Per Jessen said the following on 06/08/2009 08:16 AM:

I only send faxes from openoffice, and I've got a special fax printer set up for that. To have a fax printer available everywhere, I think you need to set it up in cups, and I'm pretty certain I have come across a hylafax "backend" for cups or some such.

That sounds interesting. The 'everywhere' hylafax integrate with CUPS seems great for the bricks-an-mortar office; another box (or virtual) an another phone line along with many other phone lines. But for those of us who live an work 'out of the office' an use a laptop, something else is needed. When I google for 'openoffice+fax' I get a lot of references to How-Tos that specify: To send a fax directly from OpenOffice.org, you need a fax modem and a fax driver that allows applications to communicate with the fax modem. Well that's a big MAYBE. Maybe the modem in my laptop can fax, but is it a real modem? Maybe I'd be better off using a network service like eFax if I deal with a lot of faxes, both outgoing an incoming. My reality, though is that faxes are a technology that won't die. Having become popular before the Internet they persist in modern business. If I have to fax something once a month that is remarkable. I can usually send a document by email or via a FT box. But occasionally I have to send a signed document, or worse, print out a PDF form, fill it in, sign it an fax it. The last time I tried that it turned out that the fax at my local copy shop could not connect to the remote fax service and I resorted to snail-mail! So there are two problems: 1. A simplified, low footprint, occasional fax out of a document via my laptop's modem. 2. Dealing with the complexities of PDF forms that need to be filled in, signed and faxed. As I say, this is an occasional nod to an archaic technology, but when it is needed it is very definitely needed. I wonder how many other people are in this situation? I wonder if there is a 'small footprint' solution for laptops and occasional use? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

>>> On 6/8/2009 at  4:00 PM, Per Jessen  wrote:
>> 2. Dealing with the complexities of PDF forms that  need to be filled
>> in, signed and faxed.
> 
> signed? 

I understood the statement as:
- fill in
- print
- sign (you know.. this process with a pen in your hand)
- fax

Dominique
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Per Jessen said the following on 06/08/2009 10:24 AM:
> Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
> 
>>>>> On 6/8/2009 at  4:00 PM, Per Jessen  wrote:
>>>> 2. Dealing with the complexities of PDF forms that  need to be
>>>> filled in, signed and faxed.
>>> signed?
>> I understood the statement as:
>> - fill in
>> - print
>> - sign (you know.. this process with a pen in your hand)
>> - fax
>>
>> Dominique
> 
> 
> But given that Anton is on a laptop, he will have to scan in the printed
> copy and then fax it.  It's certainly doable, but by now Anton might as
> well drag a regular fax machine along, and forget about hylafax
> altogether :-)

Well yea, I mean its only a couple of hundred bucks an about 10 kilos
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0012YS2IA?ie=UTF8&tag=emergentprope-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0012YS2IA
HP Officejet J6480 All-in-One Printer

Heck, while I'm about it I may as well get a portable power supply
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000E6LEIC?ie=UTF8&tag=emergentprope-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B000E6LEIC
Xantrex Powerpack 600 Watt Jumpstarter, Power Inverter
since its only another couple of hundred bucks.

Hmm.  Looks like I'll need a hand-cart as well.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001HBH1BM?ie=UTF8&tag=emergentprope-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B001HBH1BM
Magna Cart Ideal Hand Truck

Still, a new laptop would count as capital equipment an I'd have to get
my boss and his boss to sign off on that, which is unlikely, but these
low cost items could be expensed.

I just worry about using them on the plane.
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On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 10:51 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
> Dominique Leuenberger said the following on 06/08/2009 10:11 AM:
> >>>> On 6/8/2009 at  4:00 PM, Per Jessen  wrote:
> >>> 2. Dealing with the complexities of PDF forms that  need to be filled
> >>> in, signed and faxed.
> >> signed? 
> > I understood the statement as:
> > - fill in
> > - print
> > - sign (you know.. this process with a pen in your hand)
> > - fax
> Yea, I tried that.
> The fax at the copy shop wouldn't connect to service - some computer
> based thing, not a real fax machine - at the other end.  I tried another
>  store with the same result.  

These kind of compatibility issues aren't that uncommon;  and they don't
really have anything to do specifically with Hylafax for computer-based
faxing.

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Anton Aylward wrote:

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Is hylafax too much "footprint" for you? I mean, set it up once and use it as often or not as you like.

