[opensuse] email access denied

Terry Eck

9 Oct 2015 9 Oct '15

01:15

Can anyone tell me where the access rules for posting to the list are shown. I've tried to post to the list and got the following: The message from with subject "4Gb limit on 32Gb USB device" was unable to be delivered to the list because of an access rule set up by the list administrator. -- OpenSuSE 12.3 -- Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop --- 08:10PM --- Thu 10/08/15 There are 10 types of people, those who know binary and those who don't -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Greg Freemyer

9 Oct 9 Oct

02:59

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Terry Eck wrote:

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Can anyone tell me where the access rules for posting to the list are shown. I've tried to post to the list and got the following:

The message from with subject "4Gb limit on 32Gb USB device" was unable to be delivered to the list because of an access rule set up by the list administrator.

Terry, I don't know where the rules are, but no HTML is the typical rule people run afoul of. As to your real question, odds are high that 32GB thumb drive has a FAT32 filesystem. Max filesize on FAT32 s 4GB. Reformat if there is nothing of value on it. If there is and you have a windows PC handy, they this from the command prompt : convert D: /fs:ntfs where D: is the drive letter of the thumbdrive when plugged into your Windows PC. I've done that convert dozens of times with 1000's of files on the drive. For me the the files were always important enough I needed 2 copies anyway, so the first thing I do is make a copy to a virgin thumbdrive formatted with a better FS, then do a convert on the one that has the wrong FS. Greg -- Greg Freemyer www.IntelligentAvatar.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Terry Eck

13:35

On 10/08/2015 09:59 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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As to your real question, odds are high that 32GB thumb drive has a FAT32 filesystem. Max filesize on FAT32 s 4GB. Reformat if there is nothing of value on it.

Greg -- Greg Freemyer www.IntelligentAvatar.net If that is true then I'm wondering why I was able to mount the drive (with the 4G) on a windows PC and copy an additional 1.5G to it for a total of 5.5G. Back on Linux the drive shows both the 4G and 1.5G files.

Do you know of a command which will tell me the file system on the drive? Thanks, Terry -- OpenSuSE 12.3 -- Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop --- 08:25AM --- Fri 10/09/15 There are 10 types of people, those who know binary and those who don't -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Freek de Kruijf

13:59

Op vrijdag 9 oktober 2015 08:35:35 schreef Terry Eck:

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Do you know of a command which will tell me the file system on the drive?

mount -l or mount -l -t <type> <type> may be vfat -- fr.gr. member openSUSE Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

14:00

* Terry Eck [10-09-15 09:38]: [...]

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Do you know of a command which will tell me the file system on the drive?

fdisk -l /dev/<subject-drive> -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Terry Eck

15:31

On 10/09/2015 09:00 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Terry Eck [10-09-15 09:38]: [...]

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Do you know of a command which will tell me the file system on the drive?

fdisk -l /dev/<subject-drive>

[second attempt to post this to the list, first got rejected] df ''' /dev/sde1 30G 4.1G 26G 14% /run/media/eck/USB DISK /dev/sde1 30G 4.1G 26G 14% /var/run/media/eck/USB DISK This is really strange. The original problem was linux not being able to write the full lates system iso. Only 4G was written. Now the above command says the drive has 26G free! then the command fdisk -l /dev/sde1 Disk /dev/sde1: 32.1 GB, 32090685440 bytes 64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 30604 cylinders, total 62677120 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x6f20736b This doesn't look like a partition table Probably you selected the wrong device. Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sde1p1 ? 778135908 1919645538 570754815+ 72 Unknown /dev/sde1p2 ? 168689522 2104717761 968014120 65 Novell Netware 386 /dev/sde1p3 ? 1869881465 3805909656 968014096 79 Unknown /dev/sde1p4 ? 2885681152 2885736650 27749+ d Unknown Partition table entries are not in disk order Is there any way I can format the drive so both Linux and Windows can access the full 32G? -- OpenSuSE 12.3 -- Kernel 3.7.10-1.16-desktop --- 10:25AM --- Fri 10/09/15 There are 10 types of people, those who know binary and those who don't -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bernhard Voelker

15:49

On 10/09/2015 05:31 PM, Terry Eck wrote:

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df ''' /dev/sde1 30G 4.1G 26G 14% /run/media/eck/USB DISK /dev/sde1 30G 4.1G 26G 14% /var/run/media/eck/USB DISK

you missed the -T option which would have shown us the file system type.

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This is really strange. The original problem was linux not being able to write the full lates system iso. Only 4G was written. Now the above command says the drive has 26G free!

then the command fdisk -l /dev/sde1

you told fdisk to search for a partition table in the first partition of the device ... which does not exist because sde1 contains a file system. Use "fdisk -l /dev/sde" to print the partition table of the whole device sde instead.

