[opensuse] Novell for sale.
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance. Fred http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214QN2010030 -- There are none so blind as those who will not open their eyes (liberals) because dogma is more important than the truth! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am 03.03.2010 08:13, schrieb Fred A. Miller:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
Fred, your link doesn't work: 404 not found You cut off the final 3, the correct link is: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214QN20100303 Martin -- Rieke Computersysteme GmbH Hellerholz 5 D-82061 Neuried Email: martin@rhm.de HRB Muenchen 73617 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 08:19 +0100, Martin Jungowski wrote:
Am 03.03.2010 08:13, schrieb Fred A. Miller:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
Fred, your link doesn't work: 404 not found You cut off the final 3, the correct link is: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214QN20100303
Martin
Was just checking my bank-account.... Just missing some odd euro's ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Martin Jungowski wrote:
Am 03.03.2010 08:13, schrieb Fred A. Miller:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
Fred, your link doesn't work: 404 not found You cut off the final 3, the correct link is: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214QN20100303
Martin
It isn't for "sale". It's an offer to buy up shares, which are always on sale, if some share holder wants to sell. IBM owns a chunk IIRC. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Martin Jungowski wrote:
Am 03.03.2010 08:13, schrieb Fred A. Miller:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
Fred, your link doesn't work: 404 not found You cut off the final 3, the correct link is: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214QN20100303
Martin
It isn't for "sale". It's an offer to buy up shares, which are always on sale, if some share holder wants to sell. IBM owns a chunk IIRC.
Every couple of years or so Novell gets linked to buy out talks with other companies within the I.T industry (usually IBM or Microsoft), and these normally come to nothing. The unusual thing in this case is that this a financial fund that has assessed that Novell's share market value seems to be less than the company's actual capital value making it a suitable acquisition target. If it succeeds any further decision making will likely be made by 'bean counters' rather than those with a background in the industry, which could be quite destructive. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/03/novell_mulls_elliott_offer/ and http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/03/novell_elliott_take_private/ Give a slightly different analysis of the offer, and other likely players.... BTW OpenSuSE is only a part of Novells operation (although a significant part maybe), the original SuSE acquisition probably had more to do with a need to find an alternative to the declining Netware based revenue stream than any particular commitment to FOSS (the code bases for NDS, Netware and e-Directory AFAIK still definitely closed source). - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuPwbQACgkQasN0sSnLmgL0cQCfZxfK5nGdIhgiiP4yHZFZ4rs5 HmMAoNrzQG014H42AnlZmQLrD+w7m9Ox =bOm9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 03/03/10 18:13, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
A five year deal with Microsoft to dump Novell/SUSE Nov 08, 2006 By Nicholas Petreley <http://www.linuxjournal.com/user/801587> <================XX Wake up little SUSE, Wake up. No, that's not good enough. Wake up SUSE customers, wake up. Novell is jeopardizing the future of Linux for its own short-term rewards. If you want to see Linux flourish, let alone survive after Novell's five year deal with Microsoft expires, I suggest we make an alternative five year deal with Microsoft. In this case, our part of the deal is to spend the next five minutes, months, or years migrating away from every shred of Novell/SUSE software in our home, office, or enterprise. The controversial agreement between Microsoft and Novell stinks to high heaven. Look, for example, at the contradictory statements. Take this quote from the Novell FAQ on the agreement <http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensource.html>: Novell makes no admission that its Linux and open source offerings infringe on any other parties' patents. How does that jibe with the following quote from Microsoft General Counsel Brad Smith? "We addressed the proprietary issues through the net up-front payment. The open-source we addressed through the percentage of revenue." The "percentage of revenue" to which Brad Smith is referring is Novell's payment to Microsoft so that Microsoft will not sue SUSE customers for patent infringement. Wait. Didn't we just read that no such infringements exist? If Novell is paying Microsoft a percentage of its revenue from sales of SUSE Linux as part of a covenant from Microsoft not to sue SUSE customers for patent infringement in open source code, then is this not a tacit admission that Novell's Linux and open source offerings infringe on other parties' patents, particularly Microsoft's patents? How can one interpret this any other way? Why would Novell pay Microsoft not to sue its customers over patent infrigements Novell says do not exist? http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/1000121 -- A boiled egg is hard to beat. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 03/03/2010 01:50 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/03/10 18:13, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
A five year deal with Microsoft to dump Novell/SUSE
Nov 08, 2006 By Nicholas Petreley <http://www.linuxjournal.com/user/801587> <================XX
Wake up little SUSE, Wake up. No, that's not good enough. Wake up SUSE customers, wake up. Novell is jeopardizing the future of Linux for its own short-term rewards. If you want to see Linux flourish, let alone survive after Novell's five year deal with Microsoft expires, I suggest we make an alternative five year deal with Microsoft. In this case, our part of the deal is to spend the next five minutes, months, or years migrating away from every shred of Novell/SUSE software in our home, office, or enterprise.
