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Oddball

6 Dec 2010 6 Dec '10

12:12

Hi list, I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it? tia, Rob. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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C

6 Dec 6 Dec

12:35

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 13:12, Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

Assuming you've already emptied your trash in whatever desktop environ you're using.. have you poked your /tmp? That can fill up with debris of failed downloads, extracted files, flash videos you've watched etc. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

phanisvara

12:58

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 18:05:36 +0530, C wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 13:12, Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

Assuming you've already emptied your trash in whatever desktop environ you're using.. have you poked your /tmp? That can fill up with debris of failed downloads, extracted files, flash videos you've watched etc.

in case you're running MySQL, that also creates a lot of binary backups of transactions. once i had several GB of such backups that weren't required. you find them in /var/lib/mysql, named mysql-bin.xxxxxx. unless you have important DBs on your machine and need the option to roll back transactions, they can be deleted. (once i deleted those bin-files, MySQL wouldn't start anymore until i deleted mysql-bin.index as well, which was then recreated.) -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

13:37

This is one area where the CLI can do things that GUI cannot. Try commands like "du", "df" and the options for "ls" like "-a" and "-s". I'd also check to see if your 'mount' operations are hiding files. For example, a mount of a /tmp/ file system - which is normally a good thing for various reasons, may hide temporary files created in the boot sequence (or for some other reason) before the /tmp/ was mounted. Remember, if you have copied a sparse file with some tools it may have created the previously absent blocks. -- An expert is someone who knows some of the worst mistakes that can be made in his subject and how to avoid them. --Werner Heisenberg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Holger Hetterich

13:43

Am Montag, den 06.12.2010, 08:37 -0500 schrieb Anton Aylward:

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This is one area where the CLI can do things that GUI cannot.

Try commands like "du", "df" and the options for "ls" like "-a" and "-s".

There's baobab on GNOME and I believe kdirstat or similar on KDE. Those give a graphical representation of the used disc space.

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I'd also check to see if your 'mount' operations are hiding files. For example, a mount of a /tmp/ file system - which is normally a good thing for various reasons, may hide temporary files created in the boot sequence (or for some other reason) before the /tmp/ was mounted.

I've set delete TMP dirs on boot in sysconfig, cleaning up my temp dir from time to time. Holger

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Remember, if you have copied a sparse file with some tools it may have created the previously absent blocks.

-- An expert is someone who knows some of the worst mistakes that can be made in his subject and how to avoid them. --Werner Heisenberg

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Anton Aylward

14:09

Holger Hetterich said the following on 12/06/2010 08:43 AM:

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I'd also check to see if your 'mount' operations are hiding files. For example, a mount of a /tmp/ file system - which is normally a good thing for various reasons, may hide temporary files created in the boot sequence (or for some other reason) before the /tmp/ was mounted.

I've set delete TMP dirs on boot in sysconfig, cleaning up my temp dir from time to time.

Yes, but that wasn't what I was talking about. EVERY mounted file system _could_ be hiding files or directories, not just /tmp/ And Hey, don't let the boarder guards know ;-) -- Information is the currency of democracy. --Thomas Jefferson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Holger Hetterich

14:17

Am Montag, den 06.12.2010, 09:09 -0500 schrieb Anton Aylward:

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Holger Hetterich said the following on 12/06/2010 08:43 AM:

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I'd also check to see if your 'mount' operations are hiding files. For example, a mount of a /tmp/ file system - which is normally a good thing for various reasons, may hide temporary files created in the boot sequence (or for some other reason) before the /tmp/ was mounted.

I've set delete TMP dirs on boot in sysconfig, cleaning up my temp dir from time to time.

Yes, but that wasn't what I was talking about.

EVERY mounted file system _could_ be hiding files or directories, not just /tmp/

Argh, I was typing too fast, sorry. My statement about deleting the temp dir on boot was not meant to refer to your note. It was just meant as an add on to the tipps given in the thread. Holger -- Holger Hetterich, hhetter@novell.com, SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hans Witvliet

15:36

On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 08:37 -0500, Anton Aylward wrote:

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This is one area where the CLI can do things that GUI cannot.

Try commands like "du", "df" and the options for "ls" like "-a" and "-s".

I'd also check to see if your 'mount' operations are hiding files. For example, a mount of a /tmp/ file system - which is normally a good thing for various reasons, may hide temporary files created in the boot sequence (or for some other reason) before the /tmp/ was mounted.

Remember, if you have copied a sparse file with some tools it may have created the previously absent blocks.

Sometimes these tools are still misleading. You can delete a number of huge files under (for instance) /var/log, but still dob't see the available diskspace increasing. In those cases, there is still a program that has those fies open. In my case is was the notious "tail -f" of a large logfile. After restarting the tail, available diskspace was calculated as expected correcty. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

dwgallien

14:56

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On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 13:12, Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

Assuming you've already emptied your trash in whatever desktop environ you're using.. have you poked your /tmp? That can fill up with debris of failed downloads, extracted files, flash videos you've watched etc.

C.

A cron job runs regularly to clean out this directory, based upon a retention time sysconfig option that can be set in the YaST editor. Additional directories can also be configured. Kdirstat will give you a nice detailed list of everything on disk, but AFAIK it has not been ported to KDE 4. (You can still install it under KDE 4 but that will also pull in some of the KDE 3 libraries.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

15:47

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On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 13:12, Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

Assuming you've already emptied your trash in whatever desktop environ you're using.. have you poked your /tmp? That can fill up with debris of failed downloads, extracted files, flash videos you've watched etc.

i cannot find my trashcan :-/ , and my conqueror crashes when i enter

Op 06-12-10 15:56, dwgallien schreef: trash:/ in the location bar... (no, i did not file a bugreport yet) so...

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C.

A cron job runs regularly to clean out this directory, based upon a retention time sysconfig option that can be set in the YaST editor. Additional directories can also be configured.

Kdirstat will give you a nice detailed list of everything on disk, but AFAIK it has not been ported to KDE 4. (You can still install it under KDE 4 but that will also pull in some of the KDE 3 libraries.)

First of all: Thnx for this many responses to my question, it warms my heart.. :-) My mistake also was not to tell that i have several seperate partitions for "/"(various numbered installs) , /tmp, boot, as also the belonging /homes...ehr.. The problem is only at the /home of my 11.3 install, which is 5GB. I can not figure out what takes this space, as i allready cleaned up the big files like netinstall iso's a.s. I looked at all the other files and added up: from my accounts there should be about 1,5 - 1,8GB spare room, the sys tells me there is only 197MB.... large difference.... That is why i wonder what eats that space! I had hoped a tool like Kdirstat, or alike would be around, without kde3 libs needed, only to support that app.. sorry if i put you, my helpers, on the wrong foot, and appologise for that... ( i hope you'll still help me.... :-s Rob. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Tejas Guruswamy

15:50

On 06/12/10 15:47, Oddball wrote:

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Op 06-12-10 15:56, dwgallien schreef:

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On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 13:12, Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

Assuming you've already emptied your trash in whatever desktop environ you're using.. have you poked your /tmp? That can fill up with debris of failed downloads, extracted files, flash videos you've watched etc.

i cannot find my trashcan :-/ , and my conqueror crashes when i enter trash:/ in the location bar... (no, i did not file a bugreport yet) so...

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C.

A cron job runs regularly to clean out this directory, based upon a retention time sysconfig option that can be set in the YaST editor. Additional directories can also be configured.

Kdirstat will give you a nice detailed list of everything on disk, but AFAIK it has not been ported to KDE 4. (You can still install it under KDE 4 but that will also pull in some of the KDE 3 libraries.)

First of all: Thnx for this many responses to my question, it warms my heart.. :-)

My mistake also was not to tell that i have several seperate partitions for "/"(various numbered installs) , /tmp, boot, as also the belonging /homes...ehr..

The problem is only at the /home of my 11.3 install, which is 5GB. I can not figure out what takes this space, as i allready cleaned up the big files like netinstall iso's a.s. I looked at all the other files and added up: from my accounts there should be about 1,5 - 1,8GB spare room, the sys tells me there is only 197MB.... large difference.... That is why i wonder what eats that space!

