On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Clayton wrote:

Is your BitTorrent client configured right? Have you forwarded the ports in your firewall? Does your ISP throttle torrent traffic? I just queued up the PPC torrent and it's coming in at over 200kbps... actually faster than the 32 and 64 bit ISOs.

Yes, it has picked up to about 60+ now, but that's because there are now 2 people seeding with 100% of the file. When I sent the original message, that was not the case. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 04 May 2008 10:44:25 am Bob Williams wrote:

On Saturday 03 May 2008 18:58:36 Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Clayton wrote:

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Is your BitTorrent client configured right? Have you forwarded the ports in your firewall? Does your ISP throttle torrent traffic? I just queued up the PPC torrent and it's coming in at over 200kbps... actually faster than the 32 and 64 bit ISOs.

Yes, it has picked up to about 60+ now, but that's because there are now 2 people seeding with 100% of the file. When I sent the original message, that was not the case.

I do wish people would leave their torrent software running after they've reached 100%. Yes, I know some of you do, it's the others I'm talking to :)

-- Bob Registered Linux User #463880 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 10.3, Kernel 2.6.22.17-0.1-default, KDE 3.5.9 Intel Celeron 2.53GB, 2GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 7600GS

I keep mine seeding but only while my computer is on, which isn't very often. After the first few days of seeding I remove the torrent, since I would get in quite the trouble if I seeded while at work :P I would love http downloads of the dvd also :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Sam Clemens wrote:

I don't know what you two are complaining about. The full install DVD's ARE available via FTP/HTTP.

Yes, they are available from mirrors, but there were no links to the mirrors on the main site. They've only just changed it to allow you to download the dvds by http. Before it was bittorrent only. I have never gotten the max download speed that FTP will give me using bittorrent. When I downloaded beta2 from the mirror provided in this thread I got 350+ the whole time. Never ever gotten anywhere near that by bittorrent. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Sam Clemens wrote:

The big problem with light/moderately downloaded material is that a few people using FTP seriously detracts from the speed of the torrent...which pushes more people to the FTP...vicious circle, and soon you have a bunch of people hitting the FTP at not-too-great speeds, who, if they were ALL on the torrent, would be getting great speeds AND the suse server wouldn't be getting beat up.

It's too bad we can't make a protocol that forcibly transfers a large number of downloaders from FTP to the torrent.

Then I would go somewhere else. Bittorrent can be a good thing IF people seed. When they don't, then it's useless. And, some FTP programs can resume in case of interuption. IIRC, there's an addon to Firefox that will do just that. I've been stuck too many times watching a 99.5% torrent and been unable to do anything. With FTP, you know it will be finished and won't just hang on you. Plus, that's why there are mirrors. I always try to use a mirror instead of the main server when it's available. Plus, with all the ISPs acting like bittorrent is ONLY for stealing copyrighted material and trottling it(which may or not be the case with my verizon connection), it's just too much of a hassle. My 768k DSL has never pushed faster than 400k per second, so a 350+ kb/s download from an FTP site is better than a bittorrent that gos up and down and takes at least 2-3 times longer to do the same thing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 6:05 PM, John Andersen wrote:

This is often a bug in the bittorrent client, because you KNOW that 100% is always available (after all OpenSuse's seeders are always on line). Sometimes you just have to kick/ban specific peers such that you select different peers. Newer clients seem less prone to the 99% forever syndrome.

If it's a bug, it's a KTorrent bug. That's the only program I have ever used

You aren't on Comcast are you?

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Larry Stotler wrote:

On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Sam Clemens wrote:

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The big problem with light/moderately downloaded material is that a few people using FTP seriously detracts from the speed of the torrent...which pushes more people to the FTP...vicious circle, and soon you have a bunch of people hitting the FTP at not-too-great speeds, who, if they were ALL on the torrent, would be getting great speeds AND the suse server wouldn't be getting beat up.

It's too bad we can't make a protocol that forcibly transfers a large number of downloaders from FTP to the torrent.

Then I would go somewhere else. Bittorrent can be a good thing IF people seed. When they don't, then it's useless. And, some FTP

When you're trying to download, bittorrent enforces downloading penalties for less-than-enthusiastic uploading, and very severe ones for not seeding at all.

programs can resume in case of interuption. IIRC, there's an addon to Firefox that will do just that.

I've been stuck too many times watching a 99.5% torrent and been unable to do anything. With FTP, you know it will be finished and won't just hang on you. Plus, that's why there are mirrors. I always try to use a mirror instead of the main server when it's available.

Which further fractions the torrent :-(

Plus, with all the ISPs acting like bittorrent is ONLY for stealing copyrighted material and trottling it(which may or not be the case with my verizon connection),

I haven't had a serious problem there. If you think they're interfering with your bittorrent feeds, then send them legal notice that they're in breach of contract and to stop that shit, because that's not in your service contract.

it's just too much of a hassle. My 768k DSL has never pushed faster than 400k per second, so a 350+ kb/s download from an FTP site is better than a bittorrent that gos up and down and takes at least 2-3 times longer to do the same thing.

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On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:37 PM, John Andersen wrote:

As it would happen, Slashdot has a pertinent story on this. The comments are more enlightening than the original post.

http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/04/2230252

Yeah, I read that earlier. I can see that being a good use for it. However, I have had torrents which were fractioned and had to redownload via FTP to fix the problem. Always remember that the main advantage for Linux is choice, not what someone thinks is the best. I can still run openSuSE on my Powerbook Wallstreet with a G3/266 and the devs help fix any problems I find even though it's a 10 year old computer. That's one of the biggest reasons I've always stuck with SuSE is because it works on my hardware. I was grateful that they re-added PPC support with v10.0(which I have beta tested for them for what 4 years now since they returned support). Most distros have dropped support for PPC and/or Old World machines, but so far not SuSE. So, having a choice of download options is better as well. IMHO at least. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-05-04 at 20:38 -0400, Larry Stotler wrote:

Maybe you misunderstood. I meant I try to use a mirror when I do an FTP transfer. When you get right down to it, bittorrent is ok for popular files, but anything that gets old has less and less people seeding. I can go right now to a SuSE mirror and probably pull the v10.0(or 10.1 if the 10.0 ones are pulled because of age)isos at full speed. Very doubtful that anyone is still seeding them. While torrents help balance the load across many connections, popularity is the biggest problem. Maybe if you could get all the FTP mirrors to also share the files via torrent, that would improve things.

In your last sentence above you hit the nail: the big servers have to be an important part of the torrent swarm. If nobody else is seeding, the download would at least go as fast as the same server serving ftp, and even faster if people downloading it also seeds. But it is very important that at the nucleus are the big servers feeding it to everybody wanting it. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIHmo8tTMYHG2NR9URAgLrAJ9mt8gF3oTSx9L538HWYs+2yfmavQCgjHQy HERkRlHkB5H6rRt7Vm7ujfU= =7d5x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2008-05-04 at 22:19 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:

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In your last sentence above you hit the nail: the big servers have to be an important part of the torrent swarm. If nobody else is seeding, the download would at least go as fast as the same server serving ftp, and even faster if people downloading it also seeds. But it is very important that at the nucleus are the big servers feeding it to everybody wanting it.

Most broadband connections have speed ratio 4:1 for download vs.upload. Even if torrent users would disconnect right after they receive complete file, 25% more users will be served without any further investment on a server side.

Provided the "server side" gives to torrent the same bandwidth they give for ftp alone. If the "server side" is compossed of small servers, then no wonder that ftp is way faster. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIHuI0tTMYHG2NR9URAlmjAJ4ulC+FHFJb2flBOfxSW87i/r8dTgCglB13 HBR1jmZekgAQIRAOzctGRgw= =r6rR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bob Williams wrote:

On Saturday 03 May 2008 18:58:36 Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Clayton wrote:

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Is your BitTorrent client configured right? Have you forwarded the ports in your firewall? Does your ISP throttle torrent traffic? I just queued up the PPC torrent and it's coming in at over 200kbps... actually faster than the 32 and 64 bit ISOs. Yes, it has picked up to about 60+ now, but that's because there are now 2 people seeding with 100% of the file. When I sent the original message, that was not the case.

I do wish people would leave their torrent software running after they've reached 100%. Yes, I know some of you do, it's the others I'm talking to :)

Yeah, I always do... throttled back severely, but high enough to keep my share ratio above 1.0 -- if anything, to have good stats for the next time I have to download something (since the scheduler algorithms favor those who provide as much or more than they recieve). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org