Hi all, This is my first post to this list that were sent with KMail. I used SuSE 7.1 before, and can't sent e-mail to this list, and only once sent it through web-mail. I want to introduce my self to this list. My first experience with Linux is Red Hat Linux 6.2. At that time I bought a Red Hat Tip Server books by George M. Doss. I install it (on the same HD/computer) more than 6 times, trying every combination. I use it for about 1 week full time (not dual boot), and change back to BeOS. After that, my second try with Linux is SuSE 7.1. I don't remember when it is, but I believe it's around march 2001. I bought it because my favorite OS is dead. I install it, and played with it for 1 week without dual boot, then decide to let SuSE in my HD. Since then, I use BeOS 75%, SuSE 25%. And the percentage move toward SuSE. In October, after getting more used to SuSE, I finnally dump BeOS, and using SuSE 100%. I joined several SuSE & KDE mailing list, but can't send any e-mail to the list. I want to upgrade to new KMail to be able to comunicate with fellow Linux user, but I already order the SuSE 7.3, and don't want to strugle with 7.1. Anyway, I just installed my 7.3 last year. well, 2001 is last year ;). and I'm VERY HAPPY with it. It's great. The improvement over 7.1 is fantastic. I think if I can compare it to MS windows, the improvement of 7.1 to 7.3 is like win95 to win98. The different is SuSE did it in less than 3 years ;). Good Job. And you guys deserve my money. bellow is my journey before I land in SuSE. ------------------- My first OS is DOS 2.0. I don't really care about OS at that time, and just use it. After Windows 3.x come out, I bought a 486DX2-66 pre-loaded with it. That's the time I'm more aware of OS. I read PC Magazine & Byte and decide to buy OS/2 Warp 4 in early 1995. I use it until october, then bought new computer pre-loaded with Windows 95. I dual boot the windows & OS/2. Although I like OS/2 more than Windows95, I can't find enough resource to make me using it more and more. And that time it's also the time that I play a lot of computer games. So I ditch OS/2. In 1998 I saw an article about dual celeron project that lead me to BeOS. I bought BeOS & love it.... and ditch Windows. Unfortunately, Be Incorporated went bankrupt & can't support BeOS anymore. So, I must find replacement OS, because If I want to upgrade (say to Pentium4) in the future or using new hardware, I can't use BeOS anymore. Since it's not supported & no driver for it. So, here I am. Although I still miss several BeOS feature such as the fast & responsive GUI, I think Linux is very great. It's improvement rate is very fast. Anyway, I am a proud user of SuSE 7.3 Proffesional. Best,
Welcome to the list and thank you for the nice introduction. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Isen Kusima [mailto:cycnus@cbn.net.id] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 6:51 AM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: [SLE] Hi all - new user Hi all, This is my first post to this list that were sent with KMail. I used SuSE 7.1 before, and can't sent e-mail to this list, and only once sent it through web-mail. I want to introduce my self to this list. My first experience with Linux is Red Hat Linux 6.2. At that time I bought a Red Hat Tip Server books by George M. Doss. I install it (on the same HD/computer) more than 6 times, trying every combination. I use it for about 1 week full time (not dual boot), and change back to BeOS. After that, my second try with Linux is SuSE 7.1. I don't remember when it is, but I believe it's around march 2001. I bought it because my favorite OS is dead. I install it, and played with it for 1 week without dual boot, then decide to let SuSE in my HD. Since then, I use BeOS 75%, SuSE 25%. And the percentage move toward SuSE. In October, after getting more used to SuSE, I finnally dump BeOS, and using SuSE 100%. I joined several SuSE & KDE mailing list, but can't send any e-mail to the list. I want to upgrade to new KMail to be able to comunicate with fellow Linux user, but I already order the SuSE 7.3, and don't want to strugle with 7.1. Anyway, I just installed my 7.3 last year. well, 2001 is last year ;). and I'm VERY HAPPY with it. It's great. The improvement over 7.1 is fantastic. I think if I can compare it to MS windows, the improvement of 7.1 to 7.3 is like win95 to win98. The different is SuSE did it in less than 3 years ;). Good Job. And you guys deserve my money. bellow is my journey before I land in SuSE. ------------------- My first OS is DOS 2.0. I don't really care about OS at that time, and just use it. After Windows 3.x come out, I bought a 486DX2-66 pre-loaded with it. That's the time I'm more aware of OS. I read PC Magazine & Byte and decide to buy OS/2 Warp 4 in early 1995. I use it until october, then bought new computer pre-loaded with Windows 95. I dual boot the windows & OS/2. Although I like OS/2 more than Windows95, I can't find enough resource to make me using it more and more. And that time it's also the time that I play a lot of computer games. So I ditch OS/2. In 1998 I saw an article about dual celeron project that lead me to BeOS. I bought BeOS & love it.... and ditch Windows. Unfortunately, Be Incorporated went bankrupt & can't support BeOS anymore. So, I must find replacement OS, because If I want to upgrade (say to Pentium4) in the future or using new hardware, I can't use BeOS anymore. Since it's not supported & no driver for it. So, here I am. Although I still miss several BeOS feature such as the fast & responsive GUI, I think Linux is very great. It's improvement rate is very fast. Anyway, I am a proud user of SuSE 7.3 Proffesional. Best, -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the archives at http://lists.suse.com
Isen Kusima wrote:
My first OS is DOS 2.0. I don't really care about OS at that time, and just use it.