I had hoped a tool like Kdirstat, or alike would be around, without kde3 libs needed, only to support that app..

sorry if i put you, my helpers, on the wrong foot, and appologise for that... ( i hope you'll still help me.... :-s

Rob.

Try filelight, it's been ported to kde4 (and I find it easier to use than kdirstat was). Its available in KDE:Extra and openSUSE:Contrib. Regards Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

15:57

Op 06-12-10 16:50, Tejas Guruswamy schreef:

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On 06/12/10 15:47, Oddball wrote:

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Op 06-12-10 15:56, dwgallien schreef:

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On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 13:12, Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

Assuming you've already emptied your trash in whatever desktop environ you're using.. have you poked your /tmp? That can fill up with debris of failed downloads, extracted files, flash videos you've watched etc.

i cannot find my trashcan :-/ , and my conqueror crashes when i enter trash:/ in the location bar... (no, i did not file a bugreport yet) so...

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C.

A cron job runs regularly to clean out this directory, based upon a retention time sysconfig option that can be set in the YaST editor. Additional directories can also be configured.

Kdirstat will give you a nice detailed list of everything on disk, but AFAIK it has not been ported to KDE 4. (You can still install it under KDE 4 but that will also pull in some of the KDE 3 libraries.)

First of all: Thnx for this many responses to my question, it warms my heart.. :-)

My mistake also was not to tell that i have several seperate partitions for "/"(various numbered installs) , /tmp, boot, as also the belonging /homes...ehr..

The problem is only at the /home of my 11.3 install, which is 5GB. I can not figure out what takes this space, as i allready cleaned up the big files like netinstall iso's a.s. I looked at all the other files and added up: from my accounts there should be about 1,5 - 1,8GB spare room, the sys tells me there is only 197MB.... large difference.... That is why i wonder what eats that space!

I had hoped a tool like Kdirstat, or alike would be around, without kde3 libs needed, only to support that app..

sorry if i put you, my helpers, on the wrong foot, and appologise for that... ( i hope you'll still help me.... :-s

Rob.

Try filelight, it's been ported to kde4 (and I find it easier to use than kdirstat was). Its available in KDE:Extra and openSUSE:Contrib.

Regards Tejas

Thnx for all the answers, i do not want to insult anybody by not answering every mail individualy, i hope you'll all understand, and accept my sincere thnx this way... I'll try filelight... I will post an update when the problem is solved, (or not solved.... ;-) Rob. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

C

15:58

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 16:47, Oddball wrote:

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i cannot find my trashcan :-/ , and my conqueror crashes when i enter trash:/ in the location bar... (no, i did not file a bugreport yet) so...

If you're using KDE4, then use Dolphin for your file manager (it's the default file manager in KDE4 anyway)... makes it really easy to find your trashcan then... it's in the file manager on the left side. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

16:14

Op 06-12-10 16:58, C schreef:

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On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 16:47, Oddball wrote:

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i cannot find my trashcan :-/ , and my conqueror crashes when i enter trash:/ in the location bar... (no, i did not file a bugreport yet) so...

If you're using KDE4, then use Dolphin for your file manager (it's the default file manager in KDE4 anyway)... makes it really easy to find your trashcan then... it's in the file manager on the left side.

C.

Well, i wished you were right about that...... I'll post a pic of my Dolphins leftside... trash:/ in tha locationbar shows 0 items, which should mean it is empty... still only 197MB freespace in the warning popup...( i can change the amount when warning me, but that doesn't solve the lowspace.... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2"

Ken Schneider - openSUSE

16:22

On 12/06/2010 10:47 AM, Oddball pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 13:12, Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

Assuming you've already emptied your trash in whatever desktop environ you're using.. have you poked your /tmp? That can fill up with debris of failed downloads, extracted files, flash videos you've watched etc.

i cannot find my trashcan :-/ , and my conqueror crashes when i enter

Op 06-12-10 15:56, dwgallien schreef: trash:/ in the location bar... (no, i did not file a bugreport yet) so...

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C.

A cron job runs regularly to clean out this directory, based upon a retention time sysconfig option that can be set in the YaST editor. Additional directories can also be configured.

Kdirstat will give you a nice detailed list of everything on disk, but AFAIK it has not been ported to KDE 4. (You can still install it under KDE 4 but that will also pull in some of the KDE 3 libraries.)

First of all: Thnx for this many responses to my question, it warms my heart.. :-)

My mistake also was not to tell that i have several seperate partitions for "/"(various numbered installs) , /tmp, boot, as also the belonging /homes...ehr..

The problem is only at the /home of my 11.3 install, which is 5GB. I can not figure out what takes this space, as i allready cleaned up the big files like netinstall iso's a.s. I looked at all the other files and added up: from my accounts there should be about 1,5 - 1,8GB spare room, the sys tells me there is only 197MB.... large difference.... That is why i wonder what eats that space!

I had hoped a tool like Kdirstat, or alike would be around, without kde3 libs needed, only to support that app..

sorry if i put you, my helpers, on the wrong foot, and appologise for that... ( i hope you'll still help me.... :-s

Rob.

Since you are talking about one filesystem use something like: du -sk /home/* | sort -n The directory/file that is using the most space will be listed last, cd to that directory and run the command again (repeat as needed) until you find the culprit. Also run this for the "." files/dirs. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

16:28

Op 06-12-10 17:22, Ken Schneider - openSUSE schreef:

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Since you are talking about one filesystem use something like:

du -sk /home/* | sort -n

The directory/file that is using the most space will be listed last, cd to that directory and run the command again (repeat as needed) until you find the culprit. Also run this for the "." files/dirs.

fyi: 'toegang geweigerd' means: access denied... oddball@AMD64x2sfn1:~> du -sk /home/* du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.gnupg’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.mozilla/extensions’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.mozilla/firefox’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.thumbnails’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.config/gtk-2.0’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.kde4’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.gconfd’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.gconf’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.dbus’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.gnome2’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.local’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.thunderbird’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.kde’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.gnome2_private’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd 2412 /home/basher du: kan map ‘/home/lost+found’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd 16 /home/lost+found du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.gnupg’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.adobe’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.mozilla/extensions’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.mozilla/firefox’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.config/gtk-2.0’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.macromedia’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.kde4’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.gconfd’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.gconf’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.dbus’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.gnome2’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.local’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.gvfs’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.thunderbird’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.kde’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd du: kan map ‘/home/monkey9/.gnome2_private’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd 10272 /home/monkey9 4428200 /home/oddball oddball@AMD64x2sfn1:~> su Wachtwoord: AMD64x2sfn1:/home/oddball # du -sk /home/* 52096 /home/basher 16 /home/lost+found 128160 /home/monkey9 du: kan geen toegang krijgen tot ‘/home/oddball/.gvfs’: Toegang geweigerd 4428200 /home/oddball AMD64x2sfn1:/home/oddball # -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

21:25

Oddball said the following on 12/06/2010 11:28 AM:

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Op 06-12-10 17:22, Ken Schneider - openSUSE schreef:

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Since you are talking about one filesystem use something like:

du -sk /home/* | sort -n

The directory/file that is using the most space will be listed last, cd to that directory and run the command again (repeat as needed) until you find the culprit. Also run this for the "." files/dirs.

fyi: 'toegang geweigerd' means: access denied...

oddball@AMD64x2sfn1:~> du -sk /home/* du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.gnupg’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd

That seems reasonable to me. If you are logged in as 'oddball' then of course you can't access 'basher's PGP directory. Hint: When you report something like this, also run 'id' and 'ls -l' so we know who owns the stuff and who you accessing it as. -- We'll explain the appeal of curling to you if you explain the appeal of the National Rifle Association to us. -- Andy Barrie -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

7 Dec 7 Dec

09:52

Op 06-12-10 22:25, Anton Aylward schreef:

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Oddball said the following on 12/06/2010 11:28 AM:

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Op 06-12-10 17:22, Ken Schneider - openSUSE schreef:

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Since you are talking about one filesystem use something like:

du -sk /home/* | sort -n

The directory/file that is using the most space will be listed last, cd to that directory and run the command again (repeat as needed) until you find the culprit. Also run this for the "." files/dirs.

fyi: 'toegang geweigerd' means: access denied...

oddball@AMD64x2sfn1:~> du -sk /home/* du: kan map ‘/home/basher/.gnupg’ niet lezen: Toegang geweigerd

That seems reasonable to me. If you are logged in as 'oddball' then of course you can't access 'basher's PGP directory.