The controversial agreement between Microsoft and Novell stinks to high heaven. Look, for example, at the contradictory statements.
Take this quote from the Novell FAQ on the agreement <http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensource.html>:
Novell makes no admission that its Linux and open source offerings infringe on any other parties' patents.
How does that jibe with the following quote from Microsoft General Counsel Brad Smith?
"We addressed the proprietary issues through the net up-front payment. The open-source we addressed through the percentage of revenue."
The "percentage of revenue" to which Brad Smith is referring is Novell's payment to Microsoft so that Microsoft will not sue SUSE customers for patent infringement.
Wait. Didn't we just read that no such infringements exist? If Novell is paying Microsoft a percentage of its revenue from sales of SUSE Linux as part of a covenant from Microsoft not to sue SUSE customers for patent infringement in open source code, then is this not a tacit admission that Novell's Linux and open source offerings infringe on other parties' patents, particularly Microsoft's patents? How can one interpret this any other way? Why would Novell pay Microsoft not to sue its customers over patent infrigements Novell says do not exist?
Nothing tanks a business faster than uncertainty. From the employees job security standpoint to market direction if uncertainty slithers in all bets are off. As for the migration? Easy answer - Arch Linux :p (btw. Basil, if you're still having problems, drop me a line ;-) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 02:01:40AM -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 03/03/2010 01:50 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/03/10 18:13, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
Nothing tanks a business faster than uncertainty. From the employees job security standpoint to market direction if uncertainty slithers in all bets are off. As for the migration? Easy answer - Arch Linux :p
(btw. Basil, if you're still having problems, drop me a line ;-)
? Someone made an unsolicited *offer* to buy Novell. It does not mean that it gets accepted by default, or at all. You are spreading FUD more than anything else. ;) ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 03/03/10 19:05, Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 02:01:40AM -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 03/03/2010 01:50 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/03/10 18:13, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
Nothing tanks a business faster than uncertainty. From the employees job security standpoint to market direction if uncertainty slithers in all bets are off. As for the migration? Easy answer - Arch Linux :p
(btw. Basil, if you're still having problems, drop me a line ;-)
?
Someone made an unsolicited *offer* to buy Novell. It does not mean that it gets accepted by default, or at all.
You are spreading FUD more than anything else. ;)
ciao, Marcus
Marcus, you is all confus-ed, not to mention some others :-) . Fred posted a message titled, "Novell for sale". I only posted an URL to a message which appeared in some article written way back in November 2006 as a response to Fred Miller's original post. So, who is spreading FUD? Nobody here. Fred posted something recently written in the world's press; I referred to something written back in 2006 in the world's press. Why not take issue with the authors of those articles which Fred quoted, and I quoted, rather than single me out as the subject for an 'ad hominem' attack? If 'you' people live in ivory towers and do not read the world press then please do not accuse persons in these openSUSE fora as spreading FUD by simply quoting what that world press states about Novell/openSUSE. Is it a deal? :-) Oh, BTW, what has happened to Joe Brockmeier? BC -- A boiled egg is hard to beat. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 03 March 2010 12:05:31 am Marcus Meissner wrote:
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 02:01:40AM -0600, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 03/03/2010 01:50 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/03/10 18:13, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
Nothing tanks a business faster than uncertainty. From the employees job security standpoint to market direction if uncertainty slithers in all bets are off. As for the migration? Easy answer - Arch Linux :p
(btw. Basil, if you're still having problems, drop me a line ;-)
?