What, you never had a Commodore? :)
After Windows 3.x come out, I bought a 486DX2-66 pre-loaded with it. That's the time I'm more aware of OS. I read PC Magazine & Byte and decide to buy OS/2 Warp 4 in early 1995. I use it until october, then bought new computer pre-loaded with Windows 95. I dual boot the windows & OS/2.
Although I like OS/2 more than Windows95, I can't find enough resource to make me using it more and more.
Sad but true! OS/2 was killed by the fact that it could easily run Windows 3.x apps: so why develop for OS/2? That and the whole issue of Microsoft's behavior re. IBM. I ran OS/2 from 2.0 through Warp 4, and still have it on two machines. I boot it when I need to remind myself what a *real* desktop environment should be like (as opposed to that <flame-bait>tinker-toy KDE</flame-bait>). But then I reboot Linux because I start to feel sad...
In 1998 I saw an article about dual celeron project that lead me to BeOS. I bought BeOS & love it.... and ditch Windows. Unfortunately, Be Incorporated went bankrupt & can't support BeOS anymore. So, I must find replacement OS, because If I want to upgrade (say to Pentium4) in the future or using new hardware, I can't use BeOS anymore. Since it's not supported & no driver for it.
That sounds familiar, too. BeOS never even had the share that OS/2 had, but it was so new and exciting (and of course blindingly fast)! Also still on one of my machines.
Anyway, I am a proud user of SuSE 7.3 Proffesional.
You made the right choice. SuSE Linux rules, and will only get better. I started with Slackware in '95, and made Linux my primary operating system when I switched to SuSE in '98. I have never been happier with an operating system (not to mention the $thousands it has saved the company I work for). -- ======================================================= Glenn Holmer (gholmer@ameritech.net) ------------------------------------------------------- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. (In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.) ------------------------------------------------------- -H. P. Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu", 1926 =======================================================
On Tuesday 01 January 2002 22:53, Glenn Holmer wrote:
Isen Kusima wrote:
My first OS is DOS 2.0. I don't really care about OS at that time, and just use it.
What, you never had a Commodore? :)
I was 6 or 7 when I first played king quest on my dad XT computer ;) and english is not my first language.... go figure... I'm not old enough ;)))))
Although I like OS/2 more than Windows95, I can't find enough resource to make me using it more and more.
Sad but true! OS/2 was killed by the fact that it could easily run Windows 3.x apps: so why develop for OS/2? That and the whole issue of Microsoft's behavior re. IBM. I ran OS/2 from 2.0 through Warp 4, and still have it on two machines. I boot it when I need to remind myself what a *real* desktop environment should be like (as opposed to that <flame-bait>tinker-toy KDE</flame-bait>). But then I reboot Linux because I start to feel sad...
I don't use OS/2 anymore. I always upgrade, ever since I can open the computer casing by myself. So, I don't have old computer lying around. Beside that, I'm a poor tenager when I bought a legitimate copy OS/2 with my own pocket money. I don't have the luxury of having multiple computer.
In 1998 I saw an article about dual celeron project that lead me to BeOS. I bought BeOS & love it.... and ditch Windows. Unfortunately, Be Incorporated went bankrupt & can't support BeOS anymore. So, I must find replacement OS, because If I want to upgrade (say to Pentium4) in the future or using new hardware, I can't use BeOS anymore. Since it's not supported & no driver for it.
