On April 3, 2016 8:47:12 AM PDT, "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On 2016-04-03 17:34, John Andersen wrote:

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On April 3, 2016 8:23:18 AM PDT, "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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I googled, but what I find seems to be export to csv, edit, import again. Not exactly what I would like to do...

OK, I have to admit right off the top here that for addresses I use only the Google address book option. You sold my soul to Google.

If all of your phone book entries are Google entries, and none are stored ONLY in the phone's local address book, then you can edit them at HTTPS://contacts.Google.com and any changes are synced with all your devices.

But they aren't...

Then you are doing it wrong. Because this works for every other Android user in the world. Check your settings all around. Or ask some random teenager for help. 😁 -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Am 03.04.2016 um 18:02 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

On 2016-04-03 17:53, John Andersen wrote:

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On April 3, 2016 8:47:12 AM PDT, "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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If all of your phone book entries are Google entries, and none are stored ONLY in the phone's local address book, then you can edit them at HTTPS://contacts.Google.com and any changes are synced with all your devices.

But they aren't...

Then you are doing it wrong. Because this works for every other Android user in the world. Check your settings all around. Or ask some random teenager for help. 😁

No, I simply want my address book private, stored on my phone, not on google servers.

Teenagers do not know enough yet, too young :-p

Right! I even hate to think that others, who I must call, sync their address book to the data monster, giving them my phone number without that I ever accepted anything googlish. I also hate to write to gmail addresses (although, sadly, I cannot avoid it) where my mails get analysed, again without my consent. Any smaller company dealing with personal data this way could visit their managers in jail... -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona http://www.daniel-bauer.com room in Barcelona: https://www.airbnb.es/rooms/2416137 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/09/2016 03:15 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On Sunday, 2016-04-03 at 18:11 +0200, Daniel Bauer wrote:

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Am 03.04.2016 um 18:02 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

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On 2016-04-03 17:53, John Andersen wrote:

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On April 3, 2016 8:47:12 AM PDT, "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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If all of your phone book entries are Google entries, and none are stored ONLY in the phone's local address book, then you can edit them at HTTPS://contacts.Google.com and any changes are synced with all your devices.

But they aren't...

Then you are doing it wrong. Because this works for every other Android user in the world. Check your settings all around. Or ask some random teenager for help. 😁

No, I simply want my address book private, stored on my phone, not on google servers.

Teenagers do not know enough yet, too young :-p

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Right!

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I even hate to think that others, who I must call, sync their address book to the data monster, giving them my phone number without that I ever accepted anything googlish. I also hate to write to gmail addresses (although, sadly, I cannot avoid it) where my mails get analysed, again without my consent.

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Any smaller company dealing with personal data this way could visit their managers in jail...

It turns out that the Motorola migration tool that I used to move things, including contacts, from my Samsung phone to my new Motorola phone, shifted all my contacts into google, without me knowing.

Now I have to decide whether to leave them in google, or not, and if not, how. But that is OT for this list.

-- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

I remember doing that with my Wife's new moto phone, and there was a choice right up front about which addressbook to store in. I remember almost selecting the wrong one. By the way, that Moto Migrate app will cease to function when you upgrade that phone to the latest version of the OS, Marshmallow, so be sure to get all those things migrated before you do that upgrade. On the Other hand, There is a, as I recall, a mass move feature in Marshmallow to move contacts between addressbooks. I do this once in a while when I absentlmindedly put something in the wrong one. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done.

James Knott wrote:

On 04/03/2016 12:02 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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No, I simply want my address book private, stored on my phone, not on google servers.

I want my address books to be synced everywhere. Through Google Contacts, my phone, tablet, email apps on various computers and operating systems, along with web access all contain exactly the same contacts, synced automagically via Google Contacts. Also, given Googles stance on privacy, I don't think you have much to worry about.

Given that Google is a US company and given the USA's stance on privacy, I think you have everything to worry about :-( -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.4°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/03/2016 09:59 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 04/03/2016 12:42 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Given that Google is a US company and given the USA's stance on privacy, I think you have everything to worry about :-( If you're that worried, then you pretty much have to stay off the Internet, cell network, etc. How many people use encryption on email? Anyone with access to the networks can read everything going by, unless encrypted. This includes email addresses of anyone you communicate with. Google was a leader in moving to SSL/TLS for server connections, both for users and peers. You can see this, not only with email, but also other Google owned servers, where http has been replaced with https. They recently announced that Hangouts voice and video calls will be sent peer - peer whenever possible, to keep them off the servers. Again, this is another thing they do to protect privacy.

