[opensuse] vlc regressing?
A couple of days ago zypper installed a number of updates to the KDE 4.8 files I am using - including some to vlc. Of course following this, vlc would not work and I therefore had to do what everybody has been doing for a long time and that is install vlc from videolan.org as a "one-click install". Following this, vlc worked again - *BUT*, unlike to what has been the case for the past years, when I switch to another workspace/desktop vlc audio goes MUTE while vlc continues running, in the background, on the workspace where I always run it (Desktop #6). (This going mute is similar to what happens in, say, the game Pysol - Tri Peaks which goes into PAUSE mode when you switch to another desktop.) I also have xine installed but xine still behaves as it has over the years: the sound continues when I switch desktops. Has anyone else struck this annoyance and/or knows how to overcome this new behaviour by vlc, please? (BTW, there were some updates yet again to vlc earlier today [my time] but these have not changed anything. And Yes, I have checked the settings for anything obvious to cause this new behaviour - but probably missed the obvious one.) BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [02-12-12 01:11]:
A couple of days ago zypper installed a number of updates to the KDE 4.8 files I am using - including some to vlc.
Of course following this, vlc would not work and I therefore had to do what everybody has been doing for a long time and that is install vlc from videolan.org as a "one-click install".
Don't understand this maneuver. I haven't had to perform it. But I also do not use videolan repo; I use packman except for the codecs. Also, istr that there was problems mixing videolan/packman but do not know if that is still true.
Following this, vlc worked again - *BUT*, unlike to what has been the case for the past years, when I switch to another workspace/desktop vlc audio goes MUTE while vlc continues running, in the background, on the workspace where I always run it (Desktop #6). (This going mute is similar to what happens in, say, the game Pysol - Tri Peaks which goes into PAUSE mode when you switch to another desktop.)
I have not noticed this but recently have used clementine for streaming rather than vlc and may have missed noticing..... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 13/02/12 01:25, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> [02-12-12 01:11]:
A couple of days ago zypper installed a number of updates to the KDE 4.8 files I am using - including some to vlc.
Of course following this, vlc would not work and I therefore had to do what everybody has been doing for a long time and that is install vlc from videolan.org as a "one-click install". Don't understand this maneuver. I haven't had to perform it. But I also do not use videolan repo; I use packman except for the codecs.
I have been doing it this way for a very long time - for so long, in fact, that I don't bother doing it any other way.
Also, istr that there was problems mixing videolan/packman but do not know if that is still true.
I have heard this as well. I do have the packman repo selected and perhaps this is where the problem(s) come from; I don't know whether yesterday's update to vlc came from the packman repo.
Following this, vlc worked again - *BUT*, unlike to what has been the case for the past years, when I switch to another workspace/desktop vlc audio goes MUTE while vlc continues running, in the background, on the workspace where I always run it (Desktop #6). (This going mute is similar to what happens in, say, the game Pysol - Tri Peaks which goes into PAUSE mode when you switch to another desktop.) I have not noticed this but recently have used clementine for streaming rather than vlc and may have missed noticing.....
"Clementine"? First time I hear of it. Will go and look at it. (She doesn't wear shoeses which are herring boxes without topses, does she? :-) .) BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 13/02/12 01:25, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
A couple of days ago zypper installed a number of updates to the KDE 4.8 files I am using - including some to vlc.
Of course following this, vlc would not work and I therefore had to do what everybody has been doing for a long time and that is install vlc from videolan.org as a "one-click install". Don't understand this maneuver. I haven't had to perform it. But I also do not use videolan repo; I use packman except for the codecs. Also, istr
* Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> [02-12-12 01:11]: that there was problems mixing videolan/packman but do not know if that is still true.
Following this, vlc worked again - *BUT*, unlike to what has been the case for the past years, when I switch to another workspace/desktop vlc audio goes MUTE while vlc continues running, in the background, on the workspace where I always run it (Desktop #6). (This going mute is similar to what happens in, say, the game Pysol - Tri Peaks which goes into PAUSE mode when you switch to another desktop.) I have not noticed this but recently have used clementine for streaming rather than vlc and may have missed noticing.....
