Hello, I was testing Suse 8.2 to run as a server with the intention of ditching Redhat and my requirements are the server must run the following services/progs: http https smtp imap pop samba dhcpd ntpd named duplicity http://www.nongnu.org/duplicity yum http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/ The only distro that I can get to do all the above is Mandrake 9.1. The reason Suse 8.2 fails the test is that it runs RPM version 3.0.6. Any plans to get Suse to a more recent version? I know that if I stick with Suse rpm's for everything it will work just fine but as normally happens, customers require additional software not in the original distro and yum happens to require rpm version 4.x+. Is there any plans to upgrade rpm on 8.2 or the next release of suse? TIA Kevin B --
On Tuesday 17 June 2003 09:52, Kevin Brouelette wrote:
Hello,
I was testing Suse 8.2 to run as a server with the intention of ditching Redhat and my requirements are the server must run the following services/progs:
http https smtp imap pop samba dhcpd ntpd named duplicity http://www.nongnu.org/duplicity yum http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/
The only distro that I can get to do all the above is Mandrake 9.1. The reason Suse 8.2 fails the test is that it runs RPM version 3.0.6. Any plans to get Suse to a more recent version? I know that if I stick with Suse rpm's for everything it will work just fine but as normally happens, customers require additional software not in the original distro and yum happens to require rpm version 4.x+. Is there any plans to upgrade rpm on 8.2 or the next release of suse?
TIA
Kevin B ====================
Kevin, This subject has been brought up here in the past and I don't recall the email or the exact wording, but the jest of it is this. Although the RPM version that SuSE provides is not the same as the latest RH version, I think you will find them to be the same, except for the little extras SuSE might add. Please folks correct me if I am mistaken about this. Basically SuSE's RPM works as the others do and you should not experience any problems. Of course, if you try using a MDK or RH rpm with SuSE, you may find that because they are not following the LSB as closely that the files are installed in different places on your system. Patrick -- --- KMail v1.5.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 12:25:44PM -0400, BandiPat wrote: : : Kevin, : This subject has been brought up here in the past and I don't recall the : email or the exact wording, but the jest of it is this. Although the : RPM version that SuSE provides is not the same as the latest RH : version, I think you will find them to be the same, except for the : little extras SuSE might add. Please folks correct me if I am mistaken : about this. : : Basically SuSE's RPM works as the others do and you should not : experience any problems. Of course, if you try using a MDK or RH rpm : with SuSE, you may find that because they are not following the LSB as : closely that the files are installed in different places on your : system. It's not that RH and MDK are less LSB compliant. It's a standard that a distro has to be certified against. So, either they pass testing and are as LSB compliant as all other distros that are also LSB compliant, or not. Regardless, I don't think that there's anything that can be done for the original poster. The question revolves around using YUP, which for the latest versions require rpm 4.x. --Jerry -- Open-Source software isn't a matter of life or death... ...It's much more important than that!
* BandiPat (penguin0601@earthlink.net) [030617 09:26]: ->Basically SuSE's RPM works as the others do and you should not ->experience any problems. Of course, if you try using a MDK or RH rpm ->with SuSE, you may find that because they are not following the LSB as ->closely that the files are installed in different places on your ->system. The release of RPM that SuSE uses has been modified to handle RPM 4.0 based packages. RPM 4.0 doesn't handle most of the platforms that SuSE runs on outside of the X86 arena. It has issues on PPC, S/390 and the others. So until RH fixes these issues (which may take time since they don't run on these platforms) then SuSE will continue to modify the last in the 3.x series..or so I remember being told. So using SuSE with it's version of RPM should not hamper using other distro's packages. But what will hamper this is that RH and Mandrake tend to shove everything and the kitchen sink under /usr which is in my opinion stupid. I mean with all this talk about unix..linux..unix. People need to remember that /usr isn't /user ..it's UNIX System Resources...which would equate to system binaries...with the acception of /usr/local/bin. It's all pretty much a kludge until every distro gets on the same sheet of music as far as filesystem layout. So you can do what you want and put things where you want as of right now. -- The IQ and the life expectancy of the average American recently passed each other going in the opposite direction. ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org
On Tue, Jun 17, 2003 at 11:13:10AM -0700, Ben Rosenberg wrote: : So using SuSE with it's version of RPM should not hamper using other : distro's packages. But what will hamper this is that RH and Mandrake : tend to shove everything and the kitchen sink under /usr which is in my : opinion stupid. I mean with all this talk about unix..linux..unix. : People need to remember that /usr isn't /user ..it's UNIX System : Resources...which would equate to system binaries...with the acception : of /usr/local/bin. It's all pretty much a kludge until every distro gets : on the same sheet of music as far as filesystem layout. So you can do : what you want and put things where you want as of right now. Actually, you will mostly be hampered when trying to user newer versions of RH and MDK packages. Unfortunately, those distro's habit of breaking up a single appliction into a bajillion smaller packages (foo, foo-devel, foo-kitchen-sink, foo-basic-component, etc...) creates a dependency nightmare. And heaven forbid you want to install a package the requires curses, but they name libncurses. Of course, judicuous use of "--nodeps" and and underlying understanding of what's going on is necessary. Then you just need to get over the fact that docs are installed in a different location (/usr/share/doc instead of /usr/share/doc/packages). As for /usr, it's a matter of tastes. And yes, /usr is "user binaries". Distros will never get on the same page. The FHS allows for using either /usr ar /opt. And enough people are split on this that settling on one or the other will honk off half your audience, both of whom can make legitamate arguments. --Jerry -- Open-Source software isn't a matter of life or death... ...It's much more important than that!
