[opensuse] SUSE 12.1 - still "hdd killer bug"? Can't believe it.
I installed openSUSE 12.1 to give it a try on my Dell Latitude D820 with WD 500G hdd on it. Luckily I checked it almost right away and to my astonishment found that Load_Cycle_Count of drive gets 22 times increase in 15 minutes. The drive APM_level = 254, KDE Power Management settings are all set for Performance. I just can't believe it... This is several years back bug. And it was fixed at least for a couple of years back on all major distributions. I have currently installed on the same laptop: Ubuntu 11.10, Kubuntu 11.10, Xubuntu 11.10, Lubuntu 11.10, Fedora 16, SL 6.1, Majea 1, Debian Squeeze, and openSUSE 12.1. Neither of mentioned, but openSUSE, is suffering from this bug. And yet interestingly enough I do not see any complaints of the sort neither on this list, nor on forums. Folks, what's wrong with me? :-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-28 02:06, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 19:03, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
Folks, what's wrong with me? :-)
You dont have storage-fixup installed.
Neither do I. When is that package installed automatically? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7S4YoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XfpACdER+sFLJFjhsmrQvsHg+ioDE9 ArIAn3jUu31eN/E6tpygaQIbqE/vIhin =4dLN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/11/11 22:19, Carlos E. R. wrote:
When is that package installed automatically?
Never the users has to know they have buggy hardware and peraphs also update their hard disk firmware from the vendor. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:25:00 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 22:19, Carlos E. R. wrote:
When is that package installed automatically?
Never the users has to know they have buggy hardware and peraphs also update their hard disk firmware from the vendor.
Well, blame the hardware vendor... You read my original post. You could seen a number of other distros my hdd works just fine with. And as I just posted a little above it is a brand new hdd. Here is the model number WDC WD5000BEKT-75KA9T0. I do not believe this requires firmware update at all. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:06:58 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 19:03, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
Folks, what's wrong with me? :-)
You dont have storage-fixup installed.
It very well might be that I do not have it installed, since I've never heard of it. I'll give it a try. Is it in any official repos or I would need to enable something else. If I need a third party repo, what would it be? Would I need to run any scripts after installation, or the install will do all that is necessary? But then why this is not installed automatically if needed? Does a user have much of time to investigate such a problem before his drive wears out with such crazy APM? And what about completely new to Linux users? By the time they would learn of the very fact such a problem exists they sure would need to buy another hdd. Well, it is an unpleasant surprise considering reputation of such a venerable distro as openSUSE is. Though I had other 2 during install and post-install first steps. I just worked them around on my own but this one I posted since I had no wish to try to figure it out myself on the cost of my new hard drive. :-( -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 27/11/11 22:48, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:06:58 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 19:03, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
Folks, what's wrong with me? :-)
You dont have storage-fixup installed.
It very well might be that I do not have it installed, since I've never heard of it. I'll give it a try. Is it in any official repos or I would need to enable something else. If I need a third party repo, what would it be?
It is in the official repos.
Would I need to run any scripts after installation, or the install will do all that is necessary?
No, it executes on boot.
But then why this is not installed automatically if needed?
Not possible to determine automatically currently, this may not even know about your hardisk, last update was done 3 years ago. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:56:12 PM Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 22:48, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:06:58 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 19:03, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
Folks, what's wrong with me? :-)
You dont have storage-fixup installed.
It very well might be that I do not have it installed, since I've never heard of it. I'll give it a try. Is it in any official repos or I would need to enable something else. If I need a third party repo, what would it be?
It is in the official repos.
Would I need to run any scripts after installation, or the install will do all that is necessary?
No, it executes on boot.
But then why this is not installed automatically if needed?