BTW, even contact lists that are only on phones are not necessarily secure, as shown by the FBI breaking into that iPhone that Apple refused to help with.

Also, some countries have far more intrusive policies for private information. I recall in the news a while ago about how Blackberry might stop offering service in some countries that were demanding access to email etc.

Apple probably did help with breaking into the phone but a backroom deal was reached between Apple & FBI to where it was agreed that it was best for all parties to give the public a false narritive. This happens all the time, more than you probably realize with governments and companies around the world. As far as Google protecting your privacy, that is definitely funny. And hangouts, SSL/TLS, etc., none of that matters because it was already proven through the Snowden leaks that Google pretty much gave NSA unfettered backdoor access to their servers so information could be usurped directly from the servers themselves despite whatever encryption they were using. There are many many computer club videos and Ted talks about all of this on YouTube, so I guess some people missed the boat on those on this list. Google hands over pretty much *Any* request for customer records (IP logs, search history, emails, chats) at the drop of a hat from law enforcement. There is a lot more going on behind the scenes that you aren't apparently taking into account. What happened with Joseph Nacchio? That's right. Your Gmail emails most likely are retained for a lot longer than you think. It shows to the user that they are deleted, but in all liklihood all of your emails, contacts, search history, is associated with your specific IP and account, and it's retained for a long time. It's not just Google though, it's also Microsoft and others. Welcome to reality. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

James Knott wrote:

On 04/03/2016 12:42 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Given that Google is a US company and given the USA's stance on privacy, I think you have everything to worry about :-(

If you're that worried, then you pretty much have to stay off the Internet, cell network, etc.

We're going off-topic - I'm not really that worried, but as the European Court of Justice ruled in October last year (when it invalidated the Safe Harbor Treaty), companies in the US cannot be trusted to adequately protect one's personal data. That's all. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On April 3, 2016 9:40:23 AM PDT, James Knott wrote:

On 04/03/2016 12:02 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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No, I simply want my address book private, stored on my phone, not on google servers.

I want my address books to be synced everywhere. Through Google Contacts, my phone, tablet, email apps on various computers and operating systems, along with web access all contain exactly the same contacts, synced automagically via Google Contacts. Also, given Googles stance on privacy, I don't think you have much to worry about.

Pretty much my take as well. I've never seen any indication of abuse. If paranoia rules your world, YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS OWNING ANY SMARTPHONE. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 7:58 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

get AirDroid from play.google.com, you can edit your phone book with it and has *nothing* to do with google.

Yes, Airdroid works. Under Windows you can also use MyPhoneExplorer (connecting to phone over USB) -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

I was unable to connect via USB, because it wants the USB connection to be in debug mode, and I¡m unable to find the setting.

Usually it is in settings->developer options. Developer options could be hidden. If so, go to settings->about device and then tap 7 times (yes, seven times) on build number. Developer options will become available.... -- Mark Goldstein -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2016-04-03 18:58, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Carlos E. R. [04-03-16 12:05]:

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No, I simply want my address book private, stored on my phone, not on google servers.

get AirDroid from play.google.com, you can edit your phone book with it and has *nothing* to do with google.

It is an Android app. But to work on the computer I need something else. I must be missing something in the description. Ah, I see. I have to open a web page and photograph it, I assume in Windows. Switching computer. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

* Carlos E. R. [04-03-16 13:32]:

On 2016-04-03 18:58, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Carlos E. R. [04-03-16 12:05]:

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No, I simply want my address book private, stored on my phone, not on google servers.

get AirDroid from play.google.com, you can edit your phone book with it and has *nothing* to do with google.

It is an Android app. But to work on the computer I need something else. I must be missing something in the description.

Ah, I see. I have to open a web page and photograph it, I assume in Windows. Switching computer.

No, you don't need windoz, only a browser. AirDroid gives you a connection suing a local address and port which requires confirmation. Then you can directly edit within the browser window. Just you, your phone, computer and browser. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/04/2016 19:37, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Carlos E. R. <> [04-03-16 13:32]:

No, you don't need windoz, only a browser. AirDroid gives you a connection suing a local address and port which requires confirmation. Then you can directly edit within the browser window.

Just you, your phone, computer and browser.