Hint: When you report something like this, also run 'id' and 'ls -l' so we know who owns the stuff and who you accessing it as.

Ok, when i'll do that... I'll keep these commands in a textfile, for further reference.. thnx.. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

6 Dec 6 Dec

16:47

Oddball said the following on 12/06/2010 10:47 AM:

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The problem is only at the /home of my 11.3 install, which is 5GB. I can not figure out what takes this space, as i allready cleaned up the big files like netinstall iso's a.s. I looked at all the other files and added up: from my accounts there should be about 1,5 - 1,8GB spare room, the sys tells me there is only 197MB.... large difference.... That is why i wonder what eats that space!

The issue is HOW did you calculate that space? You seem to be using a GUI and I can't imagine my trying that exercise without using the command line. Tools like "du", and "find" can walk your file tree and identify ALL files. You could, for example, run 'find' to look for files greater than a minimum size. But before doing that I want to know if your calculations took into account the hidden files and directories: ~> du -sb .[a-z]* | sort -rn 645692104 .mozilla 612446498 .thunderbird 371059017 .kde4 362403063 .recoll 202496201 .local 134443051 .googleearth 102454517 .kde 76852935 .cache 71424414 .thumbnails 59711370 .ooo3 46967273 .webex 35418713 .fonts 23450549 .config 20822205 .gnupg 17082049 .e16 13023440 .adobe 12525824 .java .... And there's more after that! -- Gravity never loses - the best you can hope for is a draw! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

18:24

Op 06-12-10 17:47, Anton Aylward schreef:

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Oddball said the following on 12/06/2010 10:47 AM:

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The problem is only at the /home of my 11.3 install, which is 5GB. I can not figure out what takes this space, as i allready cleaned up the big files like netinstall iso's a.s. I looked at all the other files and added up: from my accounts there should be about 1,5 - 1,8GB spare room, the sys tells me there is only 197MB.... large difference.... That is why i wonder what eats that space!

The issue is HOW did you calculate that space?

You seem to be using a GUI and I can't imagine my trying that exercise without using the command line.

Tools like "du", and "find" can walk your file tree and identify ALL files. You could, for example, run 'find' to look for files greater than a minimum size.

But before doing that I want to know if your calculations took into account the hidden files and directories:

~> du -sb .[a-z]* | sort -rn 645692104 .mozilla 612446498 .thunderbird 371059017 .kde4 362403063 .recoll 202496201 .local 134443051 .googleearth 102454517 .kde 76852935 .cache 71424414 .thumbnails 59711370 .ooo3 46967273 .webex 35418713 .fonts 23450549 .config 20822205 .gnupg 17082049 .e16 13023440 .adobe 12525824 .java ....

And there's more after that!

You're right! These (hidden files/dirs) are the 'evildoers'....and indeed, i did not take those into account... These take about 4/5 of the space i was looking for.... So, i will have to expand that partition, or shrink another and mount the freecoming part on my /home. Is this possible?: to mount an extra partition behind /home? -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

dwgallien

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Op 06-12-10 17:47, Anton Aylward schreef:

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Is this possible?: to mount an extra partition behind /home?

Sure. I'm not positive whether there might be issues splitting KDE, but should not be a problem with separate applications in your list like mozilla and googleearth. There are different ways to do this. Off the top of my head, one method to group the applications on a single separate partition, would be to mount it (in fstab) to a mount point under /mnt (e.g., "/mnt/applications") adding directories for each application (e.g., "mozilla"), and then symlink these under /home/user using the exact name and directory location the application expects. That way for example when Firefox installs/updates/writes to /home/user/.mozilla, it will actually be using your partition under /mnt/applications/mozilla. This is just one way to do it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

20:31

New subject: [opensuse] How do i win some space back?[solved]

Op 06-12-10 20:21, dwgallien schreef:

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Op 06-12-10 17:47, Anton Aylward schreef:

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Is this possible?: to mount an extra partition behind /home?

Sure. I'm not positive whether there might be issues splitting KDE, but should not be a problem with separate applications in your list like mozilla and googleearth. There are different ways to do this. Off the top of my head, one method to group the applications on a single separate partition, would be to mount it (in fstab) to a mount point under /mnt (e.g., "/mnt/applications") adding directories for each application (e.g., "mozilla"), and then symlink these under /home/user using the exact name and directory location the application expects. That way for example when Firefox installs/updates/writes to /home/user/.mozilla, it will actually be using your partition under /mnt/applications/mozilla. This is just one way to do it.

Anton, and most certainly everybody that has taken the effort to look into my little problem, and provided me with an answer, I will most certainly save this suggestion for later use. As for now i just removed ~.thunderbird, and now the total files are just 1.8GB. The newly made .thunderbird is only: 5.7 MB.., which is acceptable. Before doing this i deleted all mail, with no effect at all, but i do not like a workstation i cannot control.. So the next step was inevitable.. 1) Problem solved, thnx to the interresse and help of caring volunteers: You! 2) Usefull app. recommended: Filelight: Quick small and accurate. I greatly appreciated every concern taken to try to help me, my thanks are crushing... ;-) regards, Rob. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

21:20

Oddball said the following on 12/06/2010 01:24 PM:

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So, i will have to expand that partition, or shrink another and mount the freecoming part on my /home. Is this possible?: to mount an extra partition behind /home?

Sure, why not? I have: /home/anton/Documents /home/anton/Downloads /home/anton/.thunderbird /home/anton/Media All my filesystems except root are resiser so they can easily be shrunk or grown on the LVM substrate. Over the past few years I've gown or split-and-shrunk what's under /home/anton quite a number of times. No big deal. But its no big deal because I decided to use LVM and reiser. If you didn't do that then you may have a lot of work ahead of you to do what takes me just a few minutes and is low risk. -- “Quality is such an attractive banner that sometimes we think we can get away with just waving it, without doing the hard work necessary to achieve it." – Miles Maguire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

7 Dec 7 Dec

10:01

Op 06-12-10 22:20, Anton Aylward schreef:

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Oddball said the following on 12/06/2010 01:24 PM:

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So, i will have to expand that partition, or shrink another and mount the freecoming part on my /home. Is this possible?: to mount an extra partition behind /home?

Sure, why not?

I have:

/home/anton/Documents /home/anton/Downloads /home/anton/.thunderbird /home/anton/Media

All my filesystems except root are resiser so they can easily be shrunk or grown on the LVM substrate. Over the past few years I've gown or split-and-shrunk what's under /home/anton quite a number of times. No big deal.

But its no big deal because I decided to use LVM and reiser. If you didn't do that then you may have a lot of work ahead of you to do what takes me just a few minutes and is low risk.

Yeah, reiser i used until the prison, and supporting of ext3 and 4. LVM i never got. And to create it with an already in use system is impossible, you have to start over from scratch.. Unfortunately it seems to be impossible to build a partitioning tool that can write and carry out batch files, like partionmagic....than there would be no troubles at all...The partitioner just has to perform the tasks before startup, before mount...but helas..nobody seems to be able to build one... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

14:07

Oddball said the following on 12/07/2010 05:01 AM:

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All my filesystems except root are resiser so they can easily be shrunk or grown on the LVM substrate. Over the past few years I've gown or split-and-shrunk what's under /home/anton quite a number of times. No big deal.

But its no big deal because I decided to use LVM and reiser. If you didn't do that then you may have a lot of work ahead of you to do what takes me just a few minutes and is low risk.

Yeah, reiser i used until the prison, and supporting of ext3 and 4.

??? The code is still there and still good. The crimes of the author have noting to do with the code quality. In this context - growing and shrinking file systems - its the best we have. It works and its robust.

