On 2018-06-24 05:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2018-06-24 06:16, L A Walsh wrote:

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I followed an opensuse advert for selling data storage for body-cams to police.

It went through some redirects on google, then went to www.suse.com, That page doesn't load here.

Well, it did after a minute, and it is an strange page. And I get it in Spanish, despite my browser preference for English.

At the bottom, there is a aws float that hides a few of the allies, such as Cisco.

A security alert (meltdown) floats on top full time.

No mention at all of openSUSE.

Everything seems fine here going directly to that site, no delays whatsoever and no "extras" on screen either. Using Seamonkey 2.49.1; what browser is everyone else using? I won't ever be able to check this following an advert, since I'm running an ad blocker. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sunday, 24 June 2018 17:56:59 BST L A Walsh wrote:

Darryl Gregorash wrote:

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On 2018-06-24 05:33 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2018-06-24 06:16, L A Walsh wrote:

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I followed an opensuse advert for selling data storage for body-cams to police.

It went through some redirects on google, then went to www.suse.com,

That page doesn't load here.

Well, it did after a minute, and it is an strange page. And I get it in Spanish, despite my browser preference for English.

At the bottom, there is a aws float that hides a few of the allies, such as Cisco.

A security alert (meltdown) floats on top full time.

No mention at all of openSUSE.

--- No, but also have problems going to the opensuse forum site: https://forums.opensuse.org/ . ----- (it says: )

The connection was interrupted

The connection to forums.opensuse.org was interrupted while the page was loading.

The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments. If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network connection. If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure that Pale Moon is permitted to access the Web.

[Try Again]

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That's with Pale Moon V25.50(x64) -- (current version 27.9.3). Have not upgraded this browser because I'd lose too many extensions I want to use/keep for my everyday/casual usage. If I am visiting a more sensitive site or one that requires more security, I'll use Opera. Both webpages work fine in Opera.

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I won't ever be able to check this following an advert, since I'm running an ad blocker.

--- Fortunately, my ad blocker allows me to put in site and page-specific exceptions as well as allowing me to temporarily disable. Anyway, if you can access www.suse.com or

Not seeing the status 'NONE' in squidlog for forums.opensuse.org and have tried reloading it more than once. Just seeing the 'connection was interrupted.

however, If I turn on masquerading, and try to go direct with my browser, instead of through proxy, I get a different message:

---------------------------------------------------- The connection was reset

The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.

The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments. If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network connection. If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure that Pale Moon is permitted to access the Web. [Try Again] =================================================

In both cases, client is starting out with a TLSv1 Hello/handshake, followed by a supported range, up to TLSv1.2. The lower range in my browser seems to be configured at TLSv1.1.

In top case, squid is closing connection to browser "politely"(?) with a FIN,ACK message after the opening TLS message, while the bottom message (reset), comes from the remote website, and it sends an 'ACK' then a 'RST' on the connection (thus, "reset") -- roughly same response.

I don't think suse's new configuration is following suggested practices. They seem to be applying some standard that is higher than what is recommended for commercial+vendor transactions and before the suggested date of implementation.

Hi TLS1.0 and 1.1 are depricated and most websites have them turned off for security reasons the same as SSL version. The old browser may also not be ale to negotiate with the SHA2 certs as SHA1 is also past it life and most browsers and sites no longer support so if your browser cannot handle SHA2 then you will not connect. Aditionally you may have old cipher support only and many of these are disabled on the servers for the health of the server. All things to check out Andrew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-06-24 23:38, L A Walsh wrote:

Andrew Colvin wrote:

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TLS1.0 and 1.1 are depricated

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    1) Where do you see that TLS1.1 is deprecated?  I see that for TLS1l.0 but not 1.1.  Nevertheless, TLS1.2 is available.

and most websites have them turned off for

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security reasons the same as SSL version.  The old browser may also not be ale to negotiate with the SHA2 certs as SHA1 is also past it life and most browsers and sites no longer support so if your browser cannot handle SHA2 then you will not connect.  Aditionally you may have old cipher support only and many of these are disabled on the servers for the health of the server. 

