Am 24.02.23 um 15:13 schrieb Per Jessen:

having finally managed to boot 15.4 from nfs root, I started looking for mythtv. It was available from packman up until 15.3, but I can't find it for leap 15.4 ?

I'm looking for mythtv-backend, later probably also mythtv-frontend.

Seems to be moved to a community repository, try https://software.opensuse.org/package/mythtv Peter

Per Jessen wrote:

Peter McD wrote:

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Am 24.02.23 um 15:13 schrieb Per Jessen:

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having finally managed to boot 15.4 from nfs root, I started looking for mythtv. It was available from packman up until 15.3, but I can't find it for leap 15.4 ?

I'm looking for mythtv-backend, later probably also mythtv-frontend.

Seems to be moved to a community repository, try https://software.opensuse.org/package/mythtv

Yeah, I was just about to - I was just curious about mythtv missing from packman. Thanks.

One odd thing about the above - the instructions under "Add repository and install manually" say: For 15.4 run the following as root: zypper addrepo http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:fschuett/15.4/home:fschuett.r... zypper refresh That does not work: Repository 'mythtv' is invalid. [mythtv http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:fschuett/15.4/home:fschuett.r...] Valid metadata not found at specified URL Instead I added this: zypper addrepo http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:fschuett/15.4 which worked fine. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes

On 24.02.2023 18:18, Per Jessen wrote:

Peter McD wrote:

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Am 24.02.23 um 15:13 schrieb Per Jessen:

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having finally managed to boot 15.4 from nfs root, I started looking for mythtv. It was available from packman up until 15.3, but I can't find it for leap 15.4 ?

I'm looking for mythtv-backend, later probably also mythtv-frontend.

Seems to be moved to a community repository, try https://software.opensuse.org/package/mythtv

Hmm, there are two options, but neither seems to work :-(

https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:fschuett/15.4/

Problem: nothing provides 'perl(Net::UPnP)' needed by the to be installed mythtv-common-33-lp154.3.3.x86_64

This home project is built against <path project="devel:languages:perl" repository="15.4"/> <path project="Education" repository="15.4"/> so you need to add them both to make sure all requirements are satisfied.

https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:shantikulkarni:mythtv/15.4

The following 22 recommended packages were automatically selected: The following 277 NEW packages are going to be installed:

(lots of graphics stuff, afaict).

I'll probably try installing that perl module manually and see what happens.

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 15:47:29 +0100 Peter McD wrote:

Am 24.02.23 um 15:13 schrieb Per Jessen:

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having finally managed to boot 15.4 from nfs root, I started looking for mythtv. It was available from packman up until 15.3, but I can't find it for leap 15.4 ?

I'm looking for mythtv-backend, later probably also mythtv-frontend.

Seems to be moved to a community repository,

try https://software.opensuse.org/package/mythtv

Peter

Hmm, That URL doesn't work under FF 102.8.0esr - the page comes up but the JS-powered dropdowns don't work. They do work under a much older FF (I'm too ashamed to give the actual version number) And also I would suggest investigating TVH (i.e. TVHeadend) instead of mythtv. Personally I find it much easier to set up and it works well.

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On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 15:47:29 +0100 Peter McD wrote:

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Am 24.02.23 um 15:13 schrieb Per Jessen:

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having finally managed to boot 15.4 from nfs root, I started looking for mythtv. It was available from packman up until 15.3, but I can't find it for leap 15.4 ?

I'm looking for mythtv-backend, later probably also mythtv-frontend.

Seems to be moved to a community repository,

try https://software.opensuse.org/package/mythtv

Peter

Hmm,

That URL doesn't work under FF 102.8.0esr - the page comes up but the JS-powered dropdowns don't work. They do work under a much older FF (I'm too ashamed to give the actual version number)

Worked for me (R), albeit with 102.6.0esr.

And also I would suggest investigating TVH (i.e. TVHeadend) instead of mythtv. Personally I find it much easier to set up and it works well.