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LVM i never got. And to create it with an already in use system is impossible, you have to start over from scratch..

That's what I thought until I found out how to do it. Go google. LVM is wonderful; it is so liberating. Worst case, add another drive and make it part of the group!

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Unfortunately it seems to be impossible to build a partitioning tool that can write and carry out batch files, like partionmagic....than there would be no troubles at all...The partitioner just has to perform the tasks before startup, before mount...but helas..nobody seems to be able to build one...

It's not impossible;e since PartitionMagic _has_ done that. :-) In fact why not use PM? There's nothing that says If you read http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ you will see <quote> Mission Statement The goal of GParted is to provide an easy way to graphically manage disk device partitions, without unintended loss of data, through the use of GNU libparted and other free software file system tools. </quote> Perhaps that means it can preserve the FS as it moves a partition? Perhaps http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php shows that the tools exist for some operations, but moving a partition? Articles like http://gparted.sourceforge.net/larry/tips/gfs.htm seem to indicate you can, but has anyone done this with the Linux file systems? -- The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities...It is best to win without fighting. Sun-tzu, The Art of War. Planning a Siege -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

8 Dec 8 Dec

12:17

Op 07-12-10 15:07, Anton Aylward schreef:

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Oddball said the following on 12/07/2010 05:01 AM:

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All my filesystems except root are resiser so they can easily be shrunk or grown on the LVM substrate. Over the past few years I've gown or split-and-shrunk what's under /home/anton quite a number of times. No big deal.

But its no big deal because I decided to use LVM and reiser. If you didn't do that then you may have a lot of work ahead of you to do what takes me just a few minutes and is low risk.

Yeah, reiser i used until the prison, and supporting of ext3 and 4.

??? The code is still there and still good. The crimes of the author have noting to do with the code quality. In this context - growing and shrinking file systems - its the best we have. It works and its robust.

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LVM i never got. And to create it with an already in use system is impossible, you have to start over from scratch..

That's what I thought until I found out how to do it. Go google.

LVM is wonderful; it is so liberating. Worst case, add another drive and make it part of the group!

Well you know, don't repair what is not broken, and what the farmer doesn't know, he doesn't eat.. But you made me want to examine this further....

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Unfortunately it seems to be impossible to build a partitioning tool that can write and carry out batch files, like partionmagic....than there would be no troubles at all...The partitioner just has to perform the tasks before startup, before mount...but helas..nobody seems to be able to build one...

It's not impossible;e since PartitionMagic _has_ done that. :-) In fact why not use PM? There's nothing that says

If you read http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ you will see

I downloaded and burnt the latest (test) Live version... There is written that it : GParted is developed on x86 based computers using GNU/Linux. It can be used on other operating systems, such as Windows or Mac OS X, by booting from media containing GParted Live. How does that react on a x86_64 system, which mine here is...

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<quote> Mission Statement

The goal of GParted is to provide an easy way to graphically manage disk device partitions, without unintended loss of data, through the use of GNU libparted and other free software file system tools. </quote>

Perhaps that means it can preserve the FS as it moves a partition? Perhaps http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php shows that the tools exist for some operations, but moving a partition? Articles like http://gparted.sourceforge.net/larry/tips/gfs.htm seem to indicate you can, but has anyone done this with the Linux file systems?

The advice is to backup the entire disk first with a diskimage tool... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

12:29

Oddball said the following on 12/08/2010 07:17 AM:

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The advice is to backup the entire disk first with a diskimage tool...

Tell me that PartitionMagic, that registry repair tools and much else don't give that advice too? Nothing is idiot (or twisted fingers) proof. What it DOESN'T say is that it works by backing up your FS, moving the partition, doing a new MKFS and a restore from backup. -- It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. -- Frank Herbert, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

12:41

Op 08-12-10 13:29, Anton Aylward schreef:

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Oddball said the following on 12/08/2010 07:17 AM:

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The advice is to backup the entire disk first with a diskimage tool...

Tell me that PartitionMagic, that registry repair tools and much else don't give that advice too?

Offcourse they do..;-)

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Nothing is idiot (or twisted fingers) proof.

What it DOESN'T say is that it works by backing up your FS, moving the partition, doing a new MKFS and a restore from backup.

No it will work, but in case something goes wrong, you can put back the image... With PM, you only can place your back-up in exactly the same size space, which does not help much, but if on another place on the disk, you can expand the room afterwards, ti, if thought ahead, which in such a case is totaly nessesary... ;-) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dave Howorth

7 Dec 7 Dec

10:27

Anton Aylward wrote:

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Oddball said the following on 12/06/2010 01:24 PM:

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So, i will have to expand that partition, or shrink another and mount the freecoming part on my /home. Is this possible?: to mount an extra partition behind /home?

Sure, why not?

I have:

/home/anton/Documents /home/anton/Downloads /home/anton/.thunderbird /home/anton/Media

All my filesystems except root are resiser so they can easily be shrunk or grown on the LVM substrate. Over the past few years I've gown or split-and-shrunk what's under /home/anton quite a number of times. No big deal.

But its no big deal because I decided to use LVM and reiser. If you didn't do that then you may have a lot of work ahead of you to do what takes me just a few minutes and is low risk.

+1 I do this. Some of the subdirectories are NFS-mounted as well so I see the same things wherever I log in. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

14:28

Dave Howorth said the following on 12/07/2010 05:27 AM:

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Anton Aylward wrote:

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All my filesystems except root are resiser so they can easily be shrunk or grown on the LVM substrate. Over the past few years I've gown or split-and-shrunk what's under /home/anton quite a number of times. No big deal.

But its no big deal because I decided to use LVM and reiser. If you didn't do that then you may have a lot of work ahead of you to do what takes me just a few minutes and is low risk.

+1

I do this. Some of the subdirectories are NFS-mounted as well so I see the same things wherever I log in.

Oh, right, I forgot to mention that. Having an old "Salvation Army Special" whose only job is to act as a file server for my workstation is a joy. It is also one way to free up space; in fact its one way to free up partitions so you can build LVM. No! Wait! Its one way you can build a diskless workstation! A bit of help from DNS, DHCP and PXE ... voilà. See google for details :-) (And yes I've tried it.) -- The two pillars of `political correctness' are, a) wilful ignorance, and b) a steadfast refusal to face the truth -- George MacDonald Fraser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

8 Dec 8 Dec

11:36

Op 07-12-10 15:28, Anton Aylward schreef:

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Dave Howorth said the following on 12/07/2010 05:27 AM:

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Anton Aylward wrote:

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All my filesystems except root are resiser so they can easily be shrunk or grown on the LVM substrate. Over the past few years I've gown or split-and-shrunk what's under /home/anton quite a number of times. No big deal.

But its no big deal because I decided to use LVM and reiser. If you didn't do that then you may have a lot of work ahead of you to do what takes me just a few minutes and is low risk.

+1

I do this. Some of the subdirectories are NFS-mounted as well so I see the same things wherever I log in.

Oh, right, I forgot to mention that. Having an old "Salvation Army Special" whose only job is to act as a file server for my workstation is a joy.

Cool, maybe when x-mas comes around i'll find some time for it, if still nessesary... Everything is ok again now.. ;-)

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It is also one way to free up space; in fact its one way to free up partitions so you can build LVM.

No! Wait! Its one way you can build a diskless workstation! A bit of help from DNS, DHCP and PXE ... voilà. See google for details :-) (And yes I've tried it.)

or put some harddrives to it to get more space, terrabyte usb drives, you name it... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

dave stern - e-mail.pluribus.unum

6 Dec 6 Dec

16:17

Even after freeing up large files, a host can still appear to be full. Some apps keep files open. You may need to reboot to realize disk savings On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:35 AM, C wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 13:12, Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

Assuming you've already emptied your trash in whatever desktop environ you're using.. have you poked your /tmp? That can fill up with debris of failed downloads, extracted files, flash videos you've watched etc.