Ahh, further to what I wrote. I just had a look at clementine in the Software Manager and I don't want something to play audio file or stream music off the internet. vlc or xine can do that with ease. I use vlc, or xine, to watch television and/or record a TV program (using vlc, xine cannot do this) as my primary use of vlc. BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/02/12 17:09, Basil Chupin wrote:
A couple of days ago zypper installed a number of updates to the KDE 4.8 files I am using - including some to vlc.
Of course following this, vlc would not work and I therefore had to do what everybody has been doing for a long time and that is install vlc from videolan.org as a "one-click install".
Following this, vlc worked again - *BUT*, unlike to what has been the case for the past years, when I switch to another workspace/desktop vlc audio goes MUTE while vlc continues running, in the background, on the workspace where I always run it (Desktop #6). (This going mute is similar to what happens in, say, the game Pysol - Tri Peaks which goes into PAUSE mode when you switch to another desktop.)
I also have xine installed but xine still behaves as it has over the years: the sound continues when I switch desktops.
Has anyone else struck this annoyance and/or knows how to overcome this new behaviour by vlc, please?
(BTW, there were some updates yet again to vlc earlier today [my time] but these have not changed anything.
And Yes, I have checked the settings for anything obvious to cause this new behaviour - but probably missed the obvious one.)
I still have this problem with vlc in 12.1 as I describe above, but I finally got 12.2 Milestone 1 to install and behave properly. In 12.2 Milestone 1 vlc behaves as before and without losing sound when one changes the desktop/workspace. As there is no version of vlc in videolan.org for oS 12.2 yet I had to install vlc from (?)packman. Maybe this is where the difference lies? BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [02-15-12 07:01]:
I still have this problem with vlc in 12.1 as I describe above, but I finally got 12.2 Milestone 1 to install and behave properly.
In 12.2 Milestone 1 vlc behaves as before and without losing sound when one changes the desktop/workspace.
As there is no version of vlc in videolan.org for oS 12.2 yet I had to install vlc from (?)packman. Maybe this is where the difference lies?
Probably. I have 2 tumbleweeds, a 12.2 factory and an 11.2 evergreen and do not have the problem but I *only* use videolan for *the* restricted requirement not provided by packman. Usually their package versions of vlc are the same within a day or two. Good policy: don't mix-em[tm!]. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 16/02/12 01:22, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> [02-15-12 07:01]:
I still have this problem with vlc in 12.1 as I describe above, but I finally got 12.2 Milestone 1 to install and behave properly.
In 12.2 Milestone 1 vlc behaves as before and without losing sound when one changes the desktop/workspace.
As there is no version of vlc in videolan.org for oS 12.2 yet I had to install vlc from (?)packman. Maybe this is where the difference lies? Probably. I have 2 tumbleweeds, a 12.2 factory and an 11.2 evergreen and do not have the problem but I *only* use videolan for *the* restricted requirement not provided by packman. Usually their package versions of vlc are the same within a day or two. Good policy: don't mix-em[tm!].
Yes, as I already stated, I have heard "don't mix-em" but I have installed vlc from the videolan.org using the '1-click insall' there (and therefore have their repo in my list of repos), and also have both the packman and libdvdcss repos selected - and I have never had any problem until this last update a few days ago. Right now I cannot be bothered with trying to figure out how to get vlc to behave as it did before and so will carry on with xine until it is time to install 12.2 :-) . (I remember Peter Nikolic having lots of hassles with vlc not that long ago. I now wonder if his hassles were the result of what we are now talking about here: vlc from videolan.org vs vlc from packman? No matter though, I think he said he is dropping oS and going away to use Windows or something....... :-) .) BC -- Aspire to inspire before you expire. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [02-16-12 00:51]:
Yes, as I already stated, I have heard "don't mix-em" but I have installed vlc from the videolan.org using the '1-click insall' there (and therefore have their repo in my list of repos), and also have both the packman and libdvdcss repos selected - and I have never had any problem until this last update a few days ago.
Right now I cannot be bothered with trying to figure out how to get vlc to behave as it did before and so will carry on with xine until it is time to install 12.2 :-) .
zypper mr -d <videolan-repo> zypper dup --from <packman-repo> -D not a lot of effort for something that is "not working"/"unused"
(I remember Peter Nikolic having lots of hassles with vlc not that long ago. I now wonder if his hassles were the result of what we are now talking about here: vlc from videolan.org vs vlc from packman? No matter though, I think he said he is dropping oS and going away to use Windows or something....... :-) .)