Someone made an unsolicited *offer* to buy Novell. It does not mean that it gets accepted by default, or at all.
You are spreading FUD more than anything else. ;)
ciao, Marcus
Doesn't have to be "accepted" Marcus. At least not by Novell. Only 17% of stock is held by insiders. 72% is held by mutual fund and institutional holders. Novell itself has nothing at all to say in this matter. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=NOVL -- __________________________________________________________ Somebody stoled my tag line, so now I have this rental... JSA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 03/03/10 19:01, David C. Rankin wrote: [pruned, for Patrick's sake]
Nothing tanks a business faster than uncertainty. From the employees job security standpoint to market direction if uncertainty slithers in all bets are off. As for the migration? Easy answer - Arch Linux :p
(btw. Basil, if you're still having problems, drop me a line ;-)
A very brief answer - I am unable to sit down for more a few minutes...and no, not because of anything to do with a "bunch of grapes" :-) but because of my hip.. The Arch thing does not appear to be my cup of tea as I am no longer inclined to seriously experiment with, nor fight against, the software I am using :-) . I think that I have reached the conclusion, at this point in time at least, is that I will change over to Kubuntu if things pan out as what is showing up in the crystal balls over the place. "Where there is smoke, there is fire.." BC -- A boiled egg is hard to beat. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On 03/03/2010 10:20 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
I think that I have reached the conclusion, at this point in time at least, is that I will change over to Kubuntu
Praise the Lord! There is hope. I feel a bit ashamed because i like *ubuntu, but sometimes you have think of yourself first. Please go to Kubuntu Basil. This would be the first positive thing you would bring to this community! :) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 10:28 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hi,
On 03/03/2010 10:20 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
I think that I have reached the conclusion, at this point in time at least, is that I will change over to Kubuntu
Praise the Lord! There is hope. I feel a bit ashamed because i like *ubuntu, but sometimes you have think of yourself first. Please go to Kubuntu Basil. This would be the first positive thing you would bring to this community! :)
Henne, I've been migrating my systems over to Ubuntu for a bit now. Mostly, like Basil, I wish to just use the software rather than deal with the quirks that I keep running into. Ubuntu's overall community seems to be headed or gone in the places that I wish to go. I'm not slagging SuSE, I'm just feeling much more consumerish, than geekish. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 10:28 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hi,
On 03/03/2010 10:20 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
I think that I have reached the conclusion, at this point in time at least, is that I will change over to Kubuntu Praise the Lord! There is hope. I feel a bit ashamed because i like *ubuntu, but sometimes you have think of yourself first. Please go to Kubuntu Basil. This would be the first positive thing you would bring to this community! :)
Henne, I've been migrating my systems over to Ubuntu for a bit now. Mostly, like Basil, I wish to just use the software rather than deal with the quirks that I keep running into.
Good luck with that, if you think Ubuntu (not to harp on them) just works I am sure you will have your surprises.
Ubuntu's overall community seems to be headed or gone in the places that I wish to go. I'm not slagging SuSE, I'm just feeling much more consumerish, than geekish.
-- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU Software Engineer Consultant LINUX rschweikert@novell.com 781-464-8147 Novell Making IT Work As One -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hey Mike, On 03/03/2010 07:45 PM, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 10:28 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 03/03/2010 10:20 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
I think that I have reached the conclusion, at this point in time at least, is that I will change over to Kubuntu
Praise the Lord! There is hope. I feel a bit ashamed because i like *ubuntu, but sometimes you have think of yourself first. Please go to Kubuntu Basil. This would be the first positive thing you would bring to this community! :)
Henne, I've been migrating my systems over to Ubuntu for a bit now. Mostly, like Basil, I wish to just use the software rather than deal with the quirks that I keep running into. Ubuntu's overall community seems to be headed or gone in the places that I wish to go. I'm not slagging SuSE, I'm just feeling much more consumerish, than geekish.