I have had mythtv since 2012, but my existing recording backends are getting a bit old. Two truly ancient P4 systems, for their PCI slots. I've never heard of TVheadend, I guess it is new. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.4°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes

Dave Howorth wrote:

On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 18:25:13 +0100 Per Jessen wrote:

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Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 15:47:29 +0100 Peter McD wrote:

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Am 24.02.23 um 15:13 schrieb Per Jessen:

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having finally managed to boot 15.4 from nfs root, I started looking for mythtv. It was available from packman up until 15.3, but I can't find it for leap 15.4 ?

I'm looking for mythtv-backend, later probably also mythtv-frontend.

Seems to be moved to a community repository,

try https://software.opensuse.org/package/mythtv

Peter

Hmm,

That URL doesn't work under FF 102.8.0esr - the page comes up but the JS-powered dropdowns don't work. They do work under a much older FF (I'm too ashamed to give the actual version number)

Worked for me (R), albeit with 102.6.0esr.

The universe seems to be dividing at the moment into pages that won't work on old browsers and pages that won't work on new browsers, plus a few that thankfully still work with either. I hate 'progress' :(

I thought this issue of browser incompatibility was long dead and buried, with Internet Exploder. Having that exhumed is the last thing anyone needs.

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And also I would suggest investigating TVH (i.e. TVHeadend) instead of mythtv. Personally I find it much easier to set up and it works well.

I have had mythtv since 2012, but my existing recording backends are getting a bit old. Two truly ancient P4 systems, for their PCI slots. I've never heard of TVheadend, I guess it is new.

Well, if you call 2012 new, it is!

Hehe, no, that's pretty ancient :-) Wikipedia says the 'preview' release was 2017 though. Anyway, I've used the various streaming frontends before (incl smart-TVs), and none of them seem to support recording and managing recordings very well. (okay, I think that was kodi a few years back). I agree mythtv is not easy to configure, I'm certainly open to something else, as long as my existing recordings can be easily migrated and as long as usability is not (seriously) impacted. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes

On 2023-02-24 19:47, Per Jessen wrote:

I agree mythtv is not easy to configure, I'm certainly open to something else, as long as my existing recordings can be easily migrated and as long as usability is not (seriously) impacted.

Maybe kodi. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2023-02-24 15:13, Per Jessen wrote:

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having finally managed to boot 15.4 from nfs root, I started looking for mythtv. It was available from packman up until 15.3, but I can't find it for leap 15.4 ?

I'm looking for mythtv-backend, later probably also mythtv-frontend.

There is a packman mail list ;-)

Yeah, I was pretty certain there would be :-)

Last December someone asked this same question, got no answer. But this January someone asked about where is mythtv 0.32 on Leap 15.2 and 15.3. I notice this answer by James Bottomley:

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https://pmbs.links2linux.de/package/show/home:jejb1:PackMan/mythtv

The big problem is that python2 has bitrotted on openSUSE (and actually every modern distribution) to the extent that it can't build mythtv anymore, so the only viable way forward is to move to python3. The tradoff other distros (like Debian Multimedia) have made to make this happen is to drop MythNetvision, which no-one seems to be able to get built with python 3 thanks to its reliance on obsolete packages that weren't forward ported. ···························++-

The obvious solution would be to drop MythNetvision, but there are no more posts.

Going further back, on March last year, someone asks about mythtv on TW. The answer by Carsten Ziepke mentions 15.4:

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Maybe you have an idea to fix this. ···························++-

I went back till August 2019. HTH :-)

Yes it does, that was quite useful. I guess I had better stick to Leap 15.1 (which is what my current systems are running) or maybe try for 15.2. Hmm, that's a pity, I was hoping to be able to upgrade. Good thing I didn't just 'zypper dup'. I have no idea what 'MythNetvision' is, but I am not about to start fiddling with it. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.4°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes

Per Jessen wrote:

I guess I had better stick to Leap 15.1 (which is what my current systems are running) or maybe try for 15.2.

It looks like 15.3 is still good, I'll be re-installing when I'm done typing. I completely understand that this is not the fault of anyone in particular, but it is a good answer to the question of "why aren't you upgrading?". -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.1°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes

On 2023-02-25 09:38, Per Jessen wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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I guess I had better stick to Leap 15.1 (which is what my current systems are running) or maybe try for 15.2.

It looks like 15.3 is still good, I'll be re-installing when I'm done typing.

