I have a GeForce4 4200 Go and it installed and worked fine in SuSE 9.0. Maybe you don't have your XF86Config setup correctly. I can send mine if you desire, but I am running 1920X1600 resolution. Art Ivan Sergio Borgonovo wrote:

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:17:47 -0500 Fred Miller wrote:

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Isn't it nice. A new release of SuSE and you STILL can't get 3D via the supplied driver nor the most current on the nVidia site. I don't know who to blame, but I DO know I'm going to encourage everyone I can to boycot ALL nVidia products!!

I've a perfectly running nvidia audio, video, agp, IDE drivers on 8.1, stock Linus kernel 2.4.23-pre4. You're scaring me. I was planning to upgrade to 9.0.

I've a Gigabyte nForce2 and a GeForce 5200.

It is a 15.4 inch LCD display on a laptop. I set the dpi and fonts to enlarge the display, although with 9.0, I didn't need to do that, it was done automatically. The text and icons are normal size, but the fonts and everything are crystal clear because of the resolution. Art jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

On Wednesday 29 October 2003 7:18 pm, Art Fore wrote:

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I have a GeForce4 4200 Go and it installed and worked fine in SuSE 9.0. Maybe you don't have your XF86Config setup correctly. I can send mine if you desire, but I am running 1920X1600 resolution.

Art

WOW ! You must have really good eyes <VBG> What size is your monitor??

j

John Pettigrew wrote:

In a previous message, "Art Fore" wrote:

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jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:

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On Wednesday 29 October 2003 7:18 pm, Art Fore wrote:

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I am running 1920X1600 resolution.

WOW ! You must have really good eyes <VBG> What size is your monitor??

It is a 15.4 inch LCD display on a laptop.

So what's the point in running such a huge resolution? The LCD won't be working in anything over 1200x1024, and more likely 1024x768. If you drive an LCD at over its physical resolution, you lose clarity. On a CRT, you can do it because there is no 1:1 correlation between pixels and screen dots, but even there you hit clarity limits because of the physical screen resolution.

John

It is like comparing the same 8X10 photograph printed on a 300 dpi laser printer verssus printed on a 1200 dpi laserprinter. Art

John Pettigrew wrote:

In a previous message, "Art Fore" wrote:

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John Pettigrew wrote:

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If you drive an LCD at over its physical resolution, you lose clarity.

It is like comparing the same 8X10 photograph printed on a 300 dpi laser printer verssus printed on a 1200 dpi laserprinter.

No it isn't - if the LCD only has (say) 1280x1024 physical resolution, driving at a higher resolution will actually reduce the clarity and precision of the display, not increase it. It's the disadvantage of LCDs compared with CRTs - they don't work well at arbitrary resolutions.

John

I was comparing a 1024X768 resolution screen with a 1920X1600 screen (or it could be 1600X1200) and having the text and window displays sized so the are about the same between the two. If you take the 1920X1600 display and drive it with 1024Xww768, as when SuSE was first installed using frame bufferes before the nvidia drivers are installed, what you say is correct and the lcd actually is not used on a about an inch on both sides due to the aspect ratio. Art

In a previous message, Gerhard den Hollander wrote:

These days laptops come with HDTV TFT screens 1920x1200, not 1600) and these TFT screens do physically have 1920x1200 dots.

Wow - really? I've never seen an LCD screen with that sort of resolution at less than GBP 1000 - it's only recently that desktop LCDs with 1600x1200 pixels have dropped below that price. And believe me, I'd love to find one because I'd love to ditch this huge CRT on my desk, but I need the resolution. If I could find an LCD for a decent price that could display such a resolution, I'd buy it, but ATM I'm resigned to waiting a few years for the price to drop. If you can find such a screen then, of course, you should run at the physical res of the screen - anything else will always produce distortion on an LCD (except strict halvings of the res). John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you!

* Gerhard den Hollander [Oct 30. 2003 13:31]:

When it comes to having a 3D card capable of viewing large seismic volumes under Linux , nvidia is the only card that delivers. And it also does support stereo. see http://www.fugro-jason.com/workflow/wf_bc_frame.html

We've tested a bunch of other cards (inclduing the wildcats with custom Xserver) and none of them come close for our purposes.

And if people want to use NVidia with 2.6: http://minion.de -- Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?" -- A. P. J.

* jfweber@bellsouth.net [Oct 30. 2003 19:56]:

I haven't had time to look thru everything ( busy installing 9.0 , which seems pretty spiffy here , so far anyway <G>) Is it true that 2.6 is only available on the DVD ?? I have the pro package ... FWIW guys, it's running pretty quick on an old ( and I mean OLD!!) "E-machine" a realy *basic* box!

I don't know. But if you have the pro package you have the DVD there. If you cannot read it, there's newer 2.6 kernel packages to be found which you want anyway. Main thing is the distribution itself is almost 100% 2.6 ready. -- Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk "Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?" -- A. P. J.

* Fred Miller (Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 11:04:10AM -0500)

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Iv'e installed suse on NVidia hardware ever since the 0.7 series (of the NVidia driver) / Suse 6.4 , and I've never had much problems with NVidia [8<] When it comes to having a 3D card capable of viewing large seismic volumes under Linux , nvidia is the only card that delivers. And it also does support stereo.

Don't discount ATI.

I haven't tried their latest series of drivers . They don;t support stereo (unless you go with Xi Graphics, and if our experience with their wildcat drivers is somethign to go by, they are not yet where nvidia was a year ago). Can you use the ATI drivers with custom kernels ?

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We've tested a bunch of other cards (inclduing the wildcats with custom Xserver) and none of them come close for our purposes.

I've had mixed results with them. When they work, they're good.

The main issue is that we have multiple apps , which use one or more accelerated OpenGL context per window, and may have multiple windows open. (but this is getting a tad off topic now ;) ) Currently listening to: clapton86-11-23d2t08 Gerhard, == The Acoustic Motorbiker == -- __O "Bipedalism--an unrecognized disease affecting over 99% of the =`\<, population. Symptoms include lack of traffic sense, slow rate of (=)/(=) travel, and the classic, easily recognized behavior known as cycling."

On Thursday 30 October 2003 11:12, LinuxWorld999 wrote:

----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 11:17 PM Subject: [SLE] 9.0 and nVidia

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Isn't it nice. A new release of SuSE and you STILL can't get 3D via the supplied driver nor the most current on the nVidia site. I don't know who to blame, but I DO know I'm going to encourage everyone I can to boycot ALL nVidia products!!

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Fred,

After installing SuSE 9, kernel sources were installed and configured using "make cloneconfig" and "make dep". After this, switched to runlevel 3, the Nvidia package numbered 4496 was run and sax2 used to activate 3D. Switched back to run level 5 and logged in.

Yes, this is the correct procedure, but ................ apparently the 4496 driver does not work for everybody ! I can't speak for 9.0, but I had unsolvable problems with the 4496 driver under 8.2. I assume/expect that Fred Miller might have a similar situation. In my experience the 'unsolvable' problems with the 4496 immediately went away after installation of the older 4363 driver (without changing anything else on the system). So : in case you can't get it working, my advice is to install the 4363. For those who want to know, here's what I did to move back to the 4363 : 1. Download the 4363 driver from www.nvidia.com 2. Goto runlevel 3 (or restart in Safe Mode) 3. Do the following : nvidia-installer --uninstall (to remove the 4496) cd /usr/src/linux make cloneconfig && make dep cd << your download directory >> sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4363.run 4. Goto runlevel 5 And .... it'll most probably work all right. --> Please confirm if it does under 9.0. Cheers, -- Jan Elders Nuenen the Netherlands