Mouse freezes randomly but often
Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes randomly. As much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use the keyboard, the gkrellm window shows activities, the radio keeps running). It starts with stagnant movement of the mouse, then it freezes completely for several seconds and then the cursor jumps to where I move it last. Then it works normal for a while, but soon starts again. I have the problem since today (yesterday I run the updates). I had the same problem like a month ago, but then it went away "magically" after I changed the mouse-receiver to another usb-plug, but this time it doesn't help... Of course I changed the battery of the mouse, I also changed to another mouse (of the same model), plugged the wireless receiver to several different usb-plugs at the computer... reboot only helps for a short while. They are logitech wireless mouses. inxi -SMGxx System: Host: venus Kernel: 5.3.18-150300.59.93-preempt x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.18.6 tk: Qt 5.12.7 wm: kwin_x11 dm: SDDM Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3 Machine: Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: Z590 AORUS PRO AX v: -CF serial: <superuser/root required> Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z590 AORUS PRO AX serial: <superuser/root required> BIOS: American Megatrends LLC. v: F9a date: 01/24/2022 Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Ti] vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: nvidia v: 470.141.03 bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:2482 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa alternate: nv resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz s-dpi: 93 OpenGL: renderer: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 470.141.03 direct render: Yes I looked at /var/log/messages, but I cant figure out what could hint to mouse problems (due to my lack of knowledge of what to look for). Any hints what I could search for, what I could do? Thanks! -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
Hello, In the Message; Subject : Mouse freezes randomly but often Message-ID : <1de33caa-587f-0c72-7fe7-4ca2e4cd8608@daniel-bauer.com> Date & Time: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 12:19:42 +0200 [DB] == Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> has written: DB> Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes randomly. As DB> much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use the keyboard, the gkrellm DB> window shows activities, the radio keeps running). [...] DB> v: 7.5.0 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.18.6 tk: Qt 5.12.7 wm: kwin_x11 dm: SDDM DB> Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3 DB> Machine: DB> Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: Z590 AORUS PRO AX v: -CF DB> serial: <superuser/root required> DB> Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z590 AORUS PRO AX serial: <superuser/root required> DB> BIOS: American Megatrends LLC. v: F9a date: 01/24/2022 DB> Graphics: DB> Device-1: NVIDIA GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Ti] vendor: Micro-Star MSI DB> driver: nvidia v: 470.141.03 bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:2482 DB> Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: nvidia DB> unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa alternate: nv resolution: DB> 1920x1200~60Hz DB> s-dpi: 93 DB> OpenGL: renderer: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA DB> 470.141.03 DB> direct render: Yes DB> I looked at /var/log/messages, but I cant figure out what could hint to mouse DB> problems (due to my lack of knowledge of what to look for). How about reverting to the previous kernel? Regards. --- ┏━━┓彡 Masaru Nomiya mail-to: nomiya @ galaxy.dti.ne.jp ┃＼／彡 ┗━━┛ " Today’s China is not the old China humiliated and bullied over 100 years ago. It is time for these people to wake up from their imperial dream." -- Hua Chunying’s Regular Press Conference on August 4, 2022 --
On 2022-09-17 12:19, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes randomly. As much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use the keyboard, the gkrellm window shows activities, the radio keeps running).
It starts with stagnant movement of the mouse, then it freezes completely for several seconds and then the cursor jumps to where I move it last. Then it works normal for a while, but soon starts again.
I have the problem since today (yesterday I run the updates).
I had the same problem like a month ago, but then it went away "magically" after I changed the mouse-receiver to another usb-plug, but this time it doesn't help...
Of course I changed the battery of the mouse, I also changed to another mouse (of the same model), plugged the wireless receiver to several different usb-plugs at the computer... reboot only helps for a short while.
They are logitech wireless mouses.
Can you try to plug the mouse on another computer? Or boot your computer with a live system, to see if it is hardware or software. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Am 17.09.22 um 13:59 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-09-17 12:19, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes randomly. As much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use the keyboard, the gkrellm window shows activities, the radio keeps running).
It starts with stagnant movement of the mouse, then it freezes completely for several seconds and then the cursor jumps to where I move it last. Then it works normal for a while, but soon starts again.
I have the problem since today (yesterday I run the updates).
