Hi all, I come from RH/FC. I notice that in Suse, when we create user it's upg would be "users" and not him/her. Why is that? Do you have any url I can read on? Thanks. -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial http://linux2.arinet.org 1:15pm up 2:25, 2.6.16.13-4-default GNU/Linux Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org
On Thursday 19 October 2006 22:19, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
Hi all, I come from RH/FC. I notice that in Suse, when we create user it's upg would be "users" and not him/her. Why is that? Do you have any url I can read on? Thanks.
I have no knowledge of the official reason but to me it always seemed redundant for create a group specific to a user. It always seemed more useful to have a ready made group for all your users to fit into. Perhaps this is just because I tend to use SuSE in production environments where the vast majority of users tend to need the same things and have access to the same things. In this case configuring the group "users" is sufficient in almost all cases to grant access to those things. That leave only the special cases to deal with for restricted access to special resources for specific people. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
On Thursday 19 October 2006 11:40 pm, John Andersen wrote:
On Thursday 19 October 2006 22:19, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
Hi all, I come from RH/FC. I notice that in Suse, when we create user it's upg would be "users" and not him/her. Why is that? Do you have any url I can read on? Thanks.
I have no knowledge of the official reason but to me it always seemed redundant for create a group specific to a user.
There's an interesting article on the subject on OnLamp... <http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/09/using_user_private_groups.html> Scott -- Revera linguam latinam vix cognovi POPFile, the OpenSource EMail Classifier http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Linux 2.6.11.4-21.14-default x86_64 SuSE Linux 9.3 (x86-64)
On Sunday 22 October 2006 20:09, Scott Leighton wrote:
On Thursday 19 October 2006 11:40 pm, John Andersen wrote:
On Thursday 19 October 2006 22:19, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
Hi all, I come from RH/FC. I notice that in Suse, when we create user it's upg would be "users" and not him/her. Why is that? Do you have any url I can read on? Thanks.
I have no knowledge of the official reason but to me it always seemed redundant for create a group specific to a user.
There's an interesting article on the subject on OnLamp...
<http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/09/using_user_private_groups.html>
Scott
But that's what one does to create collaboration directories under SUSE as well. With either scheme you still have to create a new group and you still have to add users to it and you still have to set the sgid. Nobody suggested these special collaboration directories be owned by the group "users". He set up a straw man and knocked him down masterfully. UPGs are still silly IMHO. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
John Andersen wrote:
On Sunday 22 October 2006 20:09, Scott Leighton wrote:
On Thursday 19 October 2006 11:40 pm, John Andersen wrote:
On Thursday 19 October 2006 22:19, Fajar Priyanto wrote:
Hi all, I come from RH/FC. I notice that in Suse, when we create user it's upg would be "users" and not him/her. Why is that? Do you have any url I can read on? Thanks. I have no knowledge of the official reason but to me it always seemed redundant for create a group specific to a user.
There's an interesting article on the subject on OnLamp...
<http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2006/09/using_user_private_groups.html>
Scott
But that's what one does to create collaboration directories under SUSE as well.
With either scheme you still have to create a new group and you still have to add users to it and you still have to set the sgid.
Nobody suggested these special collaboration directories be owned by the group "users".
He set up a straw man and knocked him down masterfully.
UPGs are still silly IMHO.
Currently, with SUSE, all "users" group members have read access to everyone's home directories. With the RH method, where each user is a member of only his own group, unless added to another, that doesn't happen. In a single user system, that's not a problem. But on multiuser systems it can be.
On Monday 23 October 2006 03:19, James Knott wrote:
Currently, with SUSE, all "users" group members have read access to everyone's home directories.
That is strictly up to each user. They can set permissions on their own directory. -- _____________________________________ John Andersen
John Andersen wrote:
On Monday 23 October 2006 03:19, James Knott wrote:
Currently, with SUSE, all "users" group members have read access to everyone's home directories.
That is strictly up to each user. They can set permissions on their own directory.
While a user can change the permissions, the default install allows others to read, thereby requiring some change to prevent it. On the other hand, with unique groups for each user, as in RH, it doesn't. No one has access to your directories, unless you specifically allow it.
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 18:22, James Knott wrote:
While a user can change the permissions, the default install allows others to read, thereby requiring some change to prevent it. On the other hand, with unique groups for each user, as in RH, it doesn't. No one has access to your directories, unless you specifically allow it.
I'm sure Suse has a reason for this. But, still before knowing it, I'd say that it gives an impression that Suse is 'less' concern with users privacy regarding the /home directory (unless the default permission of it is 700). Maybe there's a FAQ about this? -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial http://linux2.arinet.org 12:29am up 1:24, 2.6.16.13-4-default GNU/Linux Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org
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