Not interested enough to chase it down :^) -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/02/12 04:25, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> [02-16-12 00:51]:
Yes, as I already stated, I have heard "don't mix-em" but I have installed vlc from the videolan.org using the '1-click insall' there (and therefore have their repo in my list of repos), and also have both the packman and libdvdcss repos selected - and I have never had any problem until this last update a few days ago.
Right now I cannot be bothered with trying to figure out how to get vlc to behave as it did before and so will carry on with xine until it is time to install 12.2 :-) . zypper mr -d<videolan-repo> zypper dup --from<packman-repo> -D
not a lot of effort for something that is "not working"/"unused"
Well, your bit about using "zypper dup --from...." only generated a list of files a mile long which dup was going to replace :-( . So, naturally, I aborted this process. I looked in Software Manager and found that the vlc I have installed is version 1.9.99 (aka 2.0) from the videolan repo [which purports to be a preview of the next version]. This version was installed on 12 February. The previous version I had installed was 1.1.13 and it is also the version which comes in Milestone 1 of 12.2. This version I believe is packaged by 'dimstar'. I'll think about this and if I do decide to go back to 1.1.13 then I will delete the current version I have and then do- zypper in --from <packmanrepo> Or simply use YaST to do the installation. BC -- Men never do good unless necessity drives them to it; but when they are free to choose and can do just as they please, confusion and disorder become rampart. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [01-01-70 12:34]:
On 17/02/12 04:25, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
zypper mr -d<videolan-repo> zypper dup --from<packman-repo> -D
my bad, this is wrong: zypper dup s/b zypper up --from <packman-repo> -D vlc -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/02/12 15:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> [01-01-70 12:34]:
On 17/02/12 04:25, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
zypper mr -d<videolan-repo> zypper dup --from<packman-repo> -D my bad, this is wrong: zypper dup s/b zypper up --from<packman-repo> -D vlc
Ahh, sounds a lot better :-) . I'll try it later. (But the "up" still worries me: I have forgotten what zypper does with varying version numbers and with v1.9.99 already installed I wonder what it will do with its v1.1.13? I'll find out later :-) .) BC -- Men never do good unless necessity drives them to it; but when they are free to choose and can do just as they please, confusion and disorder become rampart. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [02-16-12 23:55]:
On 17/02/12 15:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> [01-01-70 12:34]:
On 17/02/12 04:25, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
zypper mr -d<videolan-repo> zypper dup --from<packman-repo> -D my bad, this is wrong: zypper dup s/b zypper up --from<packman-repo> -D vlc
Ahh, sounds a lot better :-) . I'll try it later.
(But the "up" still worries me: I have forgotten what zypper does with varying version numbers and with v1.9.99 already installed I wonder what it will do with its v1.1.13? I'll find out later :-) .)
you may even have to try: zypper in --from <packman-repo> -D vlc as default zypper will not change repos, but .... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> [02-17-12 00:25]:
* Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> [02-16-12 23:55]:
On 17/02/12 15:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> [01-01-70 12:34]:
On 17/02/12 04:25, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
zypper mr -d<videolan-repo> zypper dup --from<packman-repo> -D my bad, this is wrong: zypper dup s/b zypper up --from<packman-repo> -D vlc
Ahh, sounds a lot better :-) . I'll try it later.
(But the "up" still worries me: I have forgotten what zypper does with varying version numbers and with v1.9.99 already installed I wonder what it will do with its v1.1.13? I'll find out later :-) .)
you may even have to try: zypper in --from <packman-repo> -D vlc as default zypper will not change repos, but ....
too late, too much Dos XXs you may even have to do: zypper rm vlc zypper in --from <packman-repo> -D vlc -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/02/12 16:29, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Patrick Shanahan<paka@opensuse.org> [02-17-12 00:25]:
* Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> [02-16-12 23:55]:
On 17/02/12 15:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> [01-01-70 12:34]:
On 17/02/12 04:25, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
zypper mr -d<videolan-repo> zypper dup --from<packman-repo> -D my bad, this is wrong: zypper dup s/b zypper up --from<packman-repo> -D vlc
Ahh, sounds a lot better :-) . I'll try it later.