C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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phanisvara das

13:04

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 17:42:13 +0530, Oddball wrote:

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If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin?

deleted with shift + del, files are really gone and you can't easily recover them; often not at all. the file contents isn't over-written immediately, but the entries removed from the allocation table, means the system doesn't know about them anymore and will overwrite the space as soon as it's convenient.

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If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

if you don't have a recycle bin icon on your desktop, you'll find it by typing "trash:/" into konqueror (run as your normal user, not root). once you delte everything in there, it's really gone. -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

ianseeks＠dsl.pipex.com

16:21

On Monday 06 Dec 2010 12:12:13 Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

tia,

Rob. Here are a couple of links that show how a script can search for files of a certain size

http://www.jarrodgoddard.com/linux-web-hosting/a-bash-script-to-find-large- files-on-a-linux-server http://www.unixtutorial.org/2008/03/find-large-files-and-directories/ Hope they help you. Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

16:29

Op 06-12-10 17:21, ianseeks@dsl.pipex.com schreef:

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On Monday 06 Dec 2010 12:12:13 Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

tia,

Rob.

Here are a couple of links that show how a script can search for files of a certain size

http://www.jarrodgoddard.com/linux-web-hosting/a-bash-script-to-find-large- files-on-a-linux-server

http://www.unixtutorial.org/2008/03/find-large-files-and-directories/

Hope they help you.

Ian

will try, thnx... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

ianseeks＠dsl.pipex.com

7 Dec 7 Dec

07:54

On Monday 06 Dec 2010 16:29:46 Oddball wrote:

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Op 06-12-10 17:21, ianseeks@dsl.pipex.com schreef:

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On Monday 06 Dec 2010 12:12:13 Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

tia,

Rob.

Here are a couple of links that show how a script can search for files of a certain size

http://www.jarrodgoddard.com/linux-web-hosting/a-bash-script-to-find-larg e- files-on-a-linux-server

http://www.unixtutorial.org/2008/03/find-large-files-and-directories/

Hope they help you.

Ian

will try, thnx... Here's the commands i used:-

cd .kde4/share/apps/nepomuk qdbus org.kde.NepomukServer /nepomukserver quit mv nepomuk OLD_nepomuk nepomukserver & This made kmail run a lot quicker for a while but it did slowely degrade again. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

6 Dec 6 Dec

17:36

On 12/06/2010 06:12 AM, Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

tia,

Rob.

Rob, In kde, run 'kdirstat' and then choose the directory you want to investigate (you can choose an entire partition). kdirstat will then scan the directory tree and give you a prioritized summary of where your disk space has gone. It will take a minute or two to complete the scan. Another great utility is 'filelight' It does basically the same thing, but presents the data in a pie chart format. kdirstat is tabular. Both will do what you want. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

18:58

Op 06-12-10 18:36, David C. Rankin schreef:

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Rob,

In kde, run 'kdirstat' and then choose the directory you want to investigate (you can choose an entire partition). kdirstat will then scan the directory tree and give you a prioritized summary of where your disk space has gone. It will take a minute or two to complete the scan.

Another great utility is 'filelight' It does basically the same thing, but presents the data in a pie chart format. kdirstat is tabular. Both will do what you want.

I installed filelight, the second i opened it it was done: *Thunderbird* eats *54%* of the /home space.. How on earth is this possible! But more important: How can i get rid of the unnessesary junk it produces? I throwed away about 15.000 mails, but that had absolutely no effect. What filelight says: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1:~/.thunderbird/cgdloiux.default/Mail/pop.iae.nl> 2,373 MB (54%)Files 49 oddball@AMD64x2sfn1:~/.thunderbird/cgdloiux.default/Mail> 2,418 MB (56%) Files 176 oddball@AMD64x2sfn1:~/.thunderbird/cgdloiux.default> 2,436 MB (56%) Files 474 (2%) oddball@AMD64x2sfn1:~/.thunderbird> 2,436 MB (56%) Files 477 (2%) Can i just empty these dirs without destroying thunderbird? Or what would be the best i could do? -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

dwgallien

19:19

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Can i just empty these dirs without destroying thunderbird? Or what would be the best i could do?

Did you look for a folder option which "expires and deletes" messages after the configured length of time and/or an option to "compress" the folder (IIRC this only applies to mbox type storage)? You don't want to delete messages and folders outside of t'bird because that will break the indexes (there may be an option to recreate the index, but IME it's better to use the app's built-in utilities for removal). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dave Howorth

7 Dec 7 Dec

10:30

dwgallien wrote:

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Can i just empty these dirs without destroying thunderbird? Or what would be the best i could do?

Did you look for a folder option which "expires and deletes" messages after the configured length of time and/or an option to "compress" the folder (IIRC this only applies to mbox type storage)?

As a data point, I just checked my Inbox directory, which was 1.9 GB. After running "Compact this Folder" it is 12 MB!

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You don't want to delete messages and folders outside of t'bird because that will break the indexes (there may be an option to recreate the index, but IME it's better to use the app's built-in utilities for removal).

I agree with this sentiment but I have never had problems from TB when I delete files out from under it :) Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider - openSUSE

14:00

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dwgallien wrote:

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Can i just empty these dirs without destroying thunderbird? Or what would be the best i could do?

Did you look for a folder option which "expires and deletes" messages after the configured length of time and/or an option to "compress" the folder (IIRC this only applies to mbox type storage)?

As a data point, I just checked my Inbox directory, which was 1.9 GB. After running "Compact this Folder" it is 12 MB!

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You don't want to delete messages and folders outside of t'bird because that will break the indexes (there may be an option to recreate the index, but IME it's better to use the app's built-in utilities for removal).

I agree with this sentiment but I have never had problems from TB when I delete files out from under it :)

Cheers, Dave

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Carlos E. R.

9 Dec 9 Dec

02:51

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You can set folders to be compressed automatically:

Edit-->Preferences-->Advanced-->Network and Disk Space

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Hans Witvliet

6 Dec 6 Dec

20:29

On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 19:58 +0100, Oddball wrote:

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I installed filelight, the second i opened it it was done: *Thunderbird* eats *54%* of the /home space.. How on earth is this possible! But more important: How can i get rid of the unnessesary junk it produces? I throwed away about 15.000 mails, but that had absolutely no effect.

What filelight says:

oddball@AMD64x2sfn1:~/.thunderbird/cgdloiux.default/Mail/pop.iae.nl> 2,373 MB (54%)Files 49 oddball@AMD64x2sfn1:~/.thunderbird/cgdloiux.default/Mail> 2,418 MB (56%) Files 176 oddball@AMD64x2sfn1:~/.thunderbird/cgdloiux.default> 2,436 MB (56%) Files 474 (2%) oddball@AMD64x2sfn1:~/.thunderbird> 2,436 MB (56%) Files 477 (2%)

Can i just empty these dirs without destroying thunderbird? Or what would be the best i could do?

Well imho, used imap instead of pop. It leaves all the messages of your mail-server, instead of copying to your mail client. It has some other nice side effects, like you can read your mail from different machines, or (more) easily re-install a client machine without having to copy all of your mail-folders across. hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

20:35

Op 06-12-10 21:29, Hans Witvliet schreef:

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Well imho, used imap instead of pop. It leaves all the messages of your mail-server, instead of copying to your mail client.

It has some other nice side effects, like you can read your mail from different machines, or (more) easily re-install a client machine without having to copy all of your mail-folders across.

hw

I don't know if that is possible with my mailserver, or even how to set-up such imap, but i will deepen my insight a little on the matter, sounds very interresting.... Rob. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hans Witvliet

21:02

On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 21:35 +0100, Oddball wrote:

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Op 06-12-10 21:29, Hans Witvliet schreef:

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Well imho, used imap instead of pop. It leaves all the messages of your mail-server, instead of copying to your mail client.

It has some other nice side effects, like you can read your mail from different machines, or (more) easily re-install a client machine without having to copy all of your mail-folders across.

hw

I don't know if that is possible with my mailserver, or even how to set-up such imap, but i will deepen my insight a little on the matter, sounds very interresting....

Rob.

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Anton Aylward

21:28

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Hans Witvliet said the following on 12/06/2010 03:29 PM:

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Can i just empty these dirs without destroying thunderbird?