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    Those are all fine and good if they were true.  But no other sites that I have found have problems with my security ciphers or hashes.  Of *KEY* importance here is that one of the main reasons for moving sites to "https", was the insistence of Google for "https everywhere".  One would think that one or many of their sites would fail in the same way if my browser didn't support new enough algorithms.  The fact that they don't -- and it is google that is pushing for this security, AND the fact that other sites like my bank, credit-card, private-health and commerce sites don't have a problem with my browser.  If they thought it was a security risk, wouldn't they be among the first to implement changes?

Security and banks is an oxymoron. My bank uses a 4 digit numeric pin on its web page. Banks keep using old systems because of cost of change and tradition. See the bank software crash in the UK a month or two ago as an example. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

Andrew Colvin wrote:

TLS1.0 and 1.1 are depricated and most websites have them turned off for security reasons the same as SSL version.

TLS1.0 is deprecated, but not 1.1. The old browser may also not be able

to negotiate with the SHA2 certs as SHA1 is also past it life and most browsers and sites no longer support so if your browser cannot handle SHA2 then you will not connect.

Wouldn't matter. The opensuse sites I can't connecct with only use SHA1.

Aditionally you may have old cipher support only and many of these are disabled on the servers for the health of the server.

Actually the problem was pretty much the opposite. The opensuse server only had the weaker ones starting w/RSA enabled. I'd disabled RSA as a first try and only had the strong ones enabled. I enabled a few of the RSA ciphers, which I'm told often needs to be done for compatibility as many sites haven't disabled the older ciphers for compatibility w/customers.

All things to check out

Did...and the problem was pretty much the opposite of of what we were thinking. Those who can't connect have their security settings set too high Opensuse only has 1 algorithm available for the first part -- RSA which is deprecated by ssllabs. thanks for the nudge -- (made me investigate what we being send/offered...just that that whole strong/weak thing got reversed).. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Monday, 25 June 2018 01:54:16 BST L A Walsh wrote:

Andrew Colvin wrote:

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All things to check out

--- Did...and the problem was pretty much the opposite of of what we were thinking.

Those who can't connect have their security settings set too high Opensuse only has 1 algorithm available for the first part -- RSA which is deprecated by ssllabs.

thanks for the nudge -- (made me investigate what we being send/offered...just that that whole strong/weak thing got reversed)..

Wow in that case I think there should be a bug report raised because it will not be long before other visitors trip over this. Good find -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 24/06/18 18:56, L A Walsh wrote:

That's with Pale Moon V25.50(x64) -- (current version 27.9.3). Have not upgraded this browser because I'd lose too many extensions I want to use/keep for my everyday/casual usage. 

I tried PaleMoon recently, when Firefox Quantum stopped (almost) all my extensions working. I was very unimpressed. It's forked from an *ancient* version of Firefox which hasn't been updated in many years. Consequently it is highly insecure as there have been hundreds of vulnerabilities fixed since then. If you want a browser that runs classic Firefox XUL extensions, try Waterfox. https://www.waterfoxproject.org/ It's a fork of Firefox 56, the last version that could run XUL add-ons. The maintainer is backporting the applicable newer security fixes from mainline Firefox Quantum. There's no RPM package on the site but the tarball works perfectly on Tumbleweed. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 16:43:52 +0200, Liam Proven wrote:

On 24/06/18 18:56, L A Walsh wrote:

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That's with Pale Moon V25.50(x64) -- (current version 27.9.3). Have not upgraded this browser because I'd lose too many extensions I want to use/keep for my everyday/casual usage. 

I tried PaleMoon recently, when Firefox Quantum stopped (almost) all my extensions working.

I was very unimpressed. It's forked from an *ancient* version of Firefox which hasn't been updated in many years. Consequently it is highly insecure as there have been hundreds of vulnerabilities fixed since then.