What you're saying is that I need one of those nifty new laptops with 4G of memory an 320G of disk. Oh, drool! And here was I being told that Linux runs well on old equipment that can't handle Vista.

Well, my hylafax+asterisk setup runs on a 1GHz desktop PC with some 600Mb RAM and an 80Gb harddrive. If you've got a laptop that'll run e.g. openSUSE 10.3 or thereabouts, I think you'll be fine. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2009-06-08 at 10:41 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:

Per Jessen said the following on 06/08/2009 10:00 AM:

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2. Dealing with the complexities of PDF forms that need to be filled in, signed and faxed. signed? Squigles, like you make with a pen on cheques and credit card forms. And birthday cards. I've got one scanned as a GIF and I can paste it onto my OpenOffice documents :-) I'd love to do the same with those PDF forms that say they can't be saved once filled in.

Which has nothing to do with Hylafax, or even faxing at all. Or the hardware. That is an application issue - you require signatures, which requires a physical copy.

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I wonder how many other people are in this situation? I wonder if there is a 'small footprint' solution for laptops and occasional use? Is hylafax too much "footprint" for you? I mean, set it up once and use it as often or not as you like. What you're saying is that I need one of those nifty new laptops with 4G of memory an 320G of disk.

Eh? To run Hylafax, no. To efficiently deal with modern scanners and the resulting images - quite possibly yes.

Oh, drool! And here was I being told that Linux runs well on old equipment that can't handle Vista.

Which is just dumb; and it is a really tired line anyway. If you want to do very modern state-of-the-art things then you need modern state-of-the-art hardware - period, regardless of your OS or whatever. Because there are peripherals and peripheral attachments (USB2, etc...), etc... that no OS can get around. The tricky part of that statement is the "runs well" part - runs well doing what? LINUX can't get water from a stone. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2009-06-08 at 10:41 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:

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2. Dealing with the complexities of PDF forms that need to be filled in, signed and faxed.

signed?

Squigles, like you make with a pen on cheques and credit card forms. And birthday cards.

I've got one scanned as a GIF and I can paste it onto my OpenOffice documents :-)

I'd love to do the same with those PDF forms that say they can't be saved once filled in.

That problem is not related to hylafax at all. PDF forms are supposed to be printed, then filled by hand; sometimes downloaded, filled (on-computer, off-line), then printed (not saved). Then you sign, and hand over the counter, or fax via fax machine. If you want to fax via computer, you also need a scanner. Pasting your graphical signature, which could be illegal, means you have to use a graphical editor like perhaps The Gimp to do that manipulation on the postscript file printed from the filled form. Or, the entity supplying the forms, could make a contract with Adobe so that you can fill the forms online and hand them over electronically, with electronic signature (not fax, a special document form server). Which would be the proper, and expensive, way. And maybe only for windows, dunno. Proprietary, certainly. This is not an hylafax problem at all. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkotMpIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VJewCfXzofJtQqP8ZeBj887YnHQH+h fOYAn0tbmyiaX3buQYmKHloHDnNKH2CZ =He0p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 08 June 2009 08:10:38 am Carlos E. R. wrote: Off topic, perhaps, perhaps not. I've often wondered why all your posts (like this one) come through "signed," but KMail displays them with a message saying "Not enough information to check signature validity." Is it a flaw in KMail, or in your signature? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. said the following on 06/08/2009 07:54 PM:

On Monday, 2009-06-08 at 16:31 -0700, Jerry Houston wrote:

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I've often wondered why all your posts (like this one) come through "signed," but KMail displays them with a message saying "Not enough information to check signature validity."

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Is it a flaw in KMail, or in your signature?

Probably means that you haven't imported my signature, thus kmail can't check it. It should be a click away. More if you have never used it, you may have to configure kgpg first.

Indeed. Configured, but not imported I get OpenPGP Security Info UNTRUSTED Good signature from Carlos E. R. (cer) Key ID: 0x6D8D47D5 / Signed on: 06/08/2009 07:54 PM Key fingerprint: 1911 BE75 9892 8AD4 AA5C 53F5 B533 181C 6D8D 47D5 Go back to your Gpg config and set up. You do have gpg, gpg2, gpgconf ... etc installed? -- If I had never thought about computer typesetting, I might have had a happier life in some ways. -- Knuth -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org