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Disk /dev/sde1: 32.1 GB, 32090685440 bytes

anyhow, it seems to be a 32G USB stick. Have a nice day, Berny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

17:16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-10-09 17:31, Terry Eck wrote:

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df ''' /dev/sde1 30G 4.1G 26G 14% /run/media/eck/USB DISK /dev/sde1 30G 4.1G 26G 14% /var/run/media/eck/USB DISK

This is really strange. The original problem was linux not being able to write the full lates system iso. Only 4G was written. Now the above command says the drive has 26G free!

Well, all points to that drive being type FAT. Almost all sticks come with it. And you simply can not write a file bigger than 4G. But... are you intending to boot from that system iso? Because it will not work. Instead, follow the instructions given on our wiki (help on the download page). Me, I would do: cp system.iso /dev/sdXY in your text above, it is "/dev/sde1", but that can change; notice that giving the wrong X or Y would destroy completely beyond repair another "drive". If your intention is to copy the image for transporting to another machine, and you need the stick to work in Windows, then the easiest alternative is to format it in Windows as NTFS (and there is a trick I can't remember which to allow write to the entire drive, no reserved space). exFAT is also another possibility, but it will not work straight out of the box in Linux (for legal reasons). - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYX9mYACgkQja8UbcUWM1w7ZgEAiqwhD4kEbiKX2mCziCOXSjz5 2UKyLmIVBSraRMVgn/AA/1pAPJWeZ4BpBz4gAYHOcigU+s+iYwye1E2GXsTjFSMP =5weA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer

10 Oct 10 Oct

20:33

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Terry Eck wrote:

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df ''' /dev/sde1 30G 4.1G 26G 14% /run/media/eck/USB DISK /dev/sde1 30G 4.1G 26G 14% /var/run/media/eck/USB DISK

This is really strange. The original problem was linux not being able to write the full lates system iso. Only 4G was written. Now the above command says the drive has 26G free!

If it hasn't been made clear: With FAT32 no single file can be larger than 4GB. Freespace is an unrelated concept. btw: FAT32 holds the filesize in a 32-bit value 2^32 = 2^2 * 2^10 * 2^10 * 2^10 = 4 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 = 4 Gigabytes. So any filesystem that maintains the file size in a 32bit value will max out at 4 gigabytes. Greg -- Greg Freemyer www.IntelligentAvatar.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Bernhard Voelker

9 Oct 9 Oct

14:29

On 10/09/2015 03:35 PM, Terry Eck wrote:

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Do you know of a command which will tell me the file system on the drive?

given DIR is the mount point of the file system: df -T DIR findmnt --target DIR grep -F " DIR " /proc/self/mountinfo ... Have fun, Berny -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Anton Aylward

15:58

On 10/09/2015 09:35 AM, Terry Eck wrote:

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On 10/08/2015 09:59 PM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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As to your real question, odds are high that 32GB thumb drive has a FAT32 filesystem. Max filesize on FAT32 s 4GB. Reformat if there is nothing of value on it.

Greg -- Greg Freemyer www.IntelligentAvatar.net If that is true then I'm wondering why I was able to mount the drive (with the 4G) on a windows PC and copy an additional 1.5G to it for a total of 5.5G. Back on Linux the drive shows both the 4G and 1.5G files.

Do you know of a command which will tell me the file system on the drive?

/sbin/blkid What Greg was referring to is a SINGLE FILE. FAT32 imposes a limit of 4GB on a single file. It doesn't matter how much more free space is on the disk. So trying to write a >4GB dot-iso file isn't going to work. If the stick has to be read by a Windows machine, you have to use on of the Microsoft file systems OR somehow add a driver to the Windows machine to deal with other file systems such as ext4. Yes they do exist; no I have not any experience with them. What I *DO* have experience with is using exFAT. There is a driver for exFAT for Linux. It is the file system on large USB and microchip cards such as might be used in a camera or hone, which is where I have been using it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExFAT https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/955704 http://www.howtogeek.com/73178/what-file-system-should-i-use-for-my-usb-driv... http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/06/review-is-microsofts-n... -- A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

17:06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-10-09 15:35, Terry Eck wrote:

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Do you know of a command which will tell me the file system on the drive?

There are many ways, as you have seen :-) If the drive is already mounted, the output of a plain "mount" gives it, albeit a bit confusing, because if gives the entire list of all mounted filesystems in your computer, and you have to distinguish which it is. "blkid" gives lots of interesting info, and one is the filesystem type, even if it is not mounted. Another is "file -s /dev/sdXY", replacing "X" with the correct letter that corresponds with your drive, and the "Y" is the correct number of the partition you use. This command gives the basic information that is used by other programs. "gparted", a partition editor, will also give that information. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYX9AMACgkQja8UbcUWM1z0fgD+LPI8hdcBNqIAQXnKZ3pwZtDx W++hv9W2U0SdpNjuX44BAKCO+bzBjB/XRZjD498a01Q7oFJH8bEGcq1MhFuqzj7R =Ecfs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

ianseeks

10:39

On Thursday 08 Oct 2015 20:15:47 Terry Eck wrote:

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Can anyone tell me where the access rules for posting to the list are shown. I've tried to post to the list and got the following:

The message from with subject "4Gb limit on 32Gb USB device" was unable to be delivered to the list because of an access rule set up by the list administrator.