That sounds familiar, too. BeOS never even had the share that OS/2 had, but it was so new and exciting (and of course blindingly fast)! Also still on one of my machines.
;)) I still have the R4, R4.5, R5 CD. But the OS is not on my computer anymore. I want to concentrate using SuSE.
Anyway, I am a proud user of SuSE 7.3 Proffesional.
You made the right choice. SuSE Linux rules, and will only get better. I started with Slackware in '95, and made Linux my primary operating system when I switched to SuSE in '98. I have never been happier with an operating system (not to mention the $thousands it has saved the company I work for).
Could you tell more stories about this. I want to know the acceptance of Linux in the company.
Isen Kusima wrote:
You made the right choice. SuSE Linux rules, and will only get better. I started with Slackware in '95, and made Linux my primary operating system when I switched to SuSE in '98. I have never been happier with an operating system (not to mention the $thousands it has saved the company I work for).
Could you tell more stories about this. I want to know the acceptance of Linux in the company.
I brought Linux into our company in '97 or '98, when we upgraded a NetWare server, leaving an unused one for me to play with. I was quickly able to show that it could connect to NetWare, OS/2, Windows, and our AS/400 and share files and services with all. Although management did not immediately see the potential, I kept experimenting in my spare time. In early '99, the company was preparing to move to a new corporate headquarters and warehouse complex, and I was assigned to rewrite the interface between our domestic factory and the new warehouse. Not wanting to trust it to a Microsoft operating system while at the same time wanting to make it available to Windows users, I chose to write the application in Java, with the machines on the factory floor running Linux. The factory manager and people in the office there run Windows, and access the same Java programs from the same Linux file server (Linux users with NFS, and Windows users with Samba). The production information is stored in a Postgres database on a Linux server, and transferred to the warehouse AS/400 at shipment time using the IBM AS/400 Toolbox for Java. In addition, we have a number of barcode labeling and other utility programs written in Java which run mainly on Linux (e.g. on the warehouse floor). Java development is done using NetBeans (netbeans.org), which runs equally well on Windows and Linux, giving our developers the choice of which operating system to use. As time went on, more people learned to use Linux, so I don't have to do everything any more. Since then, we have salesman order entry site on a big Compaq SMP box running Apache and Tomcat, another running SuSE mail server, and the original Postgres and file servers have been combined on a slightly smaller Compaq that also hosts an intranet. The only crashes we have ever seen were from a) catastrophic disk failure and b) incorrect network driver installed. Current uptimes are 159 days for the web server, and 111 days for the file server (had a kernel upgrade last summer). I believe the old Postgres server's uptime was about a year when it was replaced. (I don't have permission to the mail server.) So you can imagine the cost savings: I ordered the factory and warehouse PCs from a company that would install without Windows, Postgres free, Apache free, Tomcat free, Samba free, NetBeans free, SuSE mail server very reasonable. There is still a bit of an issue because not all of our sysadmins have followed through and learned as much Linux as they should have done, but the cost savings were so obvious they couldn't have been ignored (compare MS SQL Server license costs to Postgres, for example). In other words, like in many shops, it started with a small server in the corner of the machine room, and expanded from there as it proved itself. The big selling point has been that because of the use of Java and other open protocols, it hasn't been an "either-or" decision. We like SuSE :) -- ======================================================= Glenn Holmer (gholmer@ameritech.net) ------------------------------------------------------- Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. (In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming.) ------------------------------------------------------- -H. P. Lovecraft, "The Call of Cthulhu", 1926 =======================================================
On Wednesday 02 January 2002 02:55, Glenn Holmer wrote: <snip>
So you can imagine the cost savings: I ordered the factory and warehouse PCs from a company that would install without Windows, Postgres free, Apache free, Tomcat free, Samba free, NetBeans free, SuSE mail server very reasonable. There is still a bit of an issue because not all of our sysadmins have followed through and learned as much Linux as they should have done, but the cost savings were so obvious they couldn't have been ignored (compare MS SQL Server license costs to Postgres, for example).
In other words, like in many shops, it started with a small server in the corner of the machine room, and expanded from there as it proved itself. The big selling point has been that because of the use of Java and other open protocols, it hasn't been an "either-or" decision.
We like SuSE :)
thank you for sharing this with me. This is a great. Best,
** On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:49:13 +0700 Isen Kusima
On Wednesday 02 January 2002 03:29, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
** On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 23:49:13 +0700 Isen Kusima **I was 6 or 7 when I first played king quest on my dad XT computer ;) **and english is not my first language.... **go figure...