What do you think about this? OpenBSD's forked from an *ancient* version of NetBSD which hasn't been updated in many years. CONSEQUENTLY it is highly insecure as there have been hundreds of vulnerabilities fixed since then. So logical! Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Liam Proven wrote:

On 24/06/18 18:56, L A Walsh wrote:

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That's with Pale Moon V25.50(x64) -- (current version 27.9.3). Have not upgraded this browser because I'd lose too many extensions I want to use/keep for my everyday/casual usage.

I tried PaleMoon recently, when Firefox Quantum stopped (almost) all my extensions working.

I was very unimpressed. It's forked from an *ancient* version of Firefox which hasn't been updated in many years.

When it was forked, it was "new". However, it kept older features that many liked where the new FF moved away from its standard interface to a newer one. Many didn't appreciate that. As for security updates, PM as applied the same types of security revisions as FF has gotten and more. The current version isn't even based on the same rendering engine as FF was then (or now).

If you want a browser that runs classic Firefox XUL extensions, try Waterfox.

--- I tried WF ages ago (long before I new about PM). At the time it was slow and less stable than FF (this is at least 4-5 years back). There have also been concerns about their privacy policy: https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/waterfox.html That I've heard people speaking about for about the last few-to-couple of years. That said, I'm sure I could find things to critique about PM -- as they did change their extension format at some point, so I haven't upgraded it since, but have a list of non-compat extensions that occasionally review and work on -- sometimes to find replacements, and in a few cases to try to fix the compat problems. As for security -- they seem to be on top of the latest security issues and quickly issue fixes/patches. P.s. if you respond to me, and want me to see your reply in a reasonable time frame (or sometimes, "at all"), please be sure to send a copy to me as well as the list. They are sorted differently, locally. Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/27/2018 01:28 AM, L A Walsh wrote:

p.s. -- if you want me to see what you wrote in reasonable time frame, please make sure to send a copy to me as well as to the list.  Copies to the list go to a list mailbox, while copies to me go to a more personal mailbox which gets seen more often.  List mailboxes may not get seen for weeks and sometimes large numbers of messages are skipped over when I get back to them.  It depends on how much extra time I have. When busy, such a system enables me to prioritize communications.

Which (reply to sender) is STILL the list default, I believe. (After all these years). But making a habit of that that will get you several nastygrams from people insisting they want only the list copy, and you have to remember each person's preference. I add a filter to my MUA on the body of message, if it mentions my name, then it flags the message. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* L A Walsh [01-01-70 12:34]:

p.s. -- if you want me to see what you wrote in reasonable time frame, please make sure to send a copy to me as well as to the list. Copies to the list go to a list mailbox, while copies to me go to a more personal mailbox which gets seen more often. List mailboxes may not get seen for weeks and sometimes large numbers of messages are skipped over when I get back to them. It depends on how much extra time I have. When busy, such a system enables me to prioritize communications.

then YOU need to install filters that divert threads were you are active to show in the mail box you desire instead of imposing on everyone else to ignore courteous and expected email responses and the expected action in opensuse-* lists. why do you expect everyone else to change for YOU? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

John Andersen wrote:

On 06/27/2018 01:28 AM, L A Walsh wrote:

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p.s. -- if you want me to see what you wrote in reasonable time frame...

Which (reply to sender) is STILL the list default, I believe. (After all these years).

Well, AFAIK, that behavior is called for by applicable RFC's.

But making a habit of that that will get you several nastygrams from people insisting they want only the list copy, and you have to remember each person's preference.

They have preference to filter out extras, however, if I only send it one place or the other and they miss it, they can't exactly duplicate it and put it in other location.

I add a filter to my MUA on the body of message, if it mentions my name, then it flags the message.

--- Your MUA? Mail reader? In conversations (in person), if someone makes a comment, and someone else responds or replies, they usually address the person who just made the comment as well as looking at the group, as it is in a group context. To only respond to group and ignore questioner would be considered rude in most contexts as responding only to that person and ignoring the group might make the group feel left out of the private conversation. In email, the 1st can apply, while if one only responds to the person, the group isn't likely to see it -- which can be appropriate or not based on message. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/27/2018 12:17 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

courteous and expected email responses and the expected action in opensuse-* lists

As she explained elsewhere, the expected action in opensuse lists is reply to sender. It is explicitly set up that way. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

then YOU need to install filters that divert threads were you are active to show in the mail box you desire instead of imposing on everyone else to ignore courteous and expected email responses and the expected action in opensuse-* lists.