NO! DON'T DO THAT@!

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Or what would be the best i could do?

Well imho, used imap instead of pop. It leaves all the messages of your mail-server, instead of copying to your mail client.

It has some other nice side effects, like you can read your mail from different machines, or (more) easily re-install a client machine without having to copy all of your mail-folders across.

+1 We've discussed this many times. It doesn't eliminate what's under ~/.thunderbird if you use local indexing, but it does eliminate the message store. -- The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of meeting schedules is forgotten. --Kathleen Byle, Sandia National Laboratories -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

8 Dec 8 Dec

17:12

On 12/06/2010 02:29 PM, Hans Witvliet wrote:

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Well imho, used imap instead of pop. It leaves all the messages of your mail-server, instead of copying to your mail client.

I agree, imap is the way to go, especially if you get mail on multiple computers. NOTE: with T-bird 3.X you have to configure it NOT to (1) 'sync' your imap folders and NOT (2) 'store messages on local computer'. Otherwise tbird 3 will behave like pop set to leave messages on server. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

17:54

Op 08-12-10 18:12, David C. Rankin schreef:

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On 12/06/2010 02:29 PM, Hans Witvliet wrote:

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Well imho, used imap instead of pop. It leaves all the messages of your mail-server, instead of copying to your mail client.

I agree, imap is the way to go, especially if you get mail on multiple computers.

NOTE: with T-bird 3.X you have to configure it NOT to (1) 'sync' your imap folders and NOT (2) 'store messages on local computer'. Otherwise tbird 3 will behave like pop set to leave messages on server.

I do not quite understand: You read the messages on the server with imap, and they stay there, until i remotely delete them? pop3 you can choose to leave the messages on the server, or when you change these the will be deleted on the server, but stay resistant residing somwhere unseen in TB. What is the real advantage(s) in imap above pop3? -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

18:51

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Oddball said the following on 12/08/2010 12:54 PM:

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I do not quite understand: You read the messages on the server with imap, and they stay there, until i remotely delete them? pop3 you can choose to leave the messages on the server, or when you change these the will be deleted on the server, but stay resistant residing somwhere unseen in TB. What is the real advantage(s) in imap above pop3?

Think about what you said. "You (with pop3) can choose to lave the messages on the server" But you normally don't. And you _always_ download the message. With IMAP you get (some) of the headers. If and only if you choose, on the basis of the header, to read the message, does it get downloaded. You can filter or delete the messages without ever having read them. -- Wisdom is earned through bitter experience. Idiocy comes easily. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

19:20

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Op 08-12-10 19:51, Anton Aylward schreef:

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Oddball said the following on 12/08/2010 12:54 PM:

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I do not quite understand: You read the messages on the server with imap, and they stay there, until i remotely delete them? pop3 you can choose to leave the messages on the server, or when you change these the will be deleted on the server, but stay resistant residing somwhere unseen in TB. What is the real advantage(s) in imap above pop3?

Think about what you said. "You (with pop3) can choose to lave the messages on the server" But you normally don't. And you _always_ download the message.

With IMAP you get (some) of the headers. If and only if you choose, on the basis of the header, to read the message, does it get downloaded. You can filter or delete the messages without ever having read them.

I allways leave the messages on the server, because when i tested alphas, sometimes the os was unuseble, and i needed my mail to be read, therefore using other os or pc's. However i do not choose to download only the headers, because i then have to download every message i want to read seperately. Lazyness and ignorance , i guess, not knowing until recently, that deleting mail on the server, is not the same as deleting messages from my client. I thought that mails i deleted with shift+del, were gone. This however appears to be a mistake. With the server settings in TB, i also can choose to delete messages without having read them. So, what is the real advantage of imap over pop3 again? -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

19:40

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Oddball said the following on 12/08/2010 02:20 PM:

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I allways leave the messages on the server, because when i tested alphas, sometimes the os was unuseble, and i needed my mail to be read, therefore using other os or pc's. However i do not choose to download only the headers, because i then have to download every message i want to read seperately. Lazyness and ignorance , i guess, not knowing until recently, that deleting mail on the server, is not the same as deleting messages from my client. I thought that mails i deleted with shift+del, were gone. This however appears to be a mistake. With the server settings in TB, i also can choose to delete messages without having read them.

So, what is the real advantage of imap over pop3 again?

I think you haven't read what we've been saying. With POP3 you ALWAYS download ALL messages, headers and bodies. With IMAP you ONLY download the messages you choose to read. Depending on the MUA, an IMAP reader may not even retain the messages it has downloaded. The download is only temporary. Think of it as downloading to the screen rather than the disk. Yes, I know, its not actually, 'cos of caching. But the point is that its not _stored_ on the client. The end result is that IMAP doesn't use the space on the client that POP3 does. Which is the problem you were faced with. Of course you can always buqqer around with things, telling an IMAP MUA to retain the bodies or always deleting _all_ of the local copies in POP2 mode after reading. But its apparent you weren't. For me, the advantage of IMAP is that I can read the same messages from any of my stations because its not downloaded onto then as is the case with POP3 Some of us get more sophisticated. We run IMAP servers that do the indexing and searching on the server, so even when doing a search of the bodies there is no need to download them to the workstation. I'm sure others can contribute additional advantages of IMAP. -- The computing field is always in need of new cliches. Alan Perlis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

20:21

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Op 08-12-10 20:40, Anton Aylward schreef:

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Oddball said the following on 12/08/2010 02:20 PM:

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I allways leave the messages on the server, because when i tested alphas, sometimes the os was unuseble, and i needed my mail to be read, therefore using other os or pc's. However i do not choose to download only the headers, because i then have to download every message i want to read seperately. Lazyness and ignorance , i guess, not knowing until recently, that deleting mail on the server, is not the same as deleting messages from my client. I thought that mails i deleted with shift+del, were gone. This however appears to be a mistake. With the server settings in TB, i also can choose to delete messages without having read them.

So, what is the real advantage of imap over pop3 again?

I think you haven't read what we've been saying.

With POP3 you ALWAYS download ALL messages, headers and bodies.

That is not correct, with pop3, in TB, you can choose to download only headers, or the complete body.

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With IMAP you ONLY download the messages you choose to read.

I used mailwasher for that, through wine, to keep my server clean, preselect spam and to bounce unwanted messages.. But i stopped doing it, i guess 'cos of a windows app inside of linux, but i am not sure, maybe also lazyness...

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Depending on the MUA, an IMAP reader may not even retain the messages it has downloaded. The download is only temporary. Think of it as downloading to the screen rather than the disk. Yes, I know, its not actually, 'cos of caching. But the point is that its not _stored_ on the client.

This looks attractive to me...

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The end result is that IMAP doesn't use the space on the client that POP3 does. Which is the problem you were faced with.

Obviously...

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Of course you can always buqqer around with things, telling an IMAP MUA to retain the bodies or always deleting _all_ of the local copies in POP2 mode after reading. But its apparent you weren't.

No, i was not, cos i thought that when i deleted them, they would be gone..

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For me, the advantage of IMAP is that I can read the same messages from any of my stations because its not downloaded onto then as is the case with POP3

Look what you are actualy saying: You can read your mail on all your machines, despite the fact that it is still on the server.. with pop3, all the machines i/one want(s) to read my/ones mail on, get cluttered with them: All your machines stay clean, while mine get cluttered, all of them, with the same mails.. This is indeed a great advantage.

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Some of us get more sophisticated. We run IMAP servers that do the indexing and searching on the server, so even when doing a search of the bodies there is no need to download them to the workstation.

An imap server is a seperate machine? Like an old pc?

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I'm sure others can contribute additional advantages of IMAP.

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Anton Aylward

20:49

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Oddball said the following on 12/08/2010 03:21 PM:

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An imap server is a seperate machine? Like an old pc?

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Oddball

21:06

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Op 08-12-10 21:49, Anton Aylward schreef:

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Oddball said the following on 12/08/2010 03:21 PM:

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An imap server is a seperate machine? Like an old pc?