" Don' worry none chile, yo english is bettah than mos' " <G> Actually, there are so many dialects and variations on English that almost any construction of it will work somewhere. Wonder why billy boy hasn't tried to get a patent on it , so everyone in the world would have to pay him every time they use it ???? er, wait.... hrrm... just forget that entire thought <g>
**'m not old enough ;)))))
nope , but that will improve w/ age <VBG>
I do mean I'm not old enough to be in comodore/amiga era.
Isen Kusima wrote:
Hi all,
In October, after getting more used to SuSE, I finnally dump BeOS, and using SuSE 100%. I joined several SuSE & KDE mailing list, but can't send any e-mail to the list. I want to upgrade to new KMail to be able to comunicate with fellow Linux user, but I already order the SuSE 7.3, and don't want to strugle with 7.1.
Anyway, I just installed my 7.3 last year. well, 2001 is last year ;). and I'm VERY HAPPY with it. It's great. The improvement over 7.1 is fantastic. I think if I can compare it to MS windows, the improvement of 7.1 to 7.3 is like win95 to win98. The different is SuSE did it in less than 3 years ;). Good Job. And you guys deserve my money.
You don't mention, so I'm going to ask. By going to 7.3 did it fix your e-mail problem? or does it still exist? Curious minds want to know :) -- S.Toms - smotrs@mindspring.com - www.mindspring.com/~smotrs SuSE Linux v7.2+ - Kernel 2.4.4 It is the business of little minds to shrink. -- Carl Sandburg
On Wednesday 02 January 2002 01:47, S.Toms wrote:
Isen Kusima wrote:
Hi all,
In October, after getting more used to SuSE, I finnally dump BeOS, and using SuSE 100%. I joined several SuSE & KDE mailing list, but can't send any e-mail to the list. I want to upgrade to new KMail to be able to comunicate with fellow Linux user, but I already order the SuSE 7.3, and don't want to strugle with 7.1.
Anyway, I just installed my 7.3 last year. well, 2001 is last year ;). and I'm VERY HAPPY with it. It's great. The improvement over 7.1 is fantastic. I think if I can compare it to MS windows, the improvement of 7.1 to 7.3 is like win95 to win98. The different is SuSE did it in less than 3 years ;). Good Job. And you guys deserve my money.
You don't mention, so I'm going to ask. By going to 7.3 did it fix your e-mail problem? or does it still exist? Curious minds want to know :)
did you see the header of my post??? It said... X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] ;)))) yes it did fix it. Now I'm able to post in this forum. Before that, I must use the web mail provided by my ISP. Which is not convinience for me because I paid my internet by minutes, and reading in web interface cost money. And if I download it first, then I can't 'hit reply' then the thread will be broke & I don't want to do that. Actually it wasn't SuSE fault. I read about it in this forum before. It's KMail version that bundled with SuSE 7.1 problem. I just need to update the KMail. But I'm too lazy at that time....
On Wednesday 02 January 2002 01:47, S.Toms wrote:
Isen Kusima wrote:
Hi all,
In October, after getting more used to SuSE, I finnally dump BeOS, and using SuSE 100%. I joined several SuSE & KDE mailing list, but can't send any e-mail to the list. I want to upgrade to new KMail to be able to comunicate with fellow Linux user, but I already order the SuSE 7.3, and don't want to strugle with 7.1.
Anyway, I just installed my 7.3 last year. well, 2001 is last year ;). and I'm VERY HAPPY with it. It's great. The improvement over 7.1 is fantastic. I think if I can compare it to MS windows, the improvement of 7.1 to 7.3 is like win95 to win98. The different is SuSE did it in less than 3 years ;). Good Job. And you guys deserve my money.
You don't mention, so I'm going to ask. By going to 7.3 did it fix your e-mail problem? or does it still exist? Curious minds want to know :)
did you see the header of my post??? It said... X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] ;)))) yes it did fix it. Now I'm able to post in this forum. Before that, I must use the web mail provided by my ISP. Which is not convinience for me because I paid my internet by minutes, and reading in web interface cost money. And if I download it first, then I can't 'hit reply' then the thread will be broke & I don't want to do that. Actually it wasn't SuSE fault. I read about it in this forum before. It's KMail version that bundled with SuSE 7.1 problem. I just need to update the KMail. But I'm too lazy at that time....
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