-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 30/12/2019 10.34, Mathias Homann wrote:

On 30.12.19 06:44, Cons Brouerius van Nidek wrote:

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With one my daughters who lives half the world away I had a good exchange with Skype. Since she works on an older I pad which is excluded from the last IOS updates her Skype does not work anymore. What are the programs we both can use to start connecting again.

Telegram and Signal both offer voice calls, and google duo can do video.

Whatsapp on phones, has text and voice messages, plus voice or video conferencing. There is also a web client, only for messaging, and works connected to the phone. In Spain it is a "must have". It is currently a facebook product, so there are suspicions about its privacy. But conversations are encrypted end to end. Telegram is a good replacement, has a good privacy reputation. Partly open source. It is not tied to a phone number, so it can be installed on a tablet. There is also a web client, but I have not tried it (https://web.telegram.org). I have not done "calls" with it. Me, I find a phone or tablet app for video calls better than a computer application, as it allows one to move around the house. But you have to hold it somehow. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXgnzTQAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1TUDAKCA969jvq3sQw1YYQaDqQ8vmWDDQgCcD0urkVqxdRTSM0ReLtChauRJjFs= =5oOn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 30. Dezember 2019 12:18:40 schrieb Adam Mizerski :

W dniu 30.12.2019 o 06:44, Cons Brouerius van Nidek pisze:

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With one my daughters who lives half the world away I had a good exchange with Skype. Since she works on an older I pad which is excluded from the last IOS updates her Skype does not work anymore. What are the programs we both can use to start connecting again. Is there a opensuse variant for IOS based systems?

If you want something that's Free Software:

https://meet.jit.si/ https://jitsi.org/ Bonus points on that for running in any modern browser thanks to WebRTC. No need for crufty clients.

Regards, vinz. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

W dniu 01.01.2020 o 07:57, Cons Brouerius van Nidek pisze:

On Monday, December 30, 2019 6:18:08 PM WIB Adam Mizerski wrote:

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W dniu 30.12.2019 o 06:44, Cons Brouerius van Nidek pisze:

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With one my daughters who lives half the world away I had a good exchange with Skype. Since she works on an older I pad which is excluded from the last IOS updates her Skype does not work anymore. What are the programs we both can use to start connecting again. Is there a opensuse variant for IOS based systems?

If you want something that's Free Software:

https://meet.jit.si/ https://jitsi.org/ Everybody for your input. Liked the jitsu which I am now trying to setup. Everything seems to work until close to the end where it starts complaining:

Problem: nothing provides libgdk-1.2.so.0 needed by jitsi-1.0.beta1.nightly.build.3820-5.1.x86_64

looked further into this problem and did not find any source for the missing program. Started reading about Jitsi and discovered that the last time it was updated was Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:26:35 GMT (Unix time: 13237).

Is this program still actual? Are there active openSUSE users of jitsi? please help ;).

Keep in mind that there are two separate products: Jitsi Meet and Jitsi Desktop. They are incompatible. I have no experience with desktop app. As Vinzenz Vietzke wrote, Jitsi Meet is based on WebRTC. It works in web browser. Just open https://meet.jit.si/ , start a meeting and you're done. There are also mobile apps https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet#mobile-apps

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:51 AM Carlos E. R. wrote:

| Skype for Business, at least, is being replaced by Teams. There is | an openSUSE install. I'm not suggesting that I like Teams. But it | is a free alternative. I posted a link to the install repo a while | back. | | You mean "Microsoft Teams"? Or some other thing? Link to description? I found nothing on wikipedia by "teams" alone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Teams

Yes. Microsoft Teams. They provide an installer for openSUSE that is in a repo you can add. Just sayin'. As my company is sadly a big Microsoft fan, I am forced down these strange paths.. -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2020-01-07 07:48 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

| Yes. Microsoft Teams. They provide an installer for openSUSE that | is in a repo you can add. Just sayin'. | | As my company is sadly a big Microsoft fan, I am forced down these | strange paths..

Sure :-)

It is a good thing that they do include a Linux version. They have changed a lot.

To the point they now have a few Linux distros available to install on Windows 10.  Things have certainly changed since Bill & Steve left. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2020-01-07 09:34 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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To the point they now have a few Linux distros available to install on Windows 10. Things have certainly changed since Bill & Steve left. Microsoft Linux is a thing. Not sure you can run it outside the Windows Linux Subsystem.

It's just the command line only, no desktop.  My understanding is they now include a Linux kernel, whereas previously they just used calls to Windows. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/01/2020 16.08, Anton Aylward wrote:

I wonder ...

To many, the term 'skype' or 'to skype' entered into the vocabulary as a new word just like 'to google' means to research online'. "To skype" meant to make a videocall; yes Skype the product was the primary tool for that but not the sole one. It was, however the one that we were most sure of the other party having.

A bit more than a decade ago it was the most popular voice application. It started to decline when bought by Microsoft.

That Skype has gone says a lot about the reliably, sustainability and availability of any product. Even open source ones.

