[opensuse] How can I make Yast happy when JRE is installed?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi, As we know, openSUSE no longer provides updates for Java from Sun. We can install the JRE rpm from them, and remove the java-1_6 rpm, because JRE is an update of that one - but yast does not recognizes it as an update, and wants to install icetea-web. I had to taboo it. Then yast insisted and tried to install java-1_6_0_opnjdk. Again I said no and tabooed it. Then Yast insisted and wanted to install gcc-ijj - more or less in that order. I also tabooed it. Then YaST got mad at me and wanted to remove openoffice, and I told it to &&%%·$ itself and break dependencies. Is there some other way to make yast happy and recognize that Java IS indeed installed in the system? Perhaps a false java rpm with false provides? Do we need a bugzilla for this? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlA0Fz0ACgkQja8UbcUWM1wIqQD8Dlgt3yJFiTkS2VkNquBbBwb6 9vUhxlf+0uBsshKzA+YA/jHdFIDzjx9OTv/78LsLnXqOAteMk0ovyCXAyPfK5wrP =57kU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 01:18:21AM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
As we know, openSUSE no longer provides updates for Java from Sun. We can install the JRE rpm from them, and remove the java-1_6 rpm, because JRE is an update of that one - but yast does not recognizes it as an update, and wants to install icetea-web. I had to taboo it. Then yast insisted and tried to install java-1_6_0_opnjdk. Again I said no and tabooed it. Then Yast insisted and wanted to install gcc-ijj - more or less in that order. I also tabooed it.
Then YaST got mad at me and wanted to remove openoffice, and I told it to &&%%·$ itself and break dependencies.
Is there some other way to make yast happy and recognize that Java IS indeed installed in the system? Perhaps a false java rpm with false provides?
Do we need a bugzilla for this?
Yes. As not all package maintainers follow this list. Please file one and be this nice to report the issue ID as a clickable URL back to this thread. Thanks, Lars -- Lars Müller [ˈlaː(r)z ˈmʏlɐ] Samba Team + SUSE Labs SUSE Linux, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 01:18:21AM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
As we know, openSUSE no longer provides updates for Java from Sun. We can install the JRE rpm from them, and remove the java-1_6 rpm, because JRE is an update of that one - but yast does not recognizes it as an update, and wants to install icetea-web. I had to taboo it. Then yast insisted and tried to install java-1_6_0_opnjdk. Again I said no and tabooed it. Then Yast insisted and wanted to install gcc-ijj - more or less in that order. I also tabooed it.
Then YaST got mad at me and wanted to remove openoffice, and I told it to &&%%·$ itself and break dependencies.
Is there some other way to make yast happy and recognize that Java IS indeed installed in the system? Perhaps a false java rpm with false provides?
Do we need a bugzilla for this?
Yes. As not all package maintainers follow this list.
Please file one and be this nice to report the issue ID as a clickable URL back to this thread. Just a suggestion: instead of an empty "placeholder" package, why not a
On 22/08/12 09:22, Lars Müller wrote: script that would download the JRE or JDK from Oracle, like its done for MS TTF with "fetchmsttfonts" ? Ph. A. -- *Philippe Andersson* Unix System Administrator IBA Particle Therapy | Tel: +32-10-475.983 Fax: +32-10-487.707 eMail: pan@iba-group.com http://www.iba-worldwide.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-22 09:36, Philippe Andersson wrote:
Just a suggestion: instead of an empty "placeholder" package, why not a script that would download the JRE or JDK from Oracle, like its done for MS TTF with "fetchmsttfonts" ?
I added your suggestion, I like it. I'd be happy with a placeholder, but happier with a fetch script :-) However, many people have already downloaded jre. the script would redownload it. Mmmm, and perhaps an updated script could be added to the update repo each time jre needs an update... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlA063kACgkQIvFNjefEBxqlMQCgsnvPB27cu1fJFgH1+B/PVHbV geEAn0yv9Zj5sl22DzDmgBqGjWYioTLe =ZCQQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Carlos E. R.