Not possible to determine automatically currently, this may not even know about your hardisk, last update was done 3 years ago. Does this only affect certain harsware, or is it a problem for all HDD? -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Ind. Repairs and Consulting **Looking for a C++ etc. mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 18:27 -0800, Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:56:12 PM Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 22:48, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:06:58 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 19:03, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
Folks, what's wrong with me? :-) You dont have storage-fixup installed. It very well might be that I do not have it installed, since I've never heard of it. I'll give it a try. Is it in any official repos or I would need to enable something else. If I need a third party repo, what would it be? It is in the official repos. Would I need to run any scripts after installation, or the install will do all that is necessary? No, it executes on boot. But then why this is not installed automatically if needed? Not posse to determine automatically currently, this may not even know about your hardisk, last update was done 3 years ago. Does this only affect certain harsware, or is it a problem for all HDD?
It only affects junk hardware. And calling it a "hdd killer" is extreme; it shortens the lifespan of some hardware, it doesn't "kill" it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:26:57 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 18:27 -0800, Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:56:12 PM Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 22:48, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:06:58 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 19:03, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
Folks, what's wrong with me? :-) You dont have storage-fixup installed. It very well might be that I do not have it installed, since I've never heard of it. I'll give it a try. Is it in any official repos or I would need to enable something else. If I need a third party repo, what would it be? It is in the official repos. Would I need to run any scripts after installation, or the install will do all that is necessary? No, it executes on boot. But then why this is not installed automatically if needed? Not posse to determine automatically currently, this may not even know about your hardisk, last update was done 3 years ago. Does this only affect certain harsware, or is it a problem for all HDD?
It only affects junk hardware. And calling it a "hdd killer" is extreme; it shortens the lifespan of some hardware, it doesn't "kill" it.
Well, you really must love your favorite distro to make such funny statements in its defence. Yes, I only have a modest WD SATA hdd nothing really fancy. :-))) But calling it a junk hardware is a little exageration, isn't it? I just wonder what do you use in your heavens, Master? :-) What's to "it shortens the lifespan of some hardware, it doesn't "kill" it". Well IMHO it is just a nice euphemism for killing hardware ahead of time. Considering that my hdd cycled 22 times in 15 minutes (over 1 time per minute!) and after fix applied did not cycle even one time for about 2 hours for now, it was destined to die much way ahead of time without that fix. Or if you prefer your euphemism, it was destined to get its lifespan shortened very very very much. This is what I would call "extreme". No offence, I hope. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday, November 28, 2011 04:09:27 AM Juan R. de Silva wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:26:57 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 18:27 -0800, Roger Luedecke wrote:
On Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:56:12 PM Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 22:48, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:06:58 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 19:03, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > Folks, what's wrong with me? :-)
You dont have storage-fixup installed.
It very well might be that I do not have it installed, since I've never heard of it. I'll give it a try. Is it in any official repos or I would need to enable something else. If I need a third party repo, what would it be?
It is in the official repos.
Would I need to run any scripts after installation, or the install will do all that is necessary?
No, it executes on boot.
But then why this is not installed automatically if needed?
Not posse to determine automatically currently, this may not even know about your hardisk, last update was done 3 years ago.
Does this only affect certain harsware, or is it a problem for all HDD?
It only affects junk hardware. And calling it a "hdd killer" is extreme; it shortens the lifespan of some hardware, it doesn't "kill" it.
Well, you really must love your favorite distro to make such funny statements in its defence.
Yes, I only have a modest WD SATA hdd nothing really fancy. :-))) But calling it a junk hardware is a little exageration, isn't it?
I just wonder what do you use in your heavens, Master? :-)
What's to "it shortens the lifespan of some hardware, it doesn't "kill" it". Well IMHO it is just a nice euphemism for killing hardware ahead of time.
Considering that my hdd cycled 22 times in 15 minutes (over 1 time per minute!) and after fix applied did not cycle even one time for about 2 hours for now, it was destined to die much way ahead of time without that fix.
Or if you prefer your euphemism, it was destined to get its lifespan shortened very very very much.
This is what I would call "extreme".