On Wednesday 18 June 2003 2:25 am, BandiPat wrote: <snip> Ive been toying with suse on my laptop and suse's rpm does not work as the others most notibally the lack of rpmbuild to rebuild rpms i think its much more benificial to keep the two in seperate arenas i have been mostly happy with my experiences with suse its far superior to mandrake which i have had nothing but troubles with when ive tried it out. Dennis
Basically SuSE's RPM works as the others do and you should not experience any problems. Of course, if you try using a MDK or RH rpm with SuSE, you may find that because they are not following the LSB as closely that the files are installed in different places on your system.
Patrick -- --- KMail v1.5.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
Op dinsdag 17 juni 2003 15:52, schreef Kevin Brouelette:
duplicity http://www.nongnu.org/duplicity yum http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/
The only distro that I can get to do all the above is Mandrake 9.1. The reason Suse 8.2 fails the test is that it runs RPM version 3.0.6. Any plans to get Suse to a more recent version? I know that if I stick with Suse rpm's for everything it will work just fine but as normally happens, customers require additional software not in the original distro and yum happens to require rpm version 4.x+. Is there any plans to upgrade rpm on 8.2 or the next release of suse?
Is there a special reason you go for yam? As the "Obvious Questions" questions states "why not just use e.g. apt-rpm?". So you could use apt-rpm, but I think yast package mngr (ypm) can do the job too. More about apt-rpm at http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm. -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 11:26, Richard Bos wrote:
Op dinsdag 17 juni 2003 15:52, schreef Kevin Brouelette:
duplicity http://www.nongnu.org/duplicity yum http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/
The only distro that I can get to do all the above is Mandrake 9.1. The reason Suse 8.2 fails the test is that it runs RPM version 3.0.6. Any plans to get Suse to a more recent version? I know that if I stick with Suse rpm's for everything it will work just fine but as normally happens, customers require additional software not in the original distro and yum happens to require rpm version 4.x+. Is there any plans to upgrade rpm on 8.2 or the next release of suse?
Is there a special reason you go for yam?
Hi, I use it because as I stated, 'that's what the customer wants'. thanks all for the help. Kevin
As the "Obvious Questions" questions states "why not just use e.g. apt-rpm?". So you could use apt-rpm, but I think yast package mngr (ypm) can do the job too.
More about apt-rpm at http://linux01.gwdg.de/apt4rpm.
-- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless --
On Wed, 2003-06-18 at 06:00, Kevin Brouelette wrote:
Hi,
I use it because as I stated, 'that's what the customer wants'. thanks all for the help.
The way things seem, perhaps if you grabbed the .spm if there is one
from the yam webpages, then rebuilt it on a SuSE 8.2 box, you would get
a rpm that did not depend on RPM version 4. I am guessing on this, as I
have not had to do it myself, but if your customer insists on having
yam, it might be worth a try.
Regards,
--
Anders Karlsson
On Wed, Jun 18, Anders Karlsson wrote:
On Wed, 2003-06-18 at 06:00, Kevin Brouelette wrote:
Hi,
I use it because as I stated, 'that's what the customer wants'. thanks all for the help.
The way things seem, perhaps if you grabbed the .spm if there is one from the yam webpages, then rebuilt it on a SuSE 8.2 box, you would get a rpm that did not depend on RPM version 4. I am guessing on this, as I have not had to do it myself, but if your customer insists on having yam, it might be worth a try.
I doubt that this works, the interface changes between rpmv3 and rpmv4 are really big. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk http://www.suse.de/~kukuk/ kukuk@suse.de SuSE Linux AG Deutschherrnstr. 15-19 D-90429 Nuernberg -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint = A368 676B 5E1B 3E46 CFCE 2D97 F8FD 4E23 56C6 FB4B
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