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On 2012-08-22 09:36, Philippe Andersson wrote:
Just a suggestion: instead of an empty "placeholder" package, why not a script that would download the JRE or JDK from Oracle, like its done for MS TTF with "fetchmsttfonts" ?
I added your suggestion, I like it. I'd be happy with a placeholder, but happier with a fetch script :-)
Just for reference... someone has already tinkered with thsi idea from hte looks of it.. https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?project=home%3Awildnux&package=oracle-java-installer I've installed this RPM and I got Java 1.7.. works OK. C. -- openSUSE 12.1 x86_64, KDE 4.9.0 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed 22 Aug 2012 at 4:36:43 (-0300 UTC) Philippe Andersson wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 01:18:21AM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
As we know, openSUSE no longer provides updates for Java from Sun. We can install the JRE rpm from them, and remove the java-1_6 rpm, because JRE is an update of that one - but yast does not recognizes it as an update, and wants to install icetea-web. I had to taboo it. Then yast insisted and tried to install java-1_6_0_opnjdk. Again I said no and tabooed it. Then Yast insisted and wanted to install gcc-ijj - more or less in that order. I also tabooed it.
Then YaST got mad at me and wanted to remove openoffice, and I told it to &&%%·$ itself and break dependencies.
Is there some other way to make yast happy and recognize that Java IS indeed installed in the system? Perhaps a false java rpm with false provides?
Do we need a bugzilla for this?
Yes. As not all package maintainers follow this list.
Please file one and be this nice to report the issue ID as a clickable URL back to this thread. Just a suggestion: instead of an empty "placeholder" package, why not a
On 22/08/12 09:22, Lars Müller wrote: script that would download the JRE or JDK from Oracle, like its done for MS TTF with "fetchmsttfonts" ?
Ph. A.
+1 As the Ubuntu script from http://www.duinsoft.nl/packages.php?t=en Cheers, -- Marco Calistri <amdturion> "Do not worry about which side your bread is buttered on: you eat BOTH sides." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-22 09:22, Lars Müller wrote:
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 01:18:21AM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Do we need a bugzilla for this?
Yes. As not all package maintainers follow this list.
Done! Thanks for the confirmation.
Please file one and be this nice to report the issue ID as a clickable URL back to this thread.
Bug 776951 - How can we make Yast happy when JRE is installed? https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=776951 - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlA06uQACgkQIvFNjefEBxo3sgCgp/zUU99BQHeiwueAwxaMOyXY vgsAoL91LtTAcQsRjSICmNWyP5v1E0qA =CHmL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/22/2012 01:18 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Is there some other way to make yast happy and recognize that Java IS indeed installed in the system? Perhaps a false java rpm with false provides?
Hi Carlos, java has always been a bit different ... I usually install the JDK somewhere in my application directory, and just use the environment variables like PATH, JAVA_HOME etc. to point my application to use it. Have a nice day, Berny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/22/2012 01:18 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Is there some other way to make yast happy and recognize that Java IS indeed installed in the system?
i also failed (ignorance?) to move from SUN Java 6 to 7 on my 11.4 day-before-last--the same day my banks locked me out because i was running 'old' and 'dangerous' software! tried it with YaST Software Management and then zypper...both installed ok but neither Firefox nor Chrome could find/use it.. then tried the SLE way http://www.novell.com/support/kb/doc.php?id=7010472 which also didn't work (a BIG surprise, i didn't know SLE_ was *that* different..) then in a forum thread http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=467910 found a link to http://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/java-for-opensuse which (despite the tedious) "just worked": denverd@linux:~> java -version java version "1.7.0_05" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_05-b06) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 23.1-b03, mixed mode) denverd@linux:~> *and* Chrome, Chromium, and Firefox found and used 7 out-of-the-box as expected Opera, Konqueror, links, and lynx were stymied :( http://susepaste.org/42286421 dd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-22 12:12, DenverD wrote:
On 08/22/2012 01:18 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Is there some other way to make yast happy and recognize that Java IS indeed installed in the system?
i also failed (ignorance?) to move from SUN Java 6 to 7 on my 11.4 day-before-last--the same day my banks locked me out because i was running 'old' and 'dangerous' software!
tried it with YaST Software Management and then zypper...both installed ok but neither Firefox nor Chrome could find/use it..