Um..."courteous and expected"...who is forcing them to change to something that goes against RFC behaviors and the default behavior? IF you force them to send something other than the default, then it disallows people choosing what to receive.

why do you expect everyone else to change for YOU?

--- I don't. If someone responds to my email, and uses "Reply-All, by default, it will go to me and the list. Accepting the default is not forcing them to change. You are exercising your choice by putting in a 'Mail-Follow-Up' header that only sends it to the list if they reply to all. OTOH, you are trying to take away my choice of what others receive by default. Why are you trying to force people to take away other's choice? Where did you get that I'm asking for anything other than the default mail-client behavior? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 27 Jun 2018 15:18:11 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* L.A. Walsh [01-01-70 12:34]: [...]

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P.s. if you respond to me, and want me to see your reply in a reasonable time frame (or sometimes, "at all"), please be sure to send a copy to me as well as the list. They are sorted differently, locally. Thanks.

if you are not interested, unsubscribe.

Hello: Why do you think she is not interested? There can be several reasons why she wants some "more important" mails delivered directly to her mailbox too. For example she looks through the mailing list messages only occasionally, because she has no time to read it every day. In this case it is easy to miss messages. Or she wants to archive the original list messages for later use but don't want to read all of them. Her request is absolutely legitimate. Istvan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

so write a filter for your email client that sends her personal mail when you respond to a post that she might find interesting enough to read. after all, one would not seek to interrupt her busy day. for now, I am going to the kitcfhen to get another cup of coffee. no time for more, but I might see a response the next time I read the list. but I definitely do not want to read two copies of the same mail.

I corrected the header in the next email, it's not reply-to, It's Mail-follow-up to -- and this is a perfect example -- becaue it was sent to the list and not directly to you -- you missed it. When I respond to all on your emails, it only goes to lit. When I response to you, it only goes to you (which it wouldn't if reply-to was used and set to the list). Other people, when using reply-to, get the author, and when using reply-to-all, get the list and the author. That's normal behavior following RFC's. Some mailers have a reply-to-list option -- which only sends to the list. Your mails are setup so that you only get 1 copy. I only see one outgoing address when I respond to you (whether reply-to (author) or reply-to-all). That's why I'm saying -- if someone only wants one -- email can be configured to, by default only send to one or other (author or list). It's the choice of the author. I simply use the normal default -- which would send to both author and list and ask people to leave me on the distribution line when responding to me. I ask them to do *less work*. I don't ask them to add my name, by default, it should already be there with most mailers unless they've configured it otherwise. By using email defaults, everyone can be happy -- but you don't seem to either "get" that or "want it"...why? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-06-27 22:52, John Andersen wrote:

On 06/27/2018 12:17 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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courteous and expected email responses and the expected action in opensuse-* lists

As she explained elsewhere, the expected action in opensuse lists is reply to sender.

It is explicitly set up that way.

No, the expected action is to reply to the list only. It is in the rules somewhere. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

Hello, Am Donnerstag, 28. Juni 2018, 14:56:39 CEST schrieb L.A. Walsh:

That's normal behavior following RFC's. Some mailers have a reply-to-list option -- which only sends to the list.

Your mails are setup so that you only get 1 copy. I only see one outgoing address when I respond to you (whether reply-to (author) or reply-to-all).

That's why I'm saying -- if someone only wants one -- email can be configured to, by default only send to one or other (author or list). It's the choice of the author.

I simply use the normal default -- which would send to both author and list

You assume that "reply to all" is the default ;-) As you already mentioned, some mailers (I'd say "good mailers", but let's not start that discussion) have the "reply to list" option. Using "reply to list" is my default, and also seems to be the default for lots of other people here. "Reply to all" means (based on the mail I'm just typing) to send a copy to your inbox - I've seen you like that, but many people are annoyed by the superfluous additional mail copy. To make things more interesting, if someone answers my mail with "reply to all", that mail will already have me and you in CC, and some answers later, everybody gets a copy even if our ML server is down ;-))

and ask people to leave me on the distribution line when responding to me. I ask them to do *less work*. I don't ask them to add my name, by default, it should already be there with most mailers unless they've configured it otherwise.