I completely understand that this is not the fault of anyone in particular, but it is a good answer to the question of "why aren't you upgrading?".

You could keep the mythtv server doing the recordings, and try kodi as client, on another (updated) machine for trying. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2023-02-25 09:25, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2023-02-24 19:47, Per Jessen wrote:

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I agree mythtv is not easy to configure, I'm certainly open to something else, as long as my existing recordings can be easily migrated and as long as usability is not (seriously) impacted.

Maybe kodi.

I have used it once - for watching telly it works very well, but ISTR there was virtually no functionality for managing recordings.

There is a myriad of plugins. I actually use it for watching existing recordings. It has mythtv plugins, too.

OKay, maybe that is something to explore. I like the web-config interface of 'tvheadend', but I'm wondering how it suppports multiple backends. I still think it's wortj trying out though.

But it has a weird way of handling the media paths. The interface is designed for using with the infrared remote controller, not a keyboard.

So typing in my sql recording selections will not work :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.5°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes

On 2023-02-25 10:24, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2023-02-25 09:25, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2023-02-24 19:47, Per Jessen wrote:

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I agree mythtv is not easy to configure, I'm certainly open to something else, as long as my existing recordings can be easily migrated and as long as usability is not (seriously) impacted.

Maybe kodi.

I have used it once - for watching telly it works very well, but ISTR there was virtually no functionality for managing recordings.

There is a myriad of plugins. I actually use it for watching existing recordings. It has mythtv plugins, too.

OKay, maybe that is something to explore. I like the web-config interface of 'tvheadend', but I'm wondering how it suppports multiple backends. I still think it's wortj trying out though.

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But it has a weird way of handling the media paths. The interface is designed for using with the infrared remote controller, not a keyboard.

So typing in my sql recording selections will not work :-)

Oh, yes, it does (I use it with a wireless keyboard with integrated touch panel). But everything is huge sized. Just not a display with all options together. No calling a path or directory path or directory. You have to figure out the kodi-speak. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 2023-02-25 10:21, Per Jessen wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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I guess I had better stick to Leap 15.1 (which is what my current systems are running) or maybe try for 15.2.

It looks like 15.3 is still good, I'll be re-installing when I'm done typing.

Hmm, that didn't go far. First I had slight trouble adding an NFS filesystem, the Expert Partitioner had double use of a keyboard short cut. I managed anyway, but then YaST threw a wobbly when I tried to disable the firewall. I'm now going for 15.2, maybe I can 'zypper dup' it later.

partitioner? I'm confused: if you are doing the full 15.3 iso image boot and choose upgrade path, you do not get to see the partitioner. Warning: when using the dvd upgrade method, upgrade extra repository paths in advance. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2023-02-25 10:21, Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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I guess I had better stick to Leap 15.1 (which is what my current systems are running) or maybe try for 15.2.

It looks like 15.3 is still good, I'll be re-installing when I'm done typing.

Hmm, that didn't go far. First I had slight trouble adding an NFS filesystem, the Expert Partitioner had double use of a keyboard short cut. I managed anyway, but then YaST threw a wobbly when I tried to disable the firewall. I'm now going for 15.2, maybe I can 'zypper dup' it later.

partitioner? I'm confused: if you are doing the full 15.3 iso image boot and choose upgrade path, you do not get to see the partitioner.

I am not upgrading, I am doing a new install on separate hardware. Doing an upgrade would already have totally wrecked my system and I would have switched to a very different vocabulary in this thread :-) It turns out YaST in Leap 15.3 does not like you disabling the firewall :-) The installation is running now, I'll get rid of the firewall later. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.1°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes

On 2023-02-25 11:06, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2023-02-25 10:21, Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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Per Jessen wrote:

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I guess I had better stick to Leap 15.1 (which is what my current systems are running) or maybe try for 15.2.

It looks like 15.3 is still good, I'll be re-installing when I'm done typing.

Hmm, that didn't go far. First I had slight trouble adding an NFS filesystem, the Expert Partitioner had double use of a keyboard short cut. I managed anyway, but then YaST threw a wobbly when I tried to disable the firewall. I'm now going for 15.2, maybe I can 'zypper dup' it later.

partitioner? I'm confused: if you are doing the full 15.3 iso image boot and choose upgrade path, you do not get to see the partitioner.