It doesn't work right. I combine two entries in the phone, and the application shows it as two different entries. I can't use this to maintain my address/phone book. -- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W10) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 03/04/2016 20:51, Yamaban wrote:

Just to make sure we all have the same knowledge here:

You are aware that the phone has at least two options where to store the contact information, right?

There is the flash-memory on the SIM card on one hand, and the memory in the phone itself, on the otherhand.

Yes.

Your phone shows them as overlay, and the application shows them seperatly. Either the app shows a "source" field with SIM/Phone, or you have to find another way to get that bit of knowledge.

A possibility, but not the case. I was working with two separate entries, for the same real person, but one was "name" and the other "name 1". Both on the phone memory, because of extra information present that means the SIM can not be used. Neither entry can be deleted, apparently both have associated events listed. So I try to combine them. But airdrop still displays two entries. I have dozens with combined entries that display in airdrop as separate entries. None can be stored on the SIM. All these entries are a fault of the motorola migration app used to migrate the phone book from my previous phone (a Samsung). A friend has told me that she has the same problem, having also done a phone migration. I need a phone book application that knows all about these nuisances and allows me to completely edit the entries till there are no duplicates and all are correct. To do it on the phone, I need to separate the entries, hand copy data from one entry to the other, then delete the other entry.

Some times the names on the SIM are only in upper case.

-- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W10) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

My current setup is - Radicale as CardDAV and CalDAV server (on a 13.2 box) - Evolution + the KDE tools (KAddressBook) + Thunderbird with the Cardbook extension as Linux clients - CardDav Sync installed on the Android devices The connection from the Android devices to my CardDAV server is done using the native Android VPN (or OpenVPN) when I'm running around, otherwise over wifi. By defining a WebDAV address book in Evolution I could easily correct all the problems (dups, etc) I had after the migration from the old phone to my new Samsung. And by using radicale I have also the Android calendar synchronized with the Linux clients (Evolution+KDE tools+Thunderbird++), so I could also easily correct some calendar migration problems. This setup works well, I have just a small issue with radicale crashing sometimes, however I never noticed any data loss. Btw I have this setup as I will NEVER put personal data on a server, probably located in a foreign country, managed by unknown individuals. This was always my policy, long before the input from Snowden that told me that my approach is probably not to bad.... Marco Il 03. 04. 16 22:13, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:

On 03/04/2016 21:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I have dozens with combined entries that display in airdrop as separate entries. None can be stored on the SIM.

All these entries are a fault of the motorola migration app used to migrate the phone book from my previous phone (a Samsung). A friend has told me that she has the same problem, having also done a phone migration.

I need a phone book application that knows all about these nuisances and allows me to completely edit the entries till there are no duplicates and all are correct.

Well, I managed to clear up the dups. Something like 30 entries removed by hand using airdroid. I may need a second round...

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On 2016-04-04 07:59, jdd wrote:

Le 03/04/2016 22:13, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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Well, I managed to clear up the dups. Something like 30 entries removed by hand using airdroid. I may need a second round...

you may have one in the sim card and the other in the phone

No, it is not the case. It is a problem created by the migration procedure (old phone to new phone), by the motorola app that did it. A friend that did that migration recently relates the same problem. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

On 05/04/2016 1:19, Doug wrote:

Is the sim card readable and writable on a regular computer? (Using an adapter to a USB port, of course.) And if you modify the card, will the modifications transfer to the phone, or are these memories independent of each other?

With suitable adapter and software, it should be readable, but I have never seen it. The cards are initialized at the shop, so they must have a system to do it. The memories are independent. However, the phone might combine them for display. -- Saludos/Cheers, Carlos E.R. (Minas-Morgul - W10) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/04/2016 04:19 PM, Doug wrote:

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Le 03/04/2016 22:13, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

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Well, I managed to clear up the dups. Something like 30 entries removed by hand using airdroid. I may need a second round...

you may have one in the sim card and the other in the phone

jdd Is the sim card readable and writable on a regular computer? (Using an adapter to a USB port, of course.) And if you modify the card, will the modifications

On 04/04/2016 12:59 AM, jdd wrote: transfer to the phone, or are these memories independent of each other?

--doug

Why are we talking about the sim card here? Android has pretty much dropped support for storing Addresses on the sim card because the data structure is obsolete and can't hold half the things you want to save. My last phone gave huge warnings about storing contacts on the sim card. It exists (if at all) for importing from older phones for the most part, (which is silly because most new phones won't accept sims from older phones). -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/04/2016 12:45 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On the other hand, these SIMs now have much more memory than the older ones.