I've had emails rejected because i used ctrl-c/ctrl-v to paste something into the email, it seems to change the email type from a plain one to something the systems doesn't like. Using the mouse to copy/paste is okay. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Terry Eck

13:24

On 10/09/2015 05:39 AM, ianseeks wrote:

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Can anyone tell me where the access rules for posting to the list are shown. I've tried to post to the list and got the following:

The message from with subject "4Gb limit on 32Gb USB device" was unable to be delivered to the list because of an access rule set up by the list administrator. I've had emails rejected because i used ctrl-c/ctrl-v to paste something into

On Thursday 08 Oct 2015 20:15:47 Terry Eck wrote: the email, it seems to change the email type from a plain one to something the systems doesn't like. Using the mouse to copy/paste is okay. That very well could be it. I assembled the email from LibreOffice and terminal screens. I'll have to remember that. Thanks.

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James Knott

18:55

On 10/09/2015 09:24 AM, Terry Eck wrote:

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On 10/09/2015 05:39 AM, ianseeks wrote:

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Can anyone tell me where the access rules for posting to the list are shown. I've tried to post to the list and got the following:

The message from with subject "4Gb limit on 32Gb USB device" was unable to be delivered to the list because of an access rule set up by the list administrator. I've had emails rejected because i used ctrl-c/ctrl-v to paste something into

On Thursday 08 Oct 2015 20:15:47 Terry Eck wrote: the email, it seems to change the email type from a plain one to something the systems doesn't like. Using the mouse to copy/paste is okay. That very well could be it. I assembled the email from LibreOffice and terminal screens. I'll have to remember that. Thanks.

While I don't know about the ctrl v, mouse difference, when pasting from other than plain text you have to use paste without formatting, to insert plain text. I just tried an experiment. I copies from a document and it made no difference whether I used crtl c/v or mouse. Either way, the complex text was pasted. Incidentally, the Crtl+Shift+V does not seem to work, but selecting from the top down menu does. I'm using Seamonkey 2.38. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

19:16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-10-09 20:55, James Knott wrote:

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While I don't know about the ctrl v, mouse difference, when pasting from other than plain text you have to use paste without formatting, to insert plain text. I just tried an experiment. I copies from a document and it made no difference whether I used crtl c/v or mouse. Either way, the complex text was pasted.

It is not only html that may get rejected. Sometimes, some combinations of non ascii chars could trigger strange actions. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYYEokACgkQja8UbcUWM1yM3wEAlXWjpNNBvUxYrZbOIcNaaZco ObxN29Q6WlerYLhr47cBAJs910En3kSsvQdzY82wMDV0wfXAyx0d11iGVP9XV6q0 =VZGv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

ianseeks

19:39

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On 10/09/2015 09:24 AM, Terry Eck wrote:

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On 10/09/2015 05:39 AM, ianseeks wrote:

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On Thursday 08 Oct 2015 20:15:47 Terry Eck wrote:

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Can anyone tell me where the access rules for posting to the list are shown. I've tried to post to the list and got the following:

The message from with subject "4Gb limit on 32Gb USB device" was unable to be delivered to the list because of an access rule set up by the list administrator.

I've had emails rejected because i used ctrl-c/ctrl-v to paste something into the email, it seems to change the email type from a plain one to something the systems doesn't like. Using the mouse to copy/paste is okay.

That very well could be it. I assembled the email from LibreOffice and terminal screens. I'll have to remember that. Thanks.

While I don't know about the ctrl v, mouse difference, when pasting from other than plain text you have to use paste without formatting, to insert plain text. I just tried an experiment. I copies from a document and it made no difference whether I used crtl c/v or mouse. Either way, the complex text was pasted. I have done ctrl-c/ctrl-v from an email in the list and that can cause the

On Friday 09 Oct 2015 14:55:12 James Knott wrote: problem. The emails are rejected for one of these reasons This list does not allow: * HTML mails * Attachments * Mails from other lists And my emails do not belong to any of those categories. i've tried to communicate with the list maintainer to get a more specific reason for rejection as but with no luck. I would hope that copy from an email that appears in the list wouldn't screw up my email.

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Incidentally, the Crtl+Shift+V does not seem to work, but selecting from the top down menu does. I'm using Seamonkey 2.38.

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James Knott

19:44

On 10/09/2015 02:55 PM, James Knott wrote:

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Incidentally, the Crtl+Shift+V does not seem to work, but selecting from the top down menu does. I'm using Seamonkey 2.38.

That should be "drop down menu". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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Anton Aylward
Bernhard Voelker
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Freek de Kruijf
Greg Freemyer
ianseeks
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Patrick Shanahan
Terry Eck