(But the "up" still worries me: I have forgotten what zypper does with varying version numbers and with v1.9.99 already installed I wonder what it will do with its v1.1.13? I'll find out later :-) .) you may even have to try: zypper in --from<packman-repo> -D vlc as default zypper will not change repos, but .... too late, too much Dos XXs
you may even have to do: zypper rm vlc zypper in --from<packman-repo> -D vlc
Well, I decided to try the above before going to bed. Silly me...... The version from videolan got deleted and the one from packman (v1.1.13) was installed. However, vlc would not run - which is what I always get when I first install an oS distro [#] :-( . So I re-installed vlc from videolan - and it immediately sprung into life and I had digital TV back again :-) (albeit without sound when I switch to another Desktop as wot prompted my original post). As the Lone Ranger would say, "I don't think we're in Texas anymore, Tonto" when he also tried to use vlc from packman :-D . [#] I cannot explain it, but, as I already stated, vlc installed in 12.2 Milestone 1 works as expected - and it isn't installed from videolan.org. The mysteries of computing, eh? :-( BC -- Men never do good unless necessity drives them to it; but when they are free to choose and can do just as they please, confusion and disorder become rampant. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 18/02/12 15:59, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 17/02/12 16:29, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Patrick Shanahan<paka@opensuse.org> [02-17-12 00:25]:
* Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> [02-16-12 23:55]:
On 17/02/12 15:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> [01-01-70 12:34]:
On 17/02/12 04:25, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > zypper mr -d<videolan-repo> > zypper dup --from<packman-repo> -D my bad, this is wrong: zypper dup s/b zypper up --from<packman-repo> -D vlc
Ahh, sounds a lot better :-) . I'll try it later.
(But the "up" still worries me: I have forgotten what zypper does with varying version numbers and with v1.9.99 already installed I wonder what it will do with its v1.1.13? I'll find out later :-) .) you may even have to try: zypper in --from<packman-repo> -D vlc as default zypper will not change repos, but .... too late, too much Dos XXs
you may even have to do: zypper rm vlc zypper in --from<packman-repo> -D vlc
Well, I decided to try the above before going to bed. Silly me......
The version from videolan got deleted and the one from packman (v1.1.13) was installed.
However, vlc would not run - which is what I always get when I first install an oS distro [#] :-( .
So I re-installed vlc from videolan - and it immediately sprung into life and I had digital TV back again :-) (albeit without sound when I switch to another Desktop as wot prompted my original post).
As the Lone Ranger would say, "I don't think we're in Texas anymore, Tonto" when he also tried to use vlc from packman :-D .
[#] I cannot explain it, but, as I already stated, vlc installed in 12.2 Milestone 1 works as expected - and it isn't installed from videolan.org. The mysteries of computing, eh? :-( I am more confused than ever...... :-( .
I just 'switched on' vlc by accident, instead of xine, to watch TV and just as "a dare", as a "throw away line" so to say, I switched Desktops to prove what happened last night, which I wrote about above. Lo and behold, and 'cut off my arms and call me Venus'[$$], there was no loss of sound! There WERE some updates to vlc this morning (my time). So something there got vlc to behave re the sound as it did in the past. [$$] An old Russian expression. BC -- Men never do good unless necessity drives them to it; but when they are free to choose and can do just as they please, confusion and disorder become rampant. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/02/12 15:55, Basil Chupin wrote:
On 17/02/12 15:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> [01-01-70 12:34]:
On 17/02/12 04:25, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
zypper mr -d<videolan-repo> zypper dup --from<packman-repo> -D my bad, this is wrong: zypper dup s/b zypper up --from<packman-repo> -D vlc
Ahh, sounds a lot better :-) . I'll try it later.
(But the "up" still worries me: I have forgotten what zypper does with varying version numbers and with v1.9.99 already installed I wonder what it will do with its v1.1.13? I'll find out later :-) .)
Aahh, Patrick, oi tink you be in need of a rest, oi does :-) . zypper up --from <repo> -D vlc comes back with an error message that "--from" is a no-no. *However*, dropping "--from" results in being told that zypper won't install vlc 'cause the version already installed (1.9.99 which I have) is 'later' than its v1.1.13. I'll stop here as anything else will only mind-boggle whoever may be following this thread :-D . BC -- Men never do good unless necessity drives them to it; but when they are free to choose and can do just as they please, confusion and disorder become rampart. Niccolo Machiavelli -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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