I have foