On 8/18/05, Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 8/18/05, Jie Li wrote:

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It's kind of off-topic. but I asked this question a couple of weeks ago. and now I have the solution:

you will be surprised I strongly recommend this extension. you should give a try!!

Why would you do that? Do you want the websites that you visit to require fees and registration? That's just plain stupid. Go remove it. By the way, google won't get any money for putting ads on your screem if you never click these URL. I never click them, that's why it makes no difference for me to block these ads or not. Did you actually click these ads?

Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/425/red_hot_chili_peppers.php Red Hot Chili Peppers Song Lyrics

On 8/18/05, Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 8/18/05, Jie Li wrote:

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By the way, google won't get any money for putting ads on your screem if you never click these URL. I never click them, that's why it makes no difference for me to block these ads or not. Did you actually click these ads?

I click them if I see something interesting. And google being what it is, I often see something relevant to the site I'm visiting (though not always interesting). How do you think those sites pay the bills? If it makes no difference to you, then why block them?

It works in this way: putting an ads on the screen won't bring Google and money, but if you click these URLs once, google get 10 cent or something from these sites. That's how google makes money. I does make difference for me, because now I can choose I need these ads or not. Blocking them on my PC makes no difference to google, I actually never click them, or maybe one or two times a week. What this cumstomizegoogle extension does is to filter certain kind of content which you do not want to see on you screen. You can also disable this ads-blocking function if you really want it. But that's not all of them, it can also bring you something more. You can just try and you will see how good it is. We have the right to decide what we want to see.

And you should know, the number of people clicking ads is not the only factor. The fact that google can put the ads on gmail will bring advertisers to gmail. It's the potential for customer reach. I would not be suprised if google blocks you from gmail for blocking the ads.

How does google know that I am blocking the ads? if it does, I think a lot of people will switch to some other webmail. Google is not the only choice.

Dotan Cohen http://lyricslist.com/lyrics/artist_albums/166/doobie_brothers.php Doobie Brothers Song Lyrics

On Thursday, August 18, 2005 @ 7:37 AM, Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Thursday 18 August 2005 05:11, Jie Li wrote:

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How does google know that I am blocking the ads? if it does, I think a lot of people will switch to some other webmail. Google is not the only choice.

Every server "knows" what its clients do. The fact that your browser does not retrieve all the resources associated with a given HTML page (obviously a dynamic entity in this case) is just as detectable as the fact that it does retrieve them.

True. Of course, people often set their browser to disable scripting, and other things. If those scripts, etc. were written to do call backs, then the call backs would not happen and they would be aware of that, but that happens all the time and is pretty much expected.

If you don't want your activities using a service to be known and tracked, you shouldn't use it.

True, but unless you're cutting off their revenue by going to their sponsored sites while bypassing their counters or something like that I don't think they will care.

Randall Schulz

Greg Wallace

John, On Thursday 18 August 2005 23:50, John Andersen wrote:

On Thursday 18 August 2005 07:36 am, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Every server "knows" what its clients do. The fact that your browser does not retrieve all the resources associated with a given HTML page (obviously a dynamic entity in this case) is just as detectable as the fact that it does retrieve them.

Yeah, but but but.... No one has time to wade thru logs to see if a user got every last component of a web page. Its just not done in practice.

I can tell you with 100% authority that you are _wrong_. Server log analysis is just one form of data mining, and big e-commerce providers, including Google, do extensive analysis of patterns of use. If you haven't seen the kinds of information they derive from logs, you'd probably be quite amazed at the breadth, depth and intricacy of the information they extract from Web server logs.

Some sites have experimented with blocking the main page till the ad was retrieved, or delaying the main page an annoyingly long time if an ad was not retrieved. (CNN tried this for a while).

Other than that sort of automated annoyance, no one cares or "knows" if a user is blocking some types of resource.

We're talking about money (advertising revenue, e.g.), and business people care a lot about money and they put a lot of money into knowing what they need to know to keep making more money. Randall Schulz

On 18/08/05, Sid Boyce wrote:

Jie Li wrote:

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It's kind of off-topic. but I asked this question a couple of weeks ago. and now I have the solution:

install firefox install cumstomizegoogle extension

you will be surprised I strongly recommend this extension. you should give a try!!

www.cumstomizegoogle.com for more information

My opinion on this may be held to be controversial. I feel that ad blocking is a two edged sword. Many websites are kept going solely by advertising. Yes, they annoy the hell out of me but I put up with them. My feeling is that without the ad's the web would not be at the stage of development it is now. It would quite possibly still be at the geeks level of pure text web pages etc. On the other hand of course, some sites are just ridiculous advertising portals full stop. I tend to only visit this type of site once....it soon gets blacklisted :-) -- Take care. Kevan Farmer 34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

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On 18/08/05, Sid Boyce wrote:

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Jie Li wrote:

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It's kind of off-topic. but I asked this question a couple of weeks ago. and now I have the solution:

install firefox install cumstomizegoogle extension

you will be surprised I strongly recommend this extension. you should give a try!!

www.cumstomizegoogle.com for more information

My opinion on this may be held to be controversial. I feel that ad blocking is a two edged sword. Many websites are kept going solely by advertising. Yes, they annoy the hell out of me but I put up with them. My feeling is that without the ad's the web would not be at the stage of development it is now. It would quite possibly still be at the geeks level of pure text web pages etc. On the other hand of course, some sites are just ridiculous advertising portals full stop. I tend to only visit this type of site once....it soon gets blacklisted :-)

-- Take care. Kevan Farmer

34 Hill Street Cheslyn Hay Staffordshire WS6 7HR

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Kevanf1 wrote:

On 18/08/05, Sid Boyce wrote:

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Jie Li wrote:

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It's kind of off-topic. but I asked this question a couple of weeks ago. and now I have the solution:

install firefox install cumstomizegoogle extension

you will be surprised I strongly recommend this extension. you should give a try!!

www.cumstomizegoogle.com for more information

My opinion on this may be held to be controversial. I feel that ad blocking is a two edged sword. Many websites are kept going solely by advertising. Yes, they annoy the hell out of me but I put up with them. My feeling is that without the ad's the web would not be at the stage of development it is now. It would quite possibly still be at the geeks level of pure text web pages etc. On the other hand of course, some sites are just ridiculous advertising portals full stop. I tend to only visit this type of site once....it soon gets blacklisted :-)

I tend to block the persistent sites like ads.doubleclick that are a nuisance and at times hold up transfers for quite a time. I don't need to Get The Facts, I allow HP, IBM and some others. I shall have a look at the extensions again to see how to permanently block sites from within firefox. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks

On 8/18/05, Sid Boyce wrote:

Jie Li wrote:

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It's kind of off-topic. but I asked this question a couple of weeks ago. and now I have the solution:

install firefox install cumstomizegoogle extension

you will be surprised I strongly recommend this extension. you should give a try!!

www.cumstomizegoogle.com for more information

I couldn't find the article when I searched for it later, but I remembered at least part of the solution for blocking ads -- in /etc/hosts point the site URL to 127.0.0.1, e.g 127.0.0.1 207-87-18-203.wsmg.digex.net 127.0.0.1 Garden.ngadcenter.net 127.0.0.1 Ogilvy.ngadcenter.net 127.0.0.1 ResponseMedia-ad.flycast.com 127.0.0.1 Suissa-ad.flycast.com 127.0.0.1 UGO.eu-adcenter.net 127.0.0.1 VNU.eu-adcenter.net 127.0.0.1 a32.g.a.yimg.com 127.0.0.1 ad-adex3.flycast.com 127.0.0.1 ad.adsmart.net 127.0.0.1 ad.ca.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.de.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.fr.doubleclick.net 127.0.0.1 ad.doubleclick.net

I've also read that there is an upcoming feature for konqueror that will be able to block ad sites permanently with simply configuring "ad.*", "*gardencenter.*" etc. in the ad blocker. The only hangover from pointing to 127.0.0.1 is that it leaves a bold "Object Not Found" "The requested URL was not found on this server .....blah..blah...blah" on the page. I can't remember if the article did mention how to stop that appearing. The one drawback with ad blocking in mozilla/firefox is that it does not permanently block the ads, at least I haven't found a way to do it. some extension of firefox really do this. you should go to the site and see how good are they. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks

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