I'm happy for you. Please use whatever FOSS distribution fits you best. If that's Ubuntu then its Ubuntu! I work together with others on openSUSE so it helps many people to fulfill their computing needs and if you're not one of them thats fine. The only thing I'm interested in is bringing this distribution and FOSS forward (so you better not wander off to some proprietary OS or I'll come and get you! ;) For me and a lot of other figures in this movement this never has been and never will be about Ubuntu vs. openSUSE, KDE vs. GNOME or Emacs vs. Vim. We are way beyond that and i challenge all of you to get to this point too. Distro- or for that matter any other FOSS flamewars are just so booooooring. This is about getting the most out of this for YOU as individuals so the answer can just be some individual truth, like Ubuntu is what Mike is seeking for, and not something universal. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 21:27 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey Mike,
On 03/03/2010 07:45 PM, Mike McMullin wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 10:28 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
On 03/03/2010 10:20 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
I think that I have reached the conclusion, at this point in time at least, is that I will change over to Kubuntu
Praise the Lord! There is hope. I feel a bit ashamed because i like *ubuntu, but sometimes you have think of yourself first. Please go to Kubuntu Basil. This would be the first positive thing you would bring to this community! :)
Henne, I've been migrating my systems over to Ubuntu for a bit now. Mostly, like Basil, I wish to just use the software rather than deal with the quirks that I keep running into. Ubuntu's overall community seems to be headed or gone in the places that I wish to go. I'm not slagging SuSE, I'm just feeling much more consumerish, than geekish.
I'm happy for you. Please use whatever FOSS distribution fits you best. If that's Ubuntu then its Ubuntu! I work together with others on openSUSE so it helps many people to fulfill their computing needs and if you're not one of them thats fine. The only thing I'm interested in is bringing this distribution and FOSS forward (so you better not wander off to some proprietary OS or I'll come and get you! ;)
Not going to happen, though there are times that my tv card woudl have worked better under the crappy Windows software than under the Linux software available. (It's mostly a bitch about Olympics info that isn't as accurate as I want it to be. I had to grab both Canadian and American feeds to get everything that I wanted, but that is not oS' responsibility, that the app writers/info providers responsibility.) One big major bitch is the sound card on the system, it's a 5.2 card, and it just stopped working after a kernel update in oS, but not in Ubuntu (booted it side by side for comparison purposes). lirc and udev for the tv card were a nightmare in oS, but Ubuntu had all of the info available, because more folks had questions about it, and until the update of lirc (.pid moved location), it worked like the proverbial cat's behind.
For me and a lot of other figures in this movement this never has been and never will be about Ubuntu vs. openSUSE, KDE vs. GNOME or Emacs vs. Vim. We are way beyond that and i challenge all of you to get to this point too. Distro- or for that matter any other FOSS flamewars are just so booooooring.
Well oddly enough, my next scheduled install is the current release of oS. For my everyday heavy lifting needs, Ubuntu will have to fill the bill, but I'm gonna track oS to see how it's more consumer side (i.e. non-corporate) matures.
This is about getting the most out of this for YOU as individuals so the answer can just be some individual truth, like Ubuntu is what Mike is seeking for, and not something universal.
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On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Mike McMullin <mwmcmlln@mnsi.net> wrote:
Henne, I've been migrating my systems over to Ubuntu for a bit now. Mostly, like Basil, I wish to just use the software rather than deal with the quirks that I keep running into. Ubuntu's overall community seems to be headed or gone in the places that I wish to go. I'm not slagging SuSE, I'm just feeling much more consumerish, than geekish.
Good luck, hope you get a nice experience with Ubuntu. It's a free & open source world, so you have free option to decided which distro fit with your requirement. Me, myself, have different experience with Ubuntu until then move to openSUSE but it's the other story. -- Best Regards, Masim "Vavai" Sugianto /************************************************************/ Blog (ID) : http://www.vavai.com Blog (EN) : http://www.vavai.net /************************************************************/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 18:50 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/03/10 18:13, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance. Fred http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214QN2010030 A five year deal with Microsoft to dump Novell/SUSE Nov 08, 2006 By Nicholas Petreley <http://www.linuxjournal.com/user/801587> <================XX Wake up little SUSE, Wake up. No, that's not good enough. Wake up SUSE customers, wake up. Novell is jeopardizing the future of Linux for its own short-term rewards.