Don't you recall I mentioned a "Salvation Army Special"? Try your local thrift store.

not nessesary, i allready have one handy: replaced my old printserver last saturday...it is available.... :-) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

21:21

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Oddball said the following on 12/08/2010 03:21 PM:

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With POP3 you ALWAYS download ALL messages, headers and bodies.

That is not correct, with pop3, in TB, you can choose to download only headers, or the complete body.

Not so.

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With IMAP you ONLY download the messages you choose to read.

I suggest you go back and read the RFCs. For example <quote> IMAP4rev1 permits manipulation of mailboxes (remote message folders) in a way that is functionally equivalent to local folders. </quote> So you see the whole hierarchy of 'folders' at the server and can use the sever to organize and 'file away' your mail. I use procmail to pre-sort, tag and file my incoming mail on the server to the appropriate folders. You simply can't do that with POP3 unless you you actually use local folders and run then pipe it through a filter. Yes, you could do all that with T'Bird but it gets laborious. All my mail is processed on my server even when my workstations - which are laptops - are turned off. <quote> IMAP4rev1 includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes, checking for new messages, permanently removing messages, setting and clearing flags, RFC 2822 and RFC 2045 parsing, searching, and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and portions thereof. </quote> That's the server doing all that, not your MUA. I have lots of mailboxes This list has a dedicated one. It means I can choose what mail I want to look at and when rather than having one big mailbox. As I say, yes you can use the filters in T'Bird -- IF you are storing locally. The POP3 LIST command does not give the headers, only the size of the message. The RETR gets the message, envelope and all. Only IMAP lets you get just the envelope. E.g. FETCH INTERNALDATE RFC822.SIZE ENVELOPE FETCH FLAGS BODY[HEADER.FIELDS (DATE FROM SUBJECT)] -- "Realizing the importance of the case, my men are rounding up twice the number of usual suspects" - Cpt Renault to Major Strasser, Cassablanaca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

21:53

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Op 08-12-10 22:21, Anton Aylward schreef:

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Oddball said the following on 12/08/2010 03:21 PM:

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With POP3 you ALWAYS download ALL messages, headers and bodies.

That is not correct, with pop3, in TB, you can choose to download only headers, or the complete body.

Not so.

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With IMAP you ONLY download the messages you choose to read.

I suggest you go back and read the RFCs. For example <quote> IMAP4rev1 permits manipulation of mailboxes (remote message folders) in a way that is functionally equivalent to local folders. </quote>

So you see the whole hierarchy of 'folders' at the server and can use the sever to organize and 'file away' your mail. I use procmail to pre-sort, tag and file my incoming mail on the server to the appropriate folders.

You simply can't do that with POP3 unless you you actually use local folders and run then pipe it through a filter. Yes, you could do all that with T'Bird but it gets laborious. All my mail is processed on my server even when my workstations - which are laptops - are turned off.

<quote> IMAP4rev1 includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes, checking for new messages, permanently removing messages, setting and clearing flags, RFC 2822 and RFC 2045 parsing, searching, and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and portions thereof. </quote> That's the server doing all that, not your MUA. I have lots of mailboxes This list has a dedicated one. It means I can choose what mail I want to look at and when rather than having one big mailbox.

As I say, yes you can use the filters in T'Bird -- IF you are storing locally.

The POP3 LIST command does not give the headers, only the size of the message. The RETR gets the message, envelope and all.

Only IMAP lets you get just the envelope. E.g. FETCH INTERNALDATE RFC822.SIZE ENVELOPE FETCH FLAGS BODY[HEADER.FIELDS (DATE FROM SUBJECT)]

I am allready turned.... When you realy look at it, pop3 only sucks... All your mail scattered over x machines, netbooks and laptops, most important your sent mail is not at one place, so you search your head off for a reply, when you need it few months, or a year later.... Looks like a dream: all your mail at one place! Accessible from everywhere... I'll put in my storage room on a shelf...i have a very small b/w monitor, to see if it works.. a hole in the wall for the networkcable that is not used now....all is available.. I think i'll start tomorrowmorning... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

9 Dec 9 Dec

03:06

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Op 08-12-10 20:40, Anton Aylward schreef:

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With POP3 you ALWAYS download ALL messages, headers and bodies.

That is not correct, with pop3, in TB, you can choose to download only headers, or the complete body.

No, that is not correct, either. POP3 does not allow to download only the headers, but programmers are clever chaps, and what they do is download the first kilobyte or two of a message, which is probably the headers region. A kilobyte or two of a megabyte message is some advantage ;-) With imap is far simpler, you really can tell the server to give you the list of message headers. pop3 is designed to simply download the remote email to a local machine. You can consider imap as a type of database or file server on wich you can upload, download, do queries, read, write... - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk0AR8wACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UbFwCgmDURs8GWHbYBsEBnlFcoWt+0 EVIAn2QJ/slly7qd2EUZjhcAjF14lPUh =QiUB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

6 Dec 6 Dec

20:24

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

tia,

Rob.

If you have had this machine running for a while you may find several kernels (and perhaps sources there of) remaining installed. You need to go into yast and remove those obsolete kernels, kernel images, and source trees. It can add up to quite a lot. -- _____________________________________ ---This space for rent--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

20:35

* John Andersen [12-06-10 15:25]:

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If you have had this machine running for a while you may find several kernels (and perhaps sources there of) remaining installed. You need to go into yast and remove those obsolete kernels, kernel images, and source trees. It can add up to quite a lot.

Re-read the thread and I believe you will find that he explained that one particular partition containing only /home was short space. He surely doesn't have kernels/kernel-sources there unless he is just storing files and would be aware of that. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Michael Powell

23:12

New subject: [opensuse] Re: How do i win some space back?

John Andersen wrote: [snip]

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If you have had this machine running for a while you may find several kernels (and perhaps sources there of) remaining installed.

I did the multiversion = provides:multiversion(kernel) thing and began to acquire multiple kernels.

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You need to go into yast and remove those obsolete kernels, kernel images, and source trees. It can add up to quite a lot.

Unfortunately however, Yast on my box doesn't see any of the other 4 or 5 and so will not remove them. Figure I need to dig up some command line switches for zypper and find out "the hard way" to do it, but am just lazy and haven't gotten 'round to it. Would be really nice if there was a way to tell Yast those other 4 or 5 obsolete kernels were out there. -Mike -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

7 Dec 7 Dec

10:06

New subject: [opensuse] Re: How do i win some space back?

Op 07-12-10 00:12, Michael Powell schreef:

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John Andersen wrote:

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Unfortunately however, Yast on my box doesn't see any of the other 4 or 5 and so will not remove them. Figure I need to dig up some command line switches for zypper and find out "the hard way" to do it, but am just lazy and haven't gotten 'round to it. Would be really nice if there was a way to tell Yast those other 4 or 5 obsolete kernels were out there.

-Mike

...that is why have a seperate /boot partition of 150mb...i had to grow it over the years, as the kernels and initrds became bigger and bigger... (have to throw away some myself now...;-) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.34-12-desktop x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) KDE: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike McMullin

06:58

On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 13:12 +0100, Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

Try looking in your /tmp dir and also /var/log. You can set up log rotation and the automatic cleanout of /tmp. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider - openSUSE

13:47

On 12/07/2010 01:58 AM, Mike McMullin pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 13:12 +0100, Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

Try looking in your /tmp dir and also /var/log. You can set up log rotation and the automatic cleanout of /tmp.

What does this have to do with a lack of space in a separate /home filesystem? People please read the *whole* thread before responding. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Paul Constable

17:31

On Monday 06 Dec 2010 12:12:13 Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

tia,

Rob. Rob, Have you tried an app called 'bleachbit'. It does an analysis of your hard drive and suggests stuff to be deleted , thus freeing up tons of space.

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Basil Chupin

8 Dec 8 Dec

03:05

On 08/12/2010 04:31, Paul Constable wrote:

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On Monday 06 Dec 2010 12:12:13 Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

tia,

Rob. Rob, Have you tried an app called 'bleachbit'. It does an analysis of your hard drive and suggests stuff to be deleted , thus freeing up tons of space.