I am not upgrading, I am doing a new install on separate hardware. Doing an upgrade would already have totally wrecked my system and I would have switched to a very different vocabulary in this thread :-)

Ah, ok. Understood. So, clients or server?

It turns out YaST in Leap 15.3 does not like you disabling the firewall :-) The installation is running now, I'll get rid of the firewall later.

Ah. Gran daddy speaks, thou must use a firewall :-D Just tell it you are on intranet. Ie, set interface to, forget the term, intranet, not external which is the default. Internal? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2023-02-25 11:06, Per Jessen wrote:

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I am not upgrading, I am doing a new install on separate hardware. Doing an upgrade would already have totally wrecked my system and I would have switched to a very different vocabulary in this thread :-)

Ah, ok. Understood.

So, clients or server?

Backends :-)

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It turns out YaST in Leap 15.3 does not like you disabling the firewall :-) The installation is running now, I'll get rid of the firewall later.

Ah. Gran daddy speaks, thou must use a firewall :-D

I might or I might not. I just don't like the default firewalld. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (6.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes

On 2023-02-25 11:28, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2023-02-25 11:06, Per Jessen wrote:

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I am not upgrading, I am doing a new install on separate hardware. Doing an upgrade would already have totally wrecked my system and I would have switched to a very different vocabulary in this thread :-)

Ah, ok. Understood.

So, clients or server?

Backends :-)

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It turns out YaST in Leap 15.3 does not like you disabling the firewall :-) The installation is running now, I'll get rid of the firewall later.

Ah. Gran daddy speaks, thou must use a firewall :-D

I might or I might not. I just don't like the default firewalld.

This machine is still running SuSEfirewall2. So is my server and my old laptop. My tiny laptop is on firewalld, and so is the machine at secondary location. I planned to migrate to firewalld, but with Leap stopping to be, I have no reason to. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)

Per Jessen wrote:

Brandnew 15.3 just now rebooting on backend#1.

Well, not quite. It looks like dracut in 15.3 is also suffering from bug#1206781. I didn't wait for the time-out, nor did I check the serial console, but there is no sysctl in the initrd. Fortunately it is easy to add with dracut. Rebuilding the initrd with xz compression also shaves off almost 4Mb. A little bit weird - /etc/resolv.conf did not get "populated". -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.8°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2023-02-25 12:38, Per Jessen wrote:

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Brandnew 15.3 just now rebooting on backend#1.

Well, not quite. It looks like dracut in 15.3 is also suffering from bug#1206781. I didn't wait for the time-out, nor did I check the serial console, but there is no sysctl in the initrd. Fortunately it is easy to add with dracut. Rebuilding the initrd with xz compression also shaves off almost 4Mb.

Are you using lilo on it? :-D

Most amusing :-) No, its booting over PXE. I was surprised to see xz compression saving about 20%, but of course it's hardly critical. Being able to configure configure dracut with /etc/dracut/conf.d/ is quite nice.

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A little bit weird - /etc/resolv.conf did not get "populated".

Maybe a symlink to somewhere in /run? It should then be populated by networkmanager when it starts.

There is no networkmanager here, but yes, it should have been populated, it's really weird. I stopped firewalld and rebooted, et voila!, I have a proper /etc/resolv.conf I can't really imagine firewalld having any influence though. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.0°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes

On 2023-02-25 13:08, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2023-02-25 12:38, Per Jessen wrote:

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Brandnew 15.3 just now rebooting on backend#1.

Well, not quite. It looks like dracut in 15.3 is also suffering from bug#1206781. I didn't wait for the time-out, nor did I check the serial console, but there is no sysctl in the initrd. Fortunately it is easy to add with dracut. Rebuilding the initrd with xz compression also shaves off almost 4Mb.

Are you using lilo on it? :-D

Most amusing :-) No, its booting over PXE. I was surprised to see xz compression saving about 20%, but of course it's hardly critical.

It is critical for those of us that have an old and separate /boot partition with a size that was ample ten years ago :-D

Being able to configure configure dracut with /etc/dracut/conf.d/ is quite nice.

I never had that need.

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A little bit weird - /etc/resolv.conf did not get "populated".

Maybe a symlink to somewhere in /run? It should then be populated by networkmanager when it starts.

There is no networkmanager here, but yes, it should have been populated, it's really weird. I stopped firewalld and rebooted, et voila!, I have a proper /etc/resolv.conf

I can't really imagine firewalld having any influence though.

True. Must be coincidence :-? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 11:20:04 +0100 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On 2023-02-25 10:59, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2023-02-25 10:24, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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But it has a weird way of handling the media paths. The interface is designed for using with the infrared remote controller, not a keyboard.

So typing in my sql recording selections will not work :-)

Oh, yes, it does (I use it with a wireless keyboard with integrated touch panel).

Is a mouse / touchpad an absolute just for navigating? Today I use only a keyboard.

I myself have no idea how to use kodi without a mouse. There is a keyboard guide somewhere, I would have to print it and have it near.

Maybe it works fine with a touch screen - just the thing for the sitting room (how long are your arms? Use a broom-stick!) :-D :-P

Seriously though, it might be designed for and infrared remote controller.

FWIW, I use TVHeadend to record programmes from Freeview (UK DVB-T2) and I know it can also record from satellite and cable and IPTV. It can also restream to other instances of itself etc (MPEG-TS I think but I've never tried to use it). I control which programmes to record and manage them using TVH's JS-based webui (there are actually a couple of other versions as well as the official one). I watch the programmes using Kodi, sometimes running on the same openSUSE box that TVH is running on, and started by clicking on TVH's UI. In that case Kodi is controlled usin gthe keyboard and mouse of my computer. Other times I use Kodi installed on a Fire TV connected to my TV. It gets access to the programmes via an NFS mount exported from the openSUSE box to the Fire TV. In this case Kodi is controlled using the Fire TV's remote and its UI is used to select the programme to play.

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Given that mythtv doesn't build for e.g. leap15.4, and probably isn't receiving the necessary care and attention, I have to be open to other options, but it's just a bigger project that I don't really want to take on right now.

Right, so keep the server as is. No problem :-)

I found TVH pretty straightforward to set up. I have a TBS DVB-T2 card which is a pain because its drivers need to be built out-of-tree. I recently bought a Hauppage card to replace it, which is supported in tree, but I haven't got around to replacing the TBS yet. (if it ain't broke don't fix it excuse for laziness :)

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 15:08:20 +0000 Dave Howorth wrote:

FWIW, I use TVHeadend to record programmes from Freeview (UK DVB-T2) and I know it can also record from satellite and cable and IPTV. It can also restream to other instances of itself etc (MPEG-TS I think but I've never tried to use it).

I control which programmes to record and manage them using TVH's JS-based webui (there are actually a couple of other versions as well as the official one). I watch the programmes using Kodi, sometimes running on the same openSUSE box that TVH is running on, and started by clicking on TVH's UI.

Oops, my fingers got ahead of my brain and I told a lie :( When I watch on my PC I use VLC for playback rather than Kodi (I like to be able to speed up the playback whilst keeping the sound on and intelligble :) I do use Kodi with the TV though.

In that case Kodi is controlled using the keyboard and mouse of my computer. Other times I use Kodi installed on a Fire TV connected to my TV. It gets access to the programmes via an NFS mount exported from the openSUSE box to the Fire TV. In this case Kodi is controlled using the Fire TV's remote and its UI is used to select the programme to play.

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Given that mythtv doesn't build for e.g. leap15.4, and probably isn't receiving the necessary care and attention, I have to be open to other options, but it's just a bigger project that I don't really want to take on right now.

Right, so keep the server as is. No problem :-)

I found TVH pretty straightforward to set up. I have a TBS DVB-T2 card which is a pain because its drivers need to be built out-of-tree. I recently bought a Hauppage card to replace it, which is supported in tree, but I haven't got around to replacing the TBS yet. (if it ain't broke don't fix it excuse for laziness :)

Dave Howorth wrote:

FWIW, I use TVHeadend to record programmes from Freeview (UK DVB-T2) and I know it can also record from satellite and cable and IPTV. It can also restream to other instances of itself etc (MPEG-TS I think but I've never tried to use it).