I had the same problem like a month ago, but then it went away "magically" after I changed the mouse-receiver to another usb-plug, but this time it doesn't help...
Of course I changed the battery of the mouse, I also changed to another mouse (of the same model), plugged the wireless receiver to several different usb-plugs at the computer... reboot only helps for a short while.
They are logitech wireless mouses.
Can you try to plug the mouse on another computer?
Both mouses work on a laptop running 15.2. On the other hand I am not 100% sure because the problem occurs randomly... Still, it would be strange if the same problem occurs in the same moment with two different mouse of different age...
Or boot your computer with a live system, to see if it is hardware or software.
It is complicated because the problem doesn't occur immediately. Right now - I left the computer without using for approx. two hours - the mouse works normal, while before I couldn't do anything that requires the mouse... I have the feeling (only the feeling) that it could be related to the use of the GIMP with several windows open. But I am not sure. I thought, maybe the system is swapping, but it wasn't, I checked. Another suspicion I have is that it could be related to an ssh disk I was using for the images I edited in Gimp. Again, only a guts feeling. Don't know how I could find out... -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
On 17/09/2022 16:48, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 17.09.22 um 13:59 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-09-17 12:19, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes randomly. As much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use the keyboard, the gkrellm window shows activities, the radio keeps running).
It starts with stagnant movement of the mouse, then it freezes completely for several seconds and then the cursor jumps to where I move it last. Then it works normal for a while, but soon starts again.
I have the problem since today (yesterday I run the updates).
I had the same problem like a month ago, but then it went away "magically" after I changed the mouse-receiver to another usb-plug, but this time it doesn't help...
Of course I changed the battery of the mouse, I also changed to another mouse (of the same model), plugged the wireless receiver to several different usb-plugs at the computer... reboot only helps for a short while.
They are logitech wireless mouses.
Can you try to plug the mouse on another computer?
Both mouses work on a laptop running 15.2. On the other hand I am not 100% sure because the problem occurs randomly... Still, it would be strange if the same problem occurs in the same moment with two different mouse of different age...
Or boot your computer with a live system, to see if it is hardware or software.
It is complicated because the problem doesn't occur immediately.
Right now - I left the computer without using for approx. two hours - the mouse works normal, while before I couldn't do anything that requires the mouse...
I have the feeling (only the feeling) that it could be related to the use of the GIMP with several windows open. But I am not sure.
I thought, maybe the system is swapping, but it wasn't, I checked.
Another suspicion I have is that it could be related to an ssh disk I was using for the images I edited in Gimp. Again, only a guts feeling. Don't know how I could find out...
Not sure if there's any correlation but I recently bought a new wireless mouse which, unlike another wireless model I have, won't work properly plugged into a USB port on my small laptop dock (unless used in a particular location at very close range), but will work using the port built into the laptop. Then I connected a spare phone via bluetooth and the mouse went really laggy and became barely usable until I disconnected the phone. Bluetooth and wireless are both handled by the same small card integrated into the laptop so there appears to be some crossover interference. Could you have anything either wireless or bluetooth that is getting in the way? gumb
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [09-17-22 10:50]:
Am 17.09.22 um 13:59 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-09-17 12:19, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes randomly. As much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use the keyboard, the gkrellm window shows activities, the radio keeps running).
It starts with stagnant movement of the mouse, then it freezes completely for several seconds and then the cursor jumps to where I move it last. Then it works normal for a while, but soon starts again.
I have the problem since today (yesterday I run the updates).
I had the same problem like a month ago, but then it went away "magically" after I changed the mouse-receiver to another usb-plug, but this time it doesn't help...
Of course I changed the battery of the mouse, I also changed to another mouse (of the same model), plugged the wireless receiver to several different usb-plugs at the computer... reboot only helps for a short while.
They are logitech wireless mouses.
Can you try to plug the mouse on another computer?
Both mouses work on a laptop running 15.2. On the other hand I am not 100% sure because the problem occurs randomly... Still, it would be strange if the same problem occurs in the same moment with two different mouse of different age...
Or boot your computer with a live system, to see if it is hardware or software.
It is complicated because the problem doesn't occur immediately.
Right now - I left the computer without using for approx. two hours - the mouse works normal, while before I couldn't do anything that requires the mouse...
I have the feeling (only the feeling) that it could be related to the use of the GIMP with several windows open. But I am not sure.
I thought, maybe the system is swapping, but it wasn't, I checked.
Another suspicion I have is that it could be related to an ssh disk I was using for the images I edited in Gimp. Again, only a guts feeling. Don't know how I could find out...
clean battery poles/contacts and/or try a new battery. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
* Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> [09-17-22 13:08]:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [09-17-22 10:50]:
Am 17.09.22 um 13:59 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-09-17 12:19, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes randomly. As much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use the keyboard, the gkrellm window shows activities, the radio keeps running).
It starts with stagnant movement of the mouse, then it freezes completely for several seconds and then the cursor jumps to where I move it last. Then it works normal for a while, but soon starts again.
I have the problem since today (yesterday I run the updates).
I had the same problem like a month ago, but then it went away "magically" after I changed the mouse-receiver to another usb-plug, but this time it doesn't help...
Of course I changed the battery of the mouse, I also changed to another mouse (of the same model), plugged the wireless receiver to several different usb-plugs at the computer... reboot only helps for a short while.
They are logitech wireless mouses.
Can you try to plug the mouse on another computer?
Both mouses work on a laptop running 15.2. On the other hand I am not 100% sure because the problem occurs randomly... Still, it would be strange if the same problem occurs in the same moment with two different mouse of different age...
Or boot your computer with a live system, to see if it is hardware or software.
It is complicated because the problem doesn't occur immediately.
Right now - I left the computer without using for approx. two hours - the mouse works normal, while before I couldn't do anything that requires the mouse...
I have the feeling (only the feeling) that it could be related to the use of the GIMP with several windows open. But I am not sure.
I thought, maybe the system is swapping, but it wasn't, I checked.
Another suspicion I have is that it could be related to an ssh disk I was using for the images I edited in Gimp. Again, only a guts feeling. Don't know how I could find out...
clean battery poles/contacts and/or try a new battery.
maybe move radio to a more accessable position. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
On 2022-09-17 16:48, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 17.09.22 um 13:59 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-09-17 12:19, Daniel Bauer wrote:
I can only think of you getting a different mouse and using that for a while. Yes, booting with the previous kernel would be interesting. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
Am 17.09.22 um 19:20 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> [09-17-22 13:08]:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [09-17-22 10:50]:
Am 17.09.22 um 13:59 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-09-17 12:19, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes randomly. As much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use the keyboard, the gkrellm window shows activities, the radio keeps running).
It starts with stagnant movement of the mouse, then it freezes completely for several seconds and then the cursor jumps to where I move it last. Then it works normal for a while, but soon starts again.
I have the problem since today (yesterday I run the updates).
I had the same problem like a month ago, but then it went away "magically" after I changed the mouse-receiver to another usb-plug, but this time it doesn't help...
Of course I changed the battery of the mouse, I also changed to another mouse (of the same model), plugged the wireless receiver to several different usb-plugs at the computer... reboot only helps for a short while.
They are logitech wireless mouses.
Can you try to plug the mouse on another computer?
Both mouses work on a laptop running 15.2. On the other hand I am not 100% sure because the problem occurs randomly... Still, it would be strange if the same problem occurs in the same moment with two different mouse of different age...
Or boot your computer with a live system, to see if it is hardware or software.
It is complicated because the problem doesn't occur immediately.
Right now - I left the computer without using for approx. two hours - the mouse works normal, while before I couldn't do anything that requires the mouse...
I have the feeling (only the feeling) that it could be related to the use of the GIMP with several windows open. But I am not sure.
I thought, maybe the system is swapping, but it wasn't, I checked.
Another suspicion I have is that it could be related to an ssh disk I was using for the images I edited in Gimp. Again, only a guts feeling. Don't know how I could find out...
clean battery poles/contacts and/or try a new battery.
maybe move radio to a more accessable position. (it is internet radio running in a browser window)
since my last mail I am working in Gimp and the mouse works... Indeed I had two mobile phones laying on the table right to the side of the mouse pad. I also moved the files from that ssd to another disk. So right now I don't know, if it is a coincidence, or if it has to do with the phones or with the ssd. I'll continue to work for approx. an hour. Tomorrow I'll test again after rebooting. If it's still ok, I'll first try for a while with the phones next to the mouse, and if this doesn't disturb it, I'll try again with files on the ssd. I hope I'll find out with that. I'll keep you updated, but it will take a day or two to hopefully exclude coincidences... (I'll clean the poles in the mouse after those tests or if it starts to make problems again without the phones/with the "normal" disk... :-) ) -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
Am 17.09.22 um 20:18 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Am 17.09.22 um 19:20 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> [09-17-22 13:08]:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [09-17-22 10:50]:
Am 17.09.22 um 13:59 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-09-17 12:19, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes randomly. As much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use the keyboard, the gkrellm window shows activities, the radio keeps running).
It starts with stagnant movement of the mouse, then it freezes completely for several seconds and then the cursor jumps to where I move it last. Then it works normal for a while, but soon starts again.
I have the problem since today (yesterday I run the updates).
I had the same problem like a month ago, but then it went away "magically" after I changed the mouse-receiver to another usb-plug, but this time it doesn't help...
Of course I changed the battery of the mouse, I also changed to another mouse (of the same model), plugged the wireless receiver to several different usb-plugs at the computer... reboot only helps for a short while.
They are logitech wireless mouses.
Can you try to plug the mouse on another computer?
Both mouses work on a laptop running 15.2. On the other hand I am not 100% sure because the problem occurs randomly... Still, it would be strange if the same problem occurs in the same moment with two different mouse of different age...
Or boot your computer with a live system, to see if it is hardware or software.
It is complicated because the problem doesn't occur immediately.
Right now - I left the computer without using for approx. two hours - the mouse works normal, while before I couldn't do anything that requires the mouse...
I have the feeling (only the feeling) that it could be related to the use of the GIMP with several windows open. But I am not sure.
I thought, maybe the system is swapping, but it wasn't, I checked.
Another suspicion I have is that it could be related to an ssh disk I was using for the images I edited in Gimp. Again, only a guts feeling. Don't know how I could find out...
clean battery poles/contacts and/or try a new battery.
maybe move radio to a more accessable position. (it is internet radio running in a browser window)
since my last mail I am working in Gimp and the mouse works...
Indeed I had two mobile phones laying on the table right to the side of the mouse pad.
I also moved the files from that ssd to another disk.
So right now I don't know, if it is a coincidence, or if it has to do with the phones or with the ssd.
I'll continue to work for approx. an hour. Tomorrow I'll test again after rebooting. If it's still ok, I'll first try for a while with the phones next to the mouse, and if this doesn't disturb it, I'll try again with files on the ssd.
I hope I'll find out with that. I'll keep you updated, but it will take a day or two to hopefully exclude coincidences...
(I'll clean the poles in the mouse after those tests or if it starts to make problems again without the phones/with the "normal" disk... :-) )
One shouldn't be too happy too early... right after I sent the last post, the mouse went crazy again. I cleaned the contacts. I tried with the last kernel, same problem. Because I've read somewhere that it could be a graphics problem, I re-installed all Nvidia in cosole-Yast (runlvel 3), rebooted... The problem occurs since the very first moment of logging into KDE... -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
On 2022-09-17 20:45, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 17.09.22 um 20:18 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
One shouldn't be too happy too early... right after I sent the last post, the mouse went crazy again.
I cleaned the contacts. I tried with the last kernel, same problem. Because I've read somewhere that it could be a graphics problem, I re-installed all Nvidia in cosole-Yast (runlvel 3), rebooted...
The problem occurs since the very first moment of logging into KDE...
Mice are cheap. Get another one. I love mice with long cables. Alas, not in fashion, hard to find them. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2022-09-17 21:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2022-09-17 20:45, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 17.09.22 um 20:18 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
One shouldn't be too happy too early... right after I sent the last post, the mouse went crazy again.
I cleaned the contacts. I tried with the last kernel, same problem. Because I've read somewhere that it could be a graphics problem, I re-installed all Nvidia in cosole-Yast (runlvel 3), rebooted...
The problem occurs since the very first moment of logging into KDE...
Mice are cheap. Get another one.
I love mice with long cables. Alas, not in fashion, hard to find them.
Oh, wait. Not mice with long cables, but trackballs with long cables. For mice wireless is preferable. I only have a BT one without dongle, connected to a tablet; works fine. I do have one mouse with long cable for emergencies. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On Saturday, 17 September 2022 11:19:42 BST Daniel Bauer wrote:
Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes randomly. As much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use the keyboard, the gkrellm window shows activities, the radio keeps running).
I have something similar happen on my tower system occasionally, it happens when the disk is thrashing like mad, I can't load anything, not even systemmonitor, during that time to find out why the disk is thrashing away.
It starts with stagnant movement of the mouse, then it freezes completely for several seconds and then the cursor jumps to where I move it last. Then it works normal for a while, but soon starts again.
I have the problem since today (yesterday I run the updates).
I had the same problem like a month ago, but then it went away "magically" after I changed the mouse-receiver to another usb-plug, but this time it doesn't help...
Of course I changed the battery of the mouse, I also changed to another mouse (of the same model), plugged the wireless receiver to several different usb-plugs at the computer... reboot only helps for a short while.
They are logitech wireless mouses.
inxi -SMGxx System: Host: venus Kernel: 5.3.18-150300.59.93-preempt x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.18.6 tk: Qt 5.12.7 wm: kwin_x11 dm: SDDM Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3 Machine: Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: Z590 AORUS PRO AX v: -CF serial: <superuser/root required> Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z590 AORUS PRO AX serial: <superuser/root required> BIOS: American Megatrends LLC. v: F9a date: 01/24/2022 Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Ti] vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: nvidia v: 470.141.03 bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:2482 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa alternate: nv resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz s-dpi: 93 OpenGL: renderer: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 470.141.03 direct render: Yes
I looked at /var/log/messages, but I cant figure out what could hint to mouse problems (due to my lack of knowledge of what to look for).
Any hints what I could search for, what I could do?
Thanks!
-- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
-- opensuse:tumbleweed:20220915 Qt: 5.15.5 KDE Frameworks: 5.98.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.25.5 - kwin 5.25.5 kmail2 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - akonadiserver 5.21.1 (22.08.1) - Kernel: 5.19.8-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.17
It appears to be a KDE issue with Wayland. I'm having the same problem. It appears KDE and Wayland combo is not ready for prime time. Has nothing to do with any hardware. On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 3:19 AM Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> wrote:
Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes randomly. As much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use the keyboard, the gkrellm window shows activities, the radio keeps running).
It starts with stagnant movement of the mouse, then it freezes completely for several seconds and then the cursor jumps to where I move it last. Then it works normal for a while, but soon starts again.
I have the problem since today (yesterday I run the updates).
I had the same problem like a month ago, but then it went away "magically" after I changed the mouse-receiver to another usb-plug, but this time it doesn't help...
Of course I changed the battery of the mouse, I also changed to another mouse (of the same model), plugged the wireless receiver to several different usb-plugs at the computer... reboot only helps for a short while.
They are logitech wireless mouses.
inxi -SMGxx System: Host: venus Kernel: 5.3.18-150300.59.93-preempt x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.18.6 tk: Qt 5.12.7 wm: kwin_x11 dm: SDDM Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3 Machine: Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: Z590 AORUS PRO AX v: -CF serial: <superuser/root required> Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z590 AORUS PRO AX serial: <superuser/root required> BIOS: American Megatrends LLC. v: F9a date: 01/24/2022 Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Ti] vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: nvidia v: 470.141.03 bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:2482 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa alternate: nv resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz s-dpi: 93 OpenGL: renderer: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 470.141.03 direct render: Yes
I looked at /var/log/messages, but I cant figure out what could hint to mouse problems (due to my lack of knowledge of what to look for).
Any hints what I could search for, what I could do?
Thanks!
-- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
So I switched back to X11 and soon got a message that nouveau locked up the GPU. On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 4:23 PM Chuck Davis <cjgunzel@gmail.com> wrote:
It appears to be a KDE issue with Wayland. I'm having the same problem. It appears KDE and Wayland combo is not ready for prime time. Has nothing to do with any hardware.
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 3:19 AM Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> wrote:
Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes randomly. As much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use the keyboard, the gkrellm window shows activities, the radio keeps running).
It starts with stagnant movement of the mouse, then it freezes completely for several seconds and then the cursor jumps to where I move it last. Then it works normal for a while, but soon starts again.
I have the problem since today (yesterday I run the updates).
I had the same problem like a month ago, but then it went away "magically" after I changed the mouse-receiver to another usb-plug, but this time it doesn't help...
Of course I changed the battery of the mouse, I also changed to another mouse (of the same model), plugged the wireless receiver to several different usb-plugs at the computer... reboot only helps for a short while.
They are logitech wireless mouses.
inxi -SMGxx System: Host: venus Kernel: 5.3.18-150300.59.93-preempt x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.18.6 tk: Qt 5.12.7 wm: kwin_x11 dm: SDDM Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3 Machine: Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: Z590 AORUS PRO AX v: -CF serial: <superuser/root required> Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z590 AORUS PRO AX serial: <superuser/root required> BIOS: American Megatrends LLC. v: F9a date: 01/24/2022 Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Ti] vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: nvidia v: 470.141.03 bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:2482 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa alternate: nv resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz s-dpi: 93 OpenGL: renderer: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 470.141.03 direct render: Yes
I looked at /var/log/messages, but I cant figure out what could hint to mouse problems (due to my lack of knowledge of what to look for).
Any hints what I could search for, what I could do?
Thanks!
-- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
* Chuck Davis <cjgunzel@gmail.com> [09-18-22 19:24]:
It appears to be a KDE issue with Wayland. I'm having the same problem. It appears KDE and Wayland combo is not ready for prime time. Has nothing to do with any hardware.
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 3:19 AM Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> wrote:
Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes randomly. As much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use the keyboard, the gkrellm window shows activities, the radio keeps running).
It starts with stagnant movement of the mouse, then it freezes completely for several seconds and then the cursor jumps to where I move it last. Then it works normal for a while, but soon starts again.
I have the problem since today (yesterday I run the updates).
I had the same problem like a month ago, but then it went away "magically" after I changed the mouse-receiver to another usb-plug, but this time it doesn't help...
Of course I changed the battery of the mouse, I also changed to another mouse (of the same model), plugged the wireless receiver to several different usb-plugs at the computer... reboot only helps for a short while.
They are logitech wireless mouses.
inxi -SMGxx System: Host: venus Kernel: 5.3.18-150300.59.93-preempt x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.5.0 Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.18.6 tk: Qt 5.12.7 wm: kwin_x11 dm: SDDM Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.3 Machine: Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: Z590 AORUS PRO AX v: -CF serial: <superuser/root required> Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z590 AORUS PRO AX serial: <superuser/root required> BIOS: American Megatrends LLC. v: F9a date: 01/24/2022 Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GA104 [GeForce RTX 3070 Ti] vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: nvidia v: 470.141.03 bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:2482 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa alternate: nv resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz s-dpi: 93 OpenGL: renderer: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 470.141.03 direct render: Yes
I looked at /var/log/messages, but I cant figure out what could hint to mouse problems (due to my lack of knowledge of what to look for).
Any hints what I could search for, what I could do?
Thanks!
-- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
I don't believe Daniel is using wayland as it is not color controlled and Daniel is a photographer and would need color control, so X. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
On 9/18/22 20:03, Chuck Davis wrote:
So I switched back to X11 and soon got a message that nouveau locked up the GPU.
On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 4:23 PM Chuck Davis <cjgunzel@gmail.com <mailto:cjgunzel@gmail.com>> wrote:
It appears to be a KDE issue with Wayland. I'm having the same problem. It appears KDE and Wayland combo is not ready for prime time. Has nothing to do with any hardware.
This is why you don't top-post.... That said, I suspect the issue is related to this or some similar issue. If you had wayland and went back to X, you will likely need to reinstall the parts of KDE that support X instead of wayland (or at least delete the sysconfig cache). The same would go for the noveau driver -- I don't use either, but would think that both noveau and kde would set config options based on whether X or wayland was being used. (ideally they should seamlessly adapt to whatever is present -- but I wouldn't bet on it) Someone who knows more about the dependencies there will have to chime in and provide a more definite answer. There was another ancient issue with wireless mice not playing nicely with USB3. (that's been more than a decade ago) Wireless mice instructions used to specify using USB2 and avoiding USB3 for whatever bus timing issues that presented to the older wireless mouse drivers. That has long since been fixed, but nothing prevents a regression from sneaking into either the driver or the kernel side. As a test, if you have USB2 available -- even on the back of the computer -- try plugging the mouse receiver in there. (probably won't make a difference -- but will eliminate one possible issue) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Am 17.09.22 um 20:45 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Am 17.09.22 um 20:18 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Am 17.09.22 um 19:20 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> [09-17-22 13:08]:
* Daniel Bauer <linux@daniel-bauer.com> [09-17-22 10:50]:
Am 17.09.22 um 13:59 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
On 2022-09-17 12:19, Daniel Bauer wrote: > Hello, since today I have a big problem with my mouse. It freezes > randomly. As much as I can see, only the mouse freezes (I can use > the keyboard, the gkrellm window shows activities, the radio keeps > running). > > It starts with stagnant movement of the mouse, then it freezes > completely for several seconds and then the cursor jumps to where I > move it last. Then it works normal for a while, but soon starts > again. > > I have the problem since today (yesterday I run the updates). > > I had the same problem like a month ago, but then it went away > "magically" after I changed the mouse-receiver to another usb-plug, > but this time it doesn't help... > > Of course I changed the battery of the mouse, I also changed to > another mouse (of the same model), plugged the wireless receiver to > several different usb-plugs at the computer... reboot only helps for > a short while. > > They are logitech wireless mouses.
Can you try to plug the mouse on another computer?
Both mouses work on a laptop running 15.2. On the other hand I am not 100% sure because the problem occurs randomly... Still, it would be strange if the same problem occurs in the same moment with two different mouse of different age...
Or boot your computer with a live system, to see if it is hardware or software.
It is complicated because the problem doesn't occur immediately.
Right now - I left the computer without using for approx. two hours - the mouse works normal, while before I couldn't do anything that requires the mouse...
I have the feeling (only the feeling) that it could be related to the use of the GIMP with several windows open. But I am not sure.
I thought, maybe the system is swapping, but it wasn't, I checked.
Another suspicion I have is that it could be related to an ssh disk I was using for the images I edited in Gimp. Again, only a guts feeling. Don't know how I could find out...
clean battery poles/contacts and/or try a new battery.
maybe move radio to a more accessable position. (it is internet radio running in a browser window)
since my last mail I am working in Gimp and the mouse works...
Indeed I had two mobile phones laying on the table right to the side of the mouse pad.
I also moved the files from that ssd to another disk.
So right now I don't know, if it is a coincidence, or if it has to do with the phones or with the ssd.
I'll continue to work for approx. an hour. Tomorrow I'll test again after rebooting. If it's still ok, I'll first try for a while with the phones next to the mouse, and if this doesn't disturb it, I'll try again with files on the ssd.
I hope I'll find out with that. I'll keep you updated, but it will take a day or two to hopefully exclude coincidences...
(I'll clean the poles in the mouse after those tests or if it starts to make problems again without the phones/with the "normal" disk... :-) )
One shouldn't be too happy too early... right after I sent the last post, the mouse went crazy again.
I cleaned the contacts. I tried with the last kernel, same problem. Because I've read somewhere that it could be a graphics problem, I re-installed all Nvidia in cosole-Yast (runlvel 3), rebooted...
The problem occurs since the very first moment of logging into KDE...
So, on Sunday I went to the next Chinese shop (they are always open) and bought a 5€-cable-mouse. It worked perfectly, apart of that it makes a lot of noise, clicks hard and the wheel feels as if it wouldn't really love to be turned... Today I received a new cabled Logitech silent mouse. It also works perfect and my problems have disappeared (knock on wood). I don't know if actually both my wireless mouses (mice, sorry) got defective at the same moment, or if the system has a problem with them. For the moment I am happy with the cabled mouse. I don't know yet if I stay with it, it's nice not to have to use batteries... -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Málaga https://www.patreon.com/danielbauer https://www.daniel-bauer.com
On 2022-09-20 14:18, Daniel Bauer wrote:
Am 17.09.22 um 20:45 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Am 17.09.22 um 20:18 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
Am 17.09.22 um 19:20 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
* Patrick Shanahan <> [09-17-22 13:08]:
* Daniel Bauer <> [09-17-22 10:50]:
Am 17.09.22 um 13:59 schrieb Carlos E. R.: > On 2022-09-17 12:19, Daniel Bauer wrote:
...
One shouldn't be too happy too early... right after I sent the last post, the mouse went crazy again.
I cleaned the contacts. I tried with the last kernel, same problem. Because I've read somewhere that it could be a graphics problem, I re-installed all Nvidia in cosole-Yast (runlvel 3), rebooted...