Maybe there is a reason people don't subscribe to the offtopic list? Hmmm... Because we don't want to be pelted with senseless inflammatory ignorant tripe. You've accomplished a lot - now fewer people will subscribe to this list too. Thanks for helping Linux thrive by worsening the signal-to-noise ratio. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 18:50 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/03/10 18:13, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance. Fred http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214QN2010030
A five year deal with Microsoft to dump Novell/SUSE Nov 08, 2006 By Nicholas Petreley <http://www.linuxjournal.com/user/801587> <================XX Wake up little SUSE, Wake up. No, that's not good enough. Wake up SUSE customers, wake up. Novell is jeopardizing the future of Linux for its own short-term rewards.
Maybe there is a reason people don't subscribe to the offtopic list? Hmmm... Because we don't want to be pelted with senseless inflammatory ignorant tripe.
You've accomplished a lot - now fewer people will subscribe to this list too. Thanks for helping Linux thrive by worsening the signal-to-noise ratio. WELL, I for one ain't going anywhere - I LOVE openSUSE - unless things completely disintegrate or Microsucks buys them.
Besides, I have not - played with - anything that even comes close to openSUSE and it's software repositories. Duaine -- Duaine Hechler Piano, Player Piano, Pump Organ Tuning, Servicing & Rebuilding Reed Organ Society Member Florissant, MO 63034 (314) 838-5587 dahechler@att.net www.hechlerpianoandorgan.com -- Home & Business user of Linux - 10 years -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 08:37 -0600, Duaine Hechler wrote:
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 18:50 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/03/10 18:13, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance. Fred http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214QN2010030 A five year deal with Microsoft to dump Novell/SUSE Nov 08, 2006 By Nicholas Petreley <http://www.linuxjournal.com/user/801587> <================XX Wake up little SUSE, Wake up. No, that's not good enough. Wake up SUSE customers, wake up. Novell is jeopardizing the future of Linux for its own short-term rewards. Maybe there is a reason people don't subscribe to the offtopic list? Hmmm... Because we don't want to be pelted with senseless inflammatory ignorant tripe You've accomplished a lot - now fewer people will subscribe to this list too. Thanks for helping Linux thrive by worsening the signal-to-noise ratio. WELL, I for one ain't going anywhere - I LOVE openSUSE - unless things completely disintegrate or Microsucks buys them.
Agree. (a) the aforementioned article is meaningless. (b) the M$/Novell deal is a trivial issue that ignorant whacka-doodles can't stop crowing about. Open Source [the community], IMO, will be much better off if it adopts a zero-tolerance policy for such inanity/stupidity. See the "Makes accusations of conspiracy (paranoia)" section of the excellent <http://jeffreystedfast.blogspot.com/2008/06/how-to-survive-poisonous-people.html>. Also, all the FUDsters should be pounded with as many e-mails as they generate - all containing a link to <http://www.jprl.com/Blog/archive/development/mono/2009/Jan-19.html> (which has to do with Mono, but applies generally to all the crap these guys won't stop yammering about).
Besides, I have not - played with - anything that even comes close to openSUSE and it's software repositories.
Ditto. -- openSUSE w/GNOME <http://www.opensuse.org/en/> Linux for human beings who need to get work done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 03/03/10 22:37, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 18:50 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/03/10 18:13, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance. Fred http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214QN2010030
A five year deal with Microsoft to dump Novell/SUSE Nov 08, 2006 By Nicholas Petreley <http://www.linuxjournal.com/user/801587> <================XX Wake up little SUSE, Wake up. No, that's not good enough. Wake up SUSE customers, wake up. Novell is jeopardizing the future of Linux for its own short-term rewards.
Maybe there is a reason people don't subscribe to the offtopic list? Hmmm... Because we don't want to be pelted with senseless inflammatory ignorant tripe.