I'm using 1.6 JRE because that's the one that they assume I have installed. Banks, institutions, code generated for windows that also works in Linux and which balks if java is from a different vendor with strange errors... so yes, I have to use JRE. I'm not a java expert and do not know how to tell each java program which of the installed java versions to use, except to make another one the default java with the updatealternatives thing.
denverd@linux:~> java -version java version "1.7.0_05" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_05-b06) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 23.1-b03, mixed mode) denverd@linux:~>
cer@Telcontar:~> java -version java version "1.6.0_33" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_33-b04) Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.8-b03, mixed mode) cer@Telcontar:~> It is simple, I just install their rpm and make it the default java with update alternatives. I might also install 1.7 and find out what works with it and what not. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlA07NcACgkQIvFNjefEBxoZrACfW8NrxnT9TzNG6yQRcd+a+L43 o1MAoIhLoNPlewZe6atwIMNI8QQjcV2X =ZQsK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 16:29 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2012-08-22 12:12, DenverD wrote:
On 08/22/2012 01:18 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Is there some other way to make yast happy and recognize that Java IS indeed installed in the system?
i also failed (ignorance?) to move from SUN Java 6 to 7 on my 11.4 day-before-last--the same day my banks locked me out because i was running 'old' and 'dangerous' software!
tried it with YaST Software Management and then zypper...both installed ok but neither Firefox nor Chrome could find/use it..
I'm using 1.6 JRE because that's the one that they assume I have installed. Banks, institutions, code generated for windows that also works in Linux and which balks if java is from a different vendor with strange errors... so yes, I have to use JRE.
I'm not a java expert and do not know how to tell each java program which of the installed java versions to use, except to make another one the default java with the updatealternatives thing.
denverd@linux:~> java -version java version "1.7.0_05" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_05-b06) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 23.1-b03, mixed mode) denverd@linux:~>
cer@Telcontar:~> java -version java version "1.6.0_33" Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_33-b04) Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.8-b03, mixed mode) cer@Telcontar:~>
It is simple, I just install their rpm and make it the default java with update alternatives.
It would be useful to know which java components installed by openSUSE correspond to which Sun-supplied components. There is more than JRE, isn't there? After the Sun components are installed, I gather, for general use (browsers and such), there is no longer any need for any other Java implementations? Although java seems to be working on my 12.2 system, I think there is a bit of Java chaff still floating about the place... Yours sincerely, Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Office: Int +46 10-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 roger.oberholtzer@ramboll.se ________________________________________ Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden www.rambollrst.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-08-22 17:23, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
It would be useful to know which java components installed by openSUSE correspond to which Sun-supplied components. There is more than JRE, isn't there?
The JRE rpm from Sun/Oracle (I keep forgetting which is which, so don't waste time telling me ;-) ) replaces java-1_6_0-sun-alsa, java-1_6_0-sun-plugin, and java-1_6_0-sun.
After the Sun components are installed, I gather, for general use (browsers and such), there is no longer any need for any other Java implementations?
Programs are happy to use the JRE java, at least in 12.1. It is the rpm database which has a problem. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlA1BIwACgkQIvFNjefEBxpKBACg0DUfAjf4RPojOdIGr2xZRjHU a7kAn3fqKNIdPBUIJKySv2UYUSPh2b6Z =N1Ax -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 01:18:21 +0200, "Carlos E. R."
Is there some other way to make yast happy and recognize that Java IS indeed installed in the system? Perhaps a false java rpm with false provides?
I guess that's what's going to be needed. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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