For me it's more work because I have to use an unusual way of answering ("just" pressing another key - but if you remember that after you've already written half of the reply, it isn't that easy anymore). Also, if someone answers my mail with "reply to all" it's more work for me because I have to check and delete the duplicate in my inbox, while the mailinglist copy goes directly into the folder of the respective mailinglist.

By using email defaults, everyone can be happy -- but you don't seem to either "get" that or "want it"...why?

See above - for me, your way means more work. I'll avoid the words "right" or "wrong" ;-) - but nevertheless, I'm thankful for everybody who uses "reply to list" to avoid superfluous copies in my inbox, and the majority of people in this discussion seem to share this opinion. Regards, Christian Boltz PS: non-random signature from 10 years ago about "missing" Reply-To headers ;-) -- We voted and a big majority wanted it this way. So dont blame this on me. p.s. Although you can share-blame it on me. I was one of the peepz who voted for it ;) [Henne Vogelsang in opensuse-factory] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Dave Howorth [06-28-18 15:40]: [...]

FWIW, if you want a private copy sent to you as well, then the onus is on YOU to set a Reply-To header to yourself to say that. And that mechanism works. No need to ask others to do anything on your behalf.

then her "Reply-To:" mudging needs to also include the list addr or *only* a private reply will be sent. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 29/06/2018 à 12:25, Istvan Gabor a écrit :

of the message directly to her email address too. You don't do a favor for her, you do a favor for yourself (provided you want a reply from her).

sure, but very difficult to remember one special config among dozzens... often I no even know to whom I answer :-( jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 29/06/2018 à 13:47, Peter Suetterlin a écrit :

Christian Boltz wrote:

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Using "reply to list" is my default, and also seems to be the default for lots of other people here.

Is it still working for you? I now have to group-reply and edit recipients :((

it's working for me (thunderbird, 42.3) jdd -- http://dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

appears in every post from the listserver for this list X-Mailinglist: opensuse

Yes. This *used* to be the case. Have you checked lately?

add to ~/.muttrc lists opensuse subscribe opensuse

It worked without this before. Maybe you have this in (I don't), and therefore didn't notice the X-Mailinglist entry is gone? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Peter Suetterlin [06-29-18 08:16]:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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appears in every post from the listserver for this list X-Mailinglist: opensuse

Yes. This *used* to be the case. Have you checked lately?

from this/your post: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 13:14:28 +0100 From: Peter Suetterlin To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse] Reply-to-List (was default replies in email) Message-ID: <20180629121428.modzzxxxfrsnz4ik@speedy> References: <5B2F1B32.2080009@tlinx.org> <20180628124106.57uezf2axusrvzoj@wahoo.no-ip.org> <5B34DB07.3040707@tlinx.org> <2067593.vC1Y5oWsAd@tux.boltz.de.vu> <20180629114753.a7h2366ujgyr4p3h@speedy> <20180629120502.n52fbgjhdzscvavo@wahoo.no-ip.org> Precedence: bulk Mailing-List: contact opensuse+help@opensuse.org; run by mlmmj *-> X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:opensuse+help@opensuse.org List-Subscribe: mailto:opensuse+subscribe@opensuse.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org List-Owner: mailto:opensuse+owner@opensuse.org List-Archive: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/ X-MIME-Notice: attachments may have been removed from this message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180629120502.n52fbgjhdzscvavo@wahoo.no-ip.org> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170421 (1.8.2) X-Envelope-From: opensuse+bounces-210342-paka=opensuse.org@opensuse.org Lines: 19

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add to ~/.muttrc lists opensuse subscribe opensuse

It worked without this before. Maybe you have this in (I don't), and therefore didn't notice the X-Mailinglist entry is gone?

yes, I have used it for years and it still appears and works for opensuse lists. (still) that may change as all things do but has been consistant for a loong time. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

from this/your post:

Precedence: bulk Mailing-List: contact opensuse+help@opensuse.org; run by mlmmj *-> X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:opensuse+help@opensuse.org List-Subscribe: mailto:opensuse+subscribe@opensuse.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org List-Owner: mailto:opensuse+owner@opensuse.org List-Archive: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/

Aaah, interesting! I do *not* have those in my mail. Only the three I listed. So it must be Stockholm University mailer that is kicking those out. Well, what do you expect, we/they had migrated to Exchange :(( Guess I'll move opensuse mail subscriptions back to my own mailserver.... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Peter Suetterlin wrote:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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from this/your post:

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Precedence: bulk Mailing-List: contact opensuse+help@opensuse.org; run by mlmmj *-> X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:opensuse+help@opensuse.org List-Subscribe: mailto:opensuse+subscribe@opensuse.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org List-Owner: mailto:opensuse+owner@opensuse.org List-Archive: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/

Aaah, interesting! I do *not* have those in my mail. Only the three I listed.

So it must be Stockholm University mailer that is kicking those out.

I have to say - that is just downright stupid. Maybe talk to the postmaster? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (25.8°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Bengt Gördén [06-29-18 14:04]:

On 2018-06-29 17:27, Per Jessen wrote:

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I have to say - that is just downright stupid. Maybe talk to the postmaster?

You would probably just be confronted with "X- is deprecated". Which it is. The use of X- is deprecated since years ago and where there there are standardized headers you should use them instead. In this case List-Id has been standardized since 2005 and may I point out, by Jacob Palme emeritus professor at su.se :)

ref.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4021

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6648

then it is siimple to look for List-Post:.*opensuse insteadof using the depricated for years but still *commonly* used X-<whatever> -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bengt Gördén wrote:

On 2018-06-29 17:27, Per Jessen wrote:

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I have to say - that is just downright stupid. Maybe talk to the postmaster?

You would probably just be confronted with "X- is deprecated". Which it is.

I wasn't specifically talking about the X- header, but more about the List- ditto. Besides, even if a header is deprecated, it does not mean an MTA should be removing them. An MUA may not want to use them, that's all. I stand by what I said. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.6°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2018-06-28 16:37, L.A. Walsh wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Yes, it has. IF you are using the openSUSE currently supplied TB for Leap.

---     I use windows as desktop and linux as server (thus mail server+host)

    so not using using linux TB...but a Windows TB.

Possibly an ancient Windows version of Thunderbird. My Windows TB has a reply to list button and that's what I use, either in Linux or Windows. Except when I remember that you want a direct copy. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)

On 2018-06-29 14:19, Peter Suetterlin wrote:

Peter Suetterlin wrote:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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appears in every post from the listserver for this list X-Mailinglist: opensuse

Yes. This *used* to be the case. Have you checked lately?

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add to ~/.muttrc lists opensuse subscribe opensuse

It worked without this before. Maybe you have this in (I don't), and therefore didn't notice the X-Mailinglist entry is gone?

PS: Might actually be the List-Post entry that is missing?

Old: X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:opensuse+help@opensuse.org List-Subscribe: mailto:opensuse+subscribe@opensuse.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org List-Owner: mailto:opensuse+owner@opensuse.org List-Archive: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/

New: List-Help: mailto:opensuse+help@opensuse.org List-Subscribe: mailto:opensuse+subscribe@opensuse.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org

No, List-Post is still there. And so is X-Mailinglist. I get: Precedence: bulk Mailing-List: contact opensuse+help@opensuse.org; run by mlmmj X-Mailinglist: opensuse List-Post: mailto:opensuse@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:opensuse+help@opensuse.org List-Subscribe: mailto:opensuse+subscribe@opensuse.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org List-Owner: mailto:opensuse+owner@opensuse.org List-Archive: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/ X-MIME-Notice: attachments may have been removed from this message MIME-Version: 1.0 -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.3 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)