Paul

I just had a look at bleachbit and personally I would use it with caution. I ticked on an item just to see what would come up and I was shown that all of my data in Firefox would get wiped - all my bookmarks, cache, etc for example :-( . However, there is another app. called computer-janitor which I have used and this one knows what it is doing - for example I know that I have 2 old versions of the kernel sitting here and it 'told' me that these 2 will be removed because they are no longer required. But, this is just my thinking...... BC -- Attorney: Are you qualified to give a urine sample? Witness: Are you qualified to ask that question? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

08:15

Op 8-12-2010 4:05, Basil Chupin schreef:

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On 08/12/2010 04:31, Paul Constable wrote:

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On Monday 06 Dec 2010 12:12:13 Oddball wrote:

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Hi list,

I have to throw some bites away, but when i look, i cannot find where all space went.. How can i see which files absorb all the space? If i throw something away with shift-del, does it realy dissappear from the disk of does it remain in some obscure unseen recycle bin? If there exists a recycle bin, where does it linger? How do i call upon it, to see if there is something in it?

tia,

Rob. Rob, Have you tried an app called 'bleachbit'. It does an analysis of your hard drive and suggests stuff to be deleted , thus freeing up tons of space.

Paul

No as a matter of fact, i did not. I installed and used filelight after that was suggested to me. It does not suggest anything, but shows which app or file uses how many room, and shows the path to the directory. The rest is up to me. I am comfortable with it. Thank you for your input..

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I just had a look at bleachbit and personally I would use it with caution. I ticked on an item just to see what would come up and I was shown that all of my data in Firefox would get wiped - all my bookmarks, cache, etc for example :-( .

However, there is another app. called computer-janitor which I have used and this one knows what it is doing - for example I know that I have 2 old versions of the kernel sitting here and it 'told' me that these 2 will be removed because they are no longer required.

But, this is just my thinking......

BC

Hi B, (ltnc..) It turned out that TB was the space hog, and what disturbed me most was that when i threw about 17.000+ mails away, nothing changed! I thought it must be leftovers from updates or anything, and as i have many computers, it did not matter to me to throw the whole ~.thunderbird away...(mail gets in at least 3 of them every day so) As i have lost so many files along the way, i could not realy get setimental over what i or anybody else had said somewhere in the past. Everything is changing fast anyway... Nice you replied to the thread. ;-) regards, Rob. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

09:56

On 08/12/2010 19:15, Oddball wrote:

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Op 8-12-2010 4:05, Basil Chupin schreef:

[pruned]

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I just had a look at bleachbit and personally I would use it with caution. I ticked on an item just to see what would come up and I was shown that all of my data in Firefox would get wiped - all my bookmarks, cache, etc for example :-( .

However, there is another app. called computer-janitor which I have used and this one knows what it is doing - for example I know that I have 2 old versions of the kernel sitting here and it 'told' me that these 2 will be removed because they are no longer required.

But, this is just my thinking......

BC

Hi B,

(ltnc..)

Yep, been some time...:-) .

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It turned out that TB was the space hog, and what disturbed me most was that when i threw about 17.000+ mails away, nothing changed!

I use mc (midnight commander) and regularly check how large the mail directories in TB are. But as Ken said in one post today, you can control how much is kept by using the option in Preferences - but this is "drastic", so to speak, and works well if you don't care about keeping messages for future reference. For example, from earlier posts, Carlos keeps posts going back to when the world was first created :-D . Most of the time I am not concerned about what those which contain posts which can be retrieved from the archives of the mail list to which I subscribe, but I do pay attention to SENT and SAVED. These last ones I archive first and then delete using TB's built-in feature (or even zap them using mc because the mail directories will get recreated and repopulated by TB when new mail of them arrives). Doing this saves heaps of space. Use mc, for example, and see how much space is being used up by any of the mail directories. Archiving the biggies saves space (and then transfer the archives to some other media and therefore free the HD). The other thing I do every second day or so - or when I remember :-) - is to copy both the mozilla and the thunderbird directories to either/both an USB flash drive or external USB HD

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I thought it must be leftovers from updates or anything, and as i have many computers, it did not matter to me to throw the whole ~.thunderbird away...(mail gets in at least 3 of them every day so) As i have lost so many files along the way, i could not realy get setimental over what i or anybody else had said somewhere in the past.

Nothing gets "lost" - unless you do something to make it go "lost" or the system crashes so horribly that you cannot recover and therefore things are "lost" :-) . Backup, backup, backup - backup only those files which you consider are important. For me, the only real important files are those sitting in ~/.mozilla, ~/.thunderbird, and ~/Documents. Perhaps also ~/.xine. As for the rest, all are re-installable. Of course, there are also family photos, music files, and similar, but which are always copied to either CD or DVD and are therefore "immune" to system crashes.

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Everything is changing fast anyway...

Eh, tell me about it...... :-( .

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Nice you replied to the thread. ;-)

My pleasure, provided it gave you some info which would be of help to you - which is what I hoped it would do :-) . BC -- Attorney: Are you qualified to give a urine sample? Witness: Are you qualified to ask that question? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

10:54

Op 8-12-2010 10:56, Basil Chupin schreef:

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However, there is another app. called computer-janitor which I have used and this one knows what it is doing - for example I know that I have 2 old versions of the kernel sitting here and it 'told' me that these 2 will be removed because they are no longer required.

I will take a look at it once..

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But, this is just my thinking......

BC

Hi B,

(ltnc..)

Yep, been some time...:-) .

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I use mc (midnight commander) and regularly check how large the mail directories in TB are. But as Ken said in one post today, you can control how much is kept by using the option in Preferences - but this is "drastic", so to speak, and works well if you don't care about keeping messages for future reference. For example, from earlier posts, Carlos keeps posts going back to when the world was first created :-D . lol.. i had also lots of old mails what do you think over 17.000! Glad i got rid of them, just sitting there eating space..

Most of the time I am not concerned about what those which contain posts which can be retrieved from the archives of the mail list to which I subscribe, exactly..

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but I do pay attention to SENT and SAVED. These last ones I archive first and then delete using TB's built-in feature (or even zap them using mc because the mail directories will get recreated and repopulated by TB when new mail of them arrives). I used to keep them on the drive, but threw them away anyway... maybe should have kept them, but i didn't..

Doing this saves heaps of space. Use mc, for example, and see how much space is being used up by any of the mail directories. Archiving the biggies saves space (and then transfer the archives to some other media and therefore free the HD).

i wasn't in need for space until recently, mostly because i have seperate partitions for /boot, /various root, /tmp, and the /homes belonging to them... I used to make the homes 20GB, but the particular one was only 5GB, which is enough if music and movies are on a seperate partition also...

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The other thing I do every second day or so - or when I remember :-) - is to copy both the mozilla and the thunderbird directories to either/both an USB flash drive or external USB HD

...

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I thought it must be leftovers from updates or anything, and as i have many computers, it did not matter to me to throw the whole ~.thunderbird away...(mail gets in at least 3 of them every day so) As i have lost so many files along the way, i could not realy get sentimental over what i or anybody else had said somewhere in the past.

Nothing gets "lost" - unless you do something to make it go "lost" or the system crashes so horribly that you cannot recover and therefore things are "lost" :-) .

never even thought about that.. this is a residue from my M$ decade... lol.

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Backup, backup, backup - backup only those files which you consider are important. For me, the only real important files are those sitting in ~/.mozilla, ~/.thunderbird, and ~/Documents. Perhaps also ~/.xine. As for the rest, all are re-installable.

Of course, there are also family photos, music files, and similar, but which are always copied to either CD or DVD and are therefore "immune" to system crashes.

Indeed, i saved, backed-up to a networkdrive, which got infected, and got toal-loss: drive broken! by a virus, could not recover nor repair the darn thing... had to find the burnt dvd's and cd's again to get to the files i allways used..

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Everything is changing fast anyway...

Eh, tell me about it...... :-( .

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Nice you replied to the thread. ;-)

My pleasure, provided it gave you some info which would be of help to you - which is what I hoped it would do :-) .

Allways (mostly) nice to read your posts..

...

BC

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