You've accomplished a lot - now fewer people will subscribe to this list too. Thanks for helping Linux thrive by worsening the signal-to-noise ratio.
You don't really know what you are talking about, do you? You are simply "a follower", aren't you? The article which I referenced above was posted on the internet in November 2006. Have you got this date....November 2006. It is now March 2010. Are you with me "tree [person]" (as Neil Diamond asked of his audience during, "Hot August Night")? :-) (One of the greatest recordings of a live performance of the century!) And I do not recall posting that article in offtopic. If I am wrong about this then please let me know, and I will acknowledge my mistake. OHHhhhh...BTW... the article which I referenced was not written by myself but by a person who writes for a world-wide syndicated press agency. Meaning, just in case it eludes you, that the comments are not mine but of someone who writes in the world press on the subject of IT. Have you been in a position of understanding of what I just stated? Luvly! So nice to know :-) . BC -- A boiled egg is hard to beat. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/03/10 22:37, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 18:50 +1100, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 03/03/10 18:13, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance. Fred http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214QN2010030
A five year deal with Microsoft to dump Novell/SUSE Nov 08, 2006 By Nicholas Petreley <http://www.linuxjournal.com/user/801587> <================XX Wake up little SUSE, Wake up. No, that's not good enough. Wake up SUSE customers, wake up. Novell is jeopardizing the future of Linux for its own short-term rewards.
Maybe there is a reason people don't subscribe to the offtopic list? Hmmm... Because we don't want to be pelted with senseless inflammatory ignorant tripe.
You've accomplished a lot - now fewer people will subscribe to this list too. Thanks for helping Linux thrive by worsening the signal-to-noise ratio.
You don't really know what you are talking about, do you?
You are simply "a follower", aren't you?
The article which I referenced above was posted on the internet in November 2006.
Have you got this date....November 2006.
It is now March 2010.
Yes it is, and the article you linked (3.5 years old) was and is completely irrelevant to the topic of the unsolicited buy out offer by Elliot LP.
Are you with me "tree [person]" (as Neil Diamond asked of his audience during, "Hot August Night")? :-) (One of the greatest recordings of a live performance of the century!)
And I do not recall posting that article in offtopic.
If I am wrong about this then please let me know, and I will acknowledge my mistake.
OHHhhhh...BTW... the article which I referenced was not written by myself but by a person who writes for a world-wide syndicated press agency.
Meaning, just in case it eludes you, that the comments are not mine but of someone who writes in the world press on the subject of IT.
Have you been in a position of understanding of what I just stated?
Luvly! So nice to know :-) .
BC
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Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
Hmmm... That URL is busted. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 11:38 -0500, James Knott wrote:
Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance. Fred http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214QN2010030 Hmmm... That URL is busted.
The original poster dropped a "3" of the end. <http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214QN20100303> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:13:37 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
Well, let's be clear here, an offer was made, that doesn't mean the company's for sale. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 3/3/2010 3:04 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:13:37 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
Well, let's be clear here, an offer was made, that doesn't mean the company's for sale.
Jim
As pointed out up-thread, A publicly traded company is ALWAYS for sale. Acquire 50.0000001% of the shares and you effective control the company. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:07:32 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On 3/3/2010 3:04 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:13:37 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
Well, let's be clear here, an offer was made, that doesn't mean the company's for sale.
Jim
As pointed out up-thread, A publicly traded company is ALWAYS for sale.
Acquire 50.0000001% of the shares and you effective control the company.
True enough, in other words, though, nothing to see here until an actual agreement is reached. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 23:04 +0000, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:13:37 -0500, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Many of you don't read the off-topic list, so I'll post this here because of it's importance.
Fred
Well, let's be clear here, an offer was made, that doesn't mean the company's for sale.
Yes let's be clear here. A minority investor with a track record of buying what it considers to be under performing companies has floated of taking Novell private. It's not "for sale", but it's being looked at as a buyable entity. The whole MS deal thing is bad blood, and overlooks things that are best explained by a former employee of Novell in his Seminar on disruptive technologies given at a Detroit Linux Conference a few years back. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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