No offence, I hope. If it is possible for this to be able to install by default for appropriate hardware it should. I have to agree on calling any working hardware junk is extreme. I have a lovely old p4 tower that runs quite happily despte being nearly a decade old. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Ind. Repairs and Consulting **Looking for a C++ etc. mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-28 07:49, Roger Luedecke wrote:
If it is possible for this to be able to install by default for appropriate hardware it should. I have to agree on calling any working hardware junk is extreme. I have a lovely old p4 tower that runs quite happily despte being nearly a decade old.
I wonder if there is a way for people to detect automatically this situation. If there is, YaST should advise of the situation. It worries me that several distros were not affected, but openSUSE is. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7TZ7kACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XragCglPhWAYlUvPoNrLXRMvUmSNHt agsAniacr4MI6Gf0kdD+0o8uvuUOPn2/ =B/A4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:51:38 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
If there is, YaST should advise of the situation. It worries me that several distros were not affected, but openSUSE is.
It wouldn't be correct to say that other distros were not affected, but opneSUSE was. This bug plagued actually all distros 3-4 years ago, since it was a kernel bug. What I said was that all other major distros sorted it out about 2 years ago. Since then a standard installation of any major distro did not have this problem manifested without any actions from a user's part. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:06:58 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 19:03, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
Folks, what's wrong with me? :-)
You dont have storage-fixup installed.
Well, I've just located the package here http://pkgs.org/opensuse-factory/ opensuse-oss-i586/storage-fixup-0.2-39.1.noarch.rpm.html And here is a snip from its description:"This is primarily to adjust too aggressive ATA APM settings which makes the drive unload its head frequently shortening its lifespan." At this point I'm not actually sure this would fix anything in my case. You see my hdd is SATA but not ATA. Anything else to suggest, please? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-28 02:55, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
Well, I've just located the package here http://pkgs.org/opensuse-factory/ opensuse-oss-i586/storage-fixup-0.2-39.1.noarch.rpm.html
It is a standard package. A plain "zypper se storage-fixup" finds it. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7S7iAACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VS0wCfV1Wp+Yxy8SgbK54RiVJHwv+W XiEAn2uTZvswiN7YGbsOwd28o0c1VgV4 =W7mu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 28/11/11 12:55, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:06:58 -0300, Cristian RodrÃguez wrote:
On 27/11/11 19:03, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
Folks, what's wrong with me? :-) You dont have storage-fixup installed. Well, I've just located the package here http://pkgs.org/opensuse-factory/ opensuse-oss-i586/storage-fixup-0.2-39.1.noarch.rpm.html
And here is a snip from its description:"This is primarily to adjust too aggressive ATA APM settings which makes the drive unload its head frequently shortening its lifespan."
At this point I'm not actually sure this would fix anything in my case. You see my hdd is SATA but not ATA.
SATA uses the same set of control instructions as ATA and the same channel(s).
Anything else to suggest, please?
BC -- Diapers and politicians should be changed often; both for the same reason. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Cristian Rodríguez <crrodriguez@opensuse.org> wrote:
On 27/11/11 19:03, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
Folks, what's wrong with me? :-)
You dont have storage-fixup installed.
Sadly, storage-fixup was created and maintained by a suse engineer. (now a former suse engineer). At least per it's design it was meant to be always installed. That is it used model number patterns to identify drives which have buggy software and need to have hdparm issue a configuration override to keep them from from powering down hundreds of times an hour. The only conceivable downside is that it may have too broad of a model number pattern and thus prevent drives from sleeping that actually have good firmware. I'm very surprised it is not part of the default install. As far as I'm concerned it not being part of the default install is a bug. I hope the opensuse maintainer for the package agrees and gets the default install pattern changed to include it. (I don't know how to do that, but hopefully working through bugzilla can get this taken care of.) Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:03:11 +0000, Juan R. de Silva wrote: installation of suggested storage-fixup package solved the problem. in last half an hour not a single spin down. i'm posting from within openSUSE right now. thanks folks for help. though i still believe it could (and should) be done automatically :-; -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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