it. Now if you are a power user and you liked Konq, I agree thats bad for you. But why worry about shipped filemanagers if you are a power user? Use Krusader (like I do, Im a split panel, all keyboard driven file management guy) or something else that fit your needs. Just like most

James Knott wrote: people ignore Konq for web browsing, just ignore Dolphin and use something better. The "normal" user doesnt care. I believe this is a symptom of a larger issue of the Window Managers (KDE and Gnome mainly) trying to do to many things. If they want to be revolutionary why dont they forget about filemanagers, browsers, video players, music players, file viewers etc. Just focus on what a WM should do, draw the screen (3D or not) keyboard, mouse translation, split screens, remote desktop, etc. Leave the rest to developers. We still sit, in 2008, with GIMP and Kate with different file-open dialog styles - thats just crazy IMHO. Ok, I said to much and is way OT. Manne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 09:24, Dave Plater wrote:

Ok so k3b works properly now? That was one main reason for my dropping of KDE4 for KDE3.5 Er, no. I had to use the KDE3.5 version to burn an iso to cd-rw. The KDE4 version would just die.

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Try mc you'll become an addict. Will do. Then I have to learn vim as well. nano/pico are not really suited to writing Perl scripts.

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Dave Plater said the following on 11/12/2008 07:13 AM:

Joop Beris wrote:

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On Wednesday 12 November 2008 10:24:35 Dave Plater wrote:

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Ok so k3b works properly now? That was one main reason for my dropping of KDE4 for KDE3.5

Nope. Tried to burn a simple CD with yesterday and it wouldn't do it. "Can't open for writing". And that was that. That space was in the original error by the way, not a typo.

Started K3B from KDE 3.5 in my KDE 4 session (I have both installed), and it burned the CD like a charm.

Joop

I'm surprised k3b hasn't been fixed yet maybe kde4 users don't use it anymore.

It works for me ... Well, OK, the one that came with the 11.0 liveCD didn't. But I've updated since then ... currently running kde4-k3b-4.1.3.svn881374-4.7 and just burnt a stack of CDs. Do remember to load the codecs etc. -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

ne... said the following on 11/12/2008 08:04 AM:

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:33, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Dave Plater said the following on 11/12/2008 07:13 AM:

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I'm surprised k3b hasn't been fixed yet maybe kde4 users don't use it anymore. It works for me ... Well, OK, the one that came with the 11.0 liveCD didn't. But I've updated since then ... currently running

kde4-k3b-4.1.3.svn881374-4.7

and just burnt a stack of CDs. Do remember to load the codecs etc. Er, what codecs does one need and which rpms are they in?

It depends on what you are burning. Data ... audio ... video. I burn data. K3b complains it can't find codecs but I don't care. Try telling YAST to search for k3b and see if any codecs show up. Try the opensuse-codecs-installer. Failing that, try google. -- The Internet is not the greatest threat to information security; stupidity is the greatest threat to information security. - Will Spencer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 12. November 2008 10:24:35 schrieb Dave Plater:

Ok so k3b works properly now? That was one main reason for my dropping of KDE4 for KDE3.5

As many have already pointed out, one can use KDE4 and k3b with Qt3 and kdelibs3. K3b is not an official part of KDE (releases), and the Qt4 version, AFAIK, was not released yet. So if people use unreleased software, they should expect bugs. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 16:31, Larry Stotler wrote:

I mean, I ran 10.0 on a PowerMac with 80MB RAM and was fairly productive. Now you need at least 256MB. Where will it be with 12.x? 1GB? Linux has always been strong on lower end hardware. Calm down. Things ain't all that bad. You'll be getting one of these for Xmas: http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/12/cray-supercomputer-is-worlds-fastest-that...

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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:06 PM, Steve Jeppesen wrote:

I guess this list hasn't had any grumbling after all...

Of course not. openSUSE users never grumble. :-) Best, Zonker -- Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier openSUSE Community Manager jzb@zonker.net http://zonker.opensuse.org/ http://blogs.zdnet.com/community/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org