There's a groundswell about 'privacy'. Perhaps Google will be replaced by DuckDuck but we'll still use the term 'to google'. If universals that had such market dominance as WordPerfect can vanish (See "In Search of Stupidity") then maybe others can too. If you'd asked a year ago who 'owned' the videocall market the answer would be 'Skype'. To suggest using hangouts or one of the other products suggested on this thread would seem laughable. If you'd said 'videoCONFERENCE' the answer might be different, there were practical alternatives. The same with videoMEETINGS or videoTEACHING.

Few years ago I knew people that would do video conference who had never even heard of Skype. They were using Whatsapp in their phones. It is the single most popular application here (it replaces SMS messaging here), and it is so easy to do that may happen by accident. You live in Canada, so you probably don't realize. Many Canadians and your southern neighbours use SMS to communicate, to do "texting"; it is gratis for you. In Spain, and in most of Europe, sending SMS had a cost, maybe 20 cents each one. Much more if you sent photos. So here became popular applications that would do texting using Internet, which is "almost" free, such as Whatsapp. This one in Spain is a "must have", except for some paranoid people who may use Telegram instead, or a few others. So for us, texting is done with Whatsapp - even now, SMS are not free. My plan allows me a thousand per month, only inside Spain. An SMS to CAN costs about a dollar. Each SMS. Plain text. So you have a situation when almost every phone has Whastapp, and one day they add calls. Right there in the tabs. A bit later, they add video conferencing. So, here, probably the most popular video conferencing app is Whatsapp. They only need to be aware of their internet plan, or being in WiFi area. On computers it is different. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 07/01/2020 13:37, Carlos E. R. wrote:

You live in Canada, so you probably don't realize. Many Canadians and your southern neighbours use SMS to communicate, to do "texting"; it is gratis for you.

Depending on the plan, yes-sort-of. My plan has recently upgraded to give "unlimited local voice", unlimited in-Canada TXT. I'll have to check about the rest of North America. But yes, to Europe I pay C$0.20 It is cheaper for me to make voice calls to European land lines via my VoIP service. I pay less than $1/month for the basic service and $0.005 for calls in Canada. Calls to the USA are outrageously twice that! $0.01 UK mobile is $0.0149, land-line is $0.0079 Spain: Orange-Mobile is $0.1349, land-line is $0.0126 Vodaphone is too expensive to consider

In Spain, and in most of Europe, sending SMS had a cost, maybe 20 cents each one. Much more if you sent photos. So here became popular applications that would do texting using Internet, which is "almost" free, such as Whatsapp. This one in Spain is a "must have", except for some paranoid people who may use Telegram instead, or a few others.

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So, here, probably the most popular video conferencing app is Whatsapp.

They only need to be aware of their internet plan, or being in WiFi area.

So I could SMS you using Whatsapp?

On computers it is different.

Indeed. -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/01/2020 01.55, John Perry wrote: | | On 2020-01-08 10:20, Anton Aylward wrote: |> On computers it is different. Indeed. |> | Depends upon the provider and service plan. My T-Mobile Family | plan allows me unlimited VoIP (Important for me, since I live in | one of the few places in the US that has no or sketchy service | from any cell provider, including the big names). I also get 2GB | of phone-line data, so I can use SMS and (CMS? forget the name) | pretty much freely with my family members who are afraid of | WhatsApp, even though (as I understand) your communication is | encrypted in your phone, and decrypted in your correspondents' | receiver. Tell them that SMS is non encrypted at all and has been breached :-P One attack that is happening here. Some banks use a keycode sent via SMS to confirm money transfer operations. Now comes a bad guy, that knows your number and full name, maybe some other detail like your birthday and age. (And your bank account password?). Goes to the shopping center, to the phone stall. Says that he lost his phone, posing as you. Would they provide a duplicate SIM card? And they do, without asking for an ID. Stupid booth clerk. Suddenly your mobile stops working. Now the bad guy orders a money transfer, HE gets the SMS, and makes the transfer, emptying your account. There are also attacks on WhatssApp, but I have seen none. Just keep your phone updated. And be sensible about the messages, same as with email spam or phising. Don't be credulous. That's the real danger, but I have never seen it. The danger that I have actually seen is filling up the internal flash memory with photos and videos, and the app stopping. | The dependence, at least for WhatsApp, is that WhatsApp's links | are based upon your phone number, not your IP address. So you | can't use WhatsApp on your computer unless it has a phone number. You can use it, but linked to your phone number. Or, you can use Telegram instead, which can be linked to a name or phone number. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.1 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCXhcJ/QAKCRC1MxgcbY1H 1dwtAJ9/yQ680pkr+qLxUYGY1M04EaCO7ACeMReER70k2JRewzIrgnFFjSiLZ9U= =eDhe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R. wrote:

I have an Skype account, with money, time ago. I did calls to landlines in Canada, back in the day prior to M$ purchase. There they were surprised by the unknown number in the call-id,

We do occasionally have Skype calls to the office, the caller-id is just '0000' (except when the caller has a proper phone-number attached). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.8°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org