The problem occurs since the very first moment of logging into KDE...
So, on Sunday I went to the next Chinese shop (they are always open) and bought a 5€-cable-mouse. It worked perfectly, apart of that it makes a lot of noise, clicks hard and the wheel feels as if it wouldn't really love to be turned...
Today I received a new cabled Logitech silent mouse. It also works perfect and my problems have disappeared (knock on wood).
I don't know if actually both my wireless mouses (mice, sorry) got defective at the same moment, or if the system has a problem with them.
For the moment I am happy with the cabled mouse. I don't know yet if I stay with it, it's nice not to have to use batteries...
BT can suffer from interference. I have a loudspeaker for my tablet and a headphone for the same: depending on location, they suffer interruptions. A pair of tiny headphones I got as a present, same, even when I'm walking on a road on a forest. I got a cheap smartwatch (Mi-6) which communicates with my phone via BT. One day, it vibrated signalling a phone call. Huh? I had disabled that feature. And my phone was out of range on another room. I picked my phone, and there was no call. Today, with my phone out of range again, it said it needed an update (it can not get updates on its own, it needs connect to the phone). My guess, is it is spurious communication with my neighbour. (I think wireless mice and keyboards with dongles also use BT frequencies and perhaps technology). -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2022-09-20 07:46:01 Carlos E. R. wrote:
|BT can suffer from interference. | |I have a loudspeaker for my tablet and a headphone for the same: |depending on location, they suffer interruptions. A pair of tiny |headphones I got as a present, same, even when I'm walking on a road on |a forest. | |I got a cheap smartwatch (Mi-6) which communicates with my phone via BT. |One day, it vibrated signalling a phone call. Huh? I had disabled that |feature. And my phone was out of range on another room. I picked my |phone, and there was no call. Today, with my phone out of range again, |it said it needed an update (it can not get updates on its own, it needs |connect to the phone). My guess, is it is spurious communication with my |neighbour. | | |(I think wireless mice and keyboards with dongles also use BT |frequencies and perhaps technology). | |-- |Cheers / Saludos, | | Carlos E. R. | (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
I'm pretty sure that most Logitech mice and keyboards don't use BlueTooth. I know for sure that mine don't, because BlueTooth isn't running on my computer. (I have a BlueTooth keyboard that I got a couple of years ago so that I could get rid of the one connected to my Mac, but it was always dropping its pairing, and guess what? To pair it again required a connected keyboard! So it's effectively useless. Also, at that time, the SuSE implementation of BlueTooth didn't seem to want to work with anything but speakers, so that made it definitely useless. Unless you have a wireless mouse or keyboard that explicitly says it uses BlueTooth, it probably doesn't. Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 x86_64
On 2022-09-20 20:22, J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2022-09-20 07:46:01 Carlos E. R. wrote:
|BT can suffer from interference. | |I have a loudspeaker for my tablet and a headphone for the same: |depending on location, they suffer interruptions. A pair of tiny |headphones I got as a present, same, even when I'm walking on a road on |a forest. | |I got a cheap smartwatch (Mi-6) which communicates with my phone via BT. |One day, it vibrated signalling a phone call. Huh? I had disabled that |feature. And my phone was out of range on another room. I picked my |phone, and there was no call. Today, with my phone out of range again, |it said it needed an update (it can not get updates on its own, it needs |connect to the phone). My guess, is it is spurious communication with my |neighbour. | | |(I think wireless mice and keyboards with dongles also use BT |frequencies and perhaps technology).
I'm pretty sure that most Logitech mice and keyboards don't use BlueTooth. I know for sure that mine don't, because BlueTooth isn't running on my computer.
That doesn't matter, the dongle can run BT transparently. No drivers needed. Or, they can use the same frequency band and similar technology, thus prone to similar interference.
(I have a BlueTooth keyboard that I got a couple of years ago so that I could get rid of the one connected to my Mac, but it was always dropping its pairing, and guess what? To pair it again required a connected keyboard! So it's effectively useless. Also, at that time, the SuSE implementation of BlueTooth didn't seem to want to work with anything but speakers, so that made it definitely useless. Unless you have a wireless mouse or keyboard that explicitly says it uses BlueTooth, it probably doesn't.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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