Because Telcos understand that nobody stores contacts on the sim anymore, they have in many cases, reverted to smaller capacity sim cards, just big enough to hold the default Access Point Names for their network. But If you go to the People (AKS Contacts) app in Android, the settings menu there allows you to turn off and on various Address books, and the sim is still there as a choice on those phones that support it. If you buy an unlocked international model phone you are more likely to find this option than if you buy a carrier model. -- After all is said and done, more is said than done. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/03/2016 11:47 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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If all of your phone book entries are Google entries, and none are stored ONLY in the phone's local address book, then you can edit them at HTTPS://contacts.Google.com and any changes are synced with all your devices. But they aren't... Why not? That's the normal way of doing things.

Or is this one of those weird Spanish things again? ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Op zondag 3 april 2016 18:54:03 CEST schreef Carlos E. R.:

On 03/04/2016 18:36, James Knott wrote:

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On 04/03/2016 11:47 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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If all of your phone book entries are Google entries, and none are stored ONLY in the phone's local address book, then you can edit them at HTTPS://contacts.Google.com and any changes are synced with all your devices.>> But they aren't...

Why not? That's the normal way of doing things.

Or is this one of those weird Spanish things again? ;-)

No... most contacts are inherited from a non-android phone. And two, it is intentionally so by me.

On my Android phone: in Contacts hit the three dots on the top right, it has options to import/ export. In my case to .vcf, which can be read by most linux addressbook and email applications. -- Gertjan Lettink, a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Import the vcf file in KAddressBook Il 04. 04. 16 00:59, Carlos E. R. ha scritto:

On 03/04/2016 23:24, Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:

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On my Android phone: in Contacts hit the three dots on the top right, it has options to import/ export. In my case to .vcf, which can be read by most linux addressbook and email applications.

That's what I tried, but the file browser only offers to "open with" Evince, which fails because it is not properly configured as mail client. The rest are plain text editors.

I searched in yast and found no hits on "vcf". Trying to find vcf editors.

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Le 04/04/2016 00:59, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

I searched in yast and found no hits on "vcf". Trying to find vcf editors.

open in thunderbird... jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Le 04/04/2016 12:17, Carlos E. R. a écrit :

the edited list so that the phone can import it again.

I personally use an owncloud address book, but it's also prone to have duplicates the advantage is that I can share it automatically between all the devices (carddav) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 04/03/2016 11:34 AM, John Andersen wrote:

On April 3, 2016 8:23:18 AM PDT, "Carlos E. R." wrote:

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Hi,

I wonder if someone knows of an application to edit the address book, or phone book, whatever, in an android phone, in the computer, with Linux.

Not only the google address book that is associated with the phone, but

the complete thing. If the phone makes a difference, it is a Moto-X play. And if there are no suitable apps in Linux, maybe a Windows one. I have to tidy up the list, and editing in the phone itself I find cumbersome.

I googled, but what I find seems to be export to csv, edit, import again. Not exactly what I would like to do... OK, I have to admit right off the top here that for addresses I use only the Google address book option. You sold my soul to Google.

If all of your phone book entries are Google entries, and none are stored ONLY in the phone's local address book, then you can edit them at HTTPS://contacts.Google.com and any changes are synced with all your devices.

I just read in response to another email that you can actually plug your keyboard into an Android phone and use it! You need an adapter cable for USB, one which would have a female on both ends. Assuming you have a usb male at the end of the keyboard cable.( (I'm going to find one myself!) Or, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard you can use that, but I didn't get the details, since I don't have one. Google's your friend. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2016-04-03 18:58, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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What about VCF editors in Linux?

Now on my desktop machine, running Linux. If I try "open with" all the suggestions are text editors, and evince.

http://www.techyv.com/questions/need-good-linux-vcard-editor-edit-contacts

TuxMobile - not found in OBS. --> http://tuxmobil.org/vcard.html. Huh, it is not an application, but a list of CLI commands. No. I need a full GUI editor, something modern. Open Contacts --> http://www.softpedia.com/get/Office-tools/Diary-Organizers-Calendar/Open-Con.... "Open Contacts [...] and does not cause Windows to hang" So it is a Windows program. I also located two other Windows apps, one payware, to edit the address book. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)