For now, I still have some reservations about tvh, but maybe they'll disappear when I get to try it out. I have a fresh backend machine ready with a Hauppage card and a satellite feed, I've just installed TVH, but I see there is a bit of a learning curve :-) The first scan failed, now I'm trying to see how I get another started. It's possible TVH and mythtv are tripping over each other - I have one quad LNB pointing at Astra, and of course both TVH and MythTV will want to control it. With MythTV, I usually have to enter * transponder frequency * signal rate * polarization * DVB-S or S2. TVH seemed to skip all that, at least on the first go :-) -- Per Jessen, Zürich (4.2°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 19:29:25 +0100 Per Jessen wrote:

Per Jessen wrote:

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FWIW, I use TVHeadend to record programmes from Freeview (UK DVB-T2) and I know it can also record from satellite and cable and IPTV. It can also restream to other instances of itself etc (MPEG-TS I think but I've never tried to use it).

For now, I still have some reservations about tvh, but maybe they'll disappear when I get to try it out. I have a fresh backend machine ready with a Hauppage card and a satellite feed,

I've just installed TVH, but I see there is a bit of a learning curve :-) The first scan failed, now I'm trying to see how I get another started.

Using the wizard, I think I managed to do a scan of Astra 26.2 - 83 new muxes found, but they all failed scanning :-(

I dunno anything about satellite TV sorry. I'm sure people on the TVH forum do if you get stuck.

On 2/25/23 12:27, Dave Howorth wrote:

On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 08:40:45 -0800 Lew Wolfgang wrote:

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On 2/24/23 12:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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https://pmbs.links2linux.de/package/show/home:jejb1:PackMan/mythtv

The big problem is that python2 has bitrotted on openSUSE (and actually every modern distribution) to the extent that it can't build mythtv anymore, so the only viable way forward is to move to python3.  The tradoff other distros (like Debian Multimedia) have made to make this happen is to drop MythNetvision, which no-one seems to be able to get built with python 3 thanks to its reliance on obsolete packages that weren't forward ported. I haven't been following this thread too closely, and I know nothing about mythtv, we're Tivo users, so please pardon my ignorance.

Python's move to version 3 has caused us years worth of heartache, we had lots of code to port.  The most recent problem we've seen is Leap 15.4 not supporting the full version of TensorFlow, a Python module used for machine learning.  We "seem" to have licked the problem by going to Anaconda, which allows you to install a full Python environment that unfolds in your home directory and so doesn't interfere with any core operating system modules.  I think you can install it in system-wide areas if you want.

It looks like you can download older versions of Python too, including Python2.  So you might be able to craft a Python2 environment to avoid Leap's bit-rotted version.  It's easy to play with since it installs in a home directory and is invoked by some code in ~/.bashrc, so you can create a test user and have a go at it without threatening anything.

https://www.anaconda.com

Our TensorFlow users are happy now. According to https://www.tensorflow.org/install

"TensorFlow is tested and supported on the following 64-bit systems:

"Python 3.7–3.10"

So it sounds like it's Leap's prehistoric software age.

I see also that https://software.opensuse.org/package/python3 says

"There is no official package available for openSUSE Leap 15.4"

Eh, no official python package! What am I missing?

I found a TensorFlow2-lite for Leap 15.4, but my user tried it and it failed.  The full Anaconda one worked fine. Regards, Lew

On 2023-02-26 10:14, Per Jessen wrote:

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One thing I'm about to go and study is whether TVH supports multiple instances. I will probably have/need five.

A trick if they don't, is using 5 users instead. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 19:29:25 +0100 Per Jessen wrote:

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Using the wizard, I think I managed to do a scan of Astra 26.2 - 83 new muxes found, but they all failed scanning :-(

I dunno anything about satellite TV sorry. I'm sure people on the TVH forum do if you get stuck.

I was a little disappointed to see that there is no mailing list.

Yes, me too, but the forum is fine and has a post-by-post RSS feed so it's fairly easy to follow. There's apparently also an IRC channel.

I'll play around some more - so far my gut feeling isn't too positive, but maybe if I get to know it better.

I find the web interface to be a little overwhelming, way more complex than mythtv, but perhaps mostly because they have mixed operations and configuration.

Yes there are a lot of screens, all slightly different :) For normal operation DVR/Finished-Reordings, DVR/Upcoming & EPG are the main ones. Configuration & Status I use when I need to and then find the Help button on the right-hand side is very useful, plus a browser on the out-of-date docs. :( http://docs.tvheadend.org/

One thing I'm about to go and study is whether TVH supports multiple instances. I will probably have/need five.

I believe it does and you can connect them together. I've no need though so have never tried.

Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2023-02-26 12:15, Per Jessen wrote:

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Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2023-02-26 10:14, Per Jessen wrote:

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Dave Howorth wrote:

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One thing I'm about to go and study is whether TVH supports multiple instances. I will probably have/need five.

A trick if they don't, is using 5 users instead.

Huh? I'm not sure what that means. I need those five machines to work together as one, not as individual boxes. Both for recording and playback.

Oh, ok, 5 machines. Confussion here. To me, 5 instances means 5 instances of the same program running in the same machine.

You're right, my mistake. Not instances, but five individual machines, each with a receiver card (four Hauppage, one dual with support for two CA cards). Currently two individual machines, that I expect to replace/upgrade. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (0.0°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes

On 2023-02-26 19:00, Per Jessen wrote:

Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 10:14:39 +0100 Per Jessen <> wrote:

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Dave Howorth wrote:

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On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 19:29:25 +0100 Per Jessen <> wrote:

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Using the wizard, I think I managed to do a scan of Astra 26.2 - 83 new muxes found, but they all failed scanning :-(

I dunno anything about satellite TV sorry. I'm sure people on the TVH forum do if you get stuck.

I was a little disappointed to see that there is no mailing list.

Yes, me too, but the forum is fine and has a post-by-post RSS feed so it's fairly easy to follow. There's apparently also an IRC channel.

As an old greybeard, I am allergic to projects without mailing lists. It just makes me uneasy.

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I find the web interface to be a little overwhelming, way more complex than mythtv, but perhaps mostly because they have mixed operations and configuration.

Yes there are a lot of screens, all slightly different :) For normal operation DVR/Finished-Reordings, DVR/Upcoming & EPG are the main ones. Configuration & Status I use when I need to and then find the Help button on the right-hand side is very useful, plus a browser on the out-of-date docs. :( http://docs.tvheadend.org/

I admit my initial impression is a bit mixed. I was gobsmacked to find there is a man page for 'tvheadend'. Very positive sign.

I am less enthused by (apparently) having to use a web interface for everything except watching telly. Today, I never use a browser, all I need to do is run a re-scan of configured satellites, maybe every couple of months. Tonight I might watch a couple of new episodes of "Silent Witness" and I might notice the teaser for <the next big thing>, coming up in two weeks. Quickly set a bookmark (hit space), exit and go to "Search titles" - title found, edit recording schedule, record all, done. Resume watching "Silent Witness". No browser, no mouse(!). Having to use the mouse would be - disastrous. (okay, maybe just ridiculously uncomfortable).

:-D I write the name in paper, then search for it later. I have to type the name using the IR tv controller. If not found, I also search using a tablet for Prime.

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One thing I'm about to go and study is whether TVH supports multiple instances. I will probably have/need five.

I believe it does and you can connect them together. I've no need though so have never tried.

We'll see how far I get - for now, I am reverting my new backend installation to openSUSE 15.1, to avoid a database schema upgrade. I can't quite tell what the impact of an upgrade might be.

Huh. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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We'll see how far I get - for now, I am reverting my new backend installation to openSUSE 15.1, to avoid a database schema upgrade. I can't quite tell what the impact of an upgrade might be.

Huh.

MythTV will sometimes update the database schema, and I thought they had managed to enable some level of cooperation between different versions. I have just checked with the mythtv list and it seems I was wrong. So now I'll go finish that 15.1 install. I'd like to run mythtv on this new box first, to make sure there is no problem with the LNB or the wiring etc. Once I know the hardware side is good, I can continue with TVH. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (1.6°C) Member, openSUSE Heroes (2016 - present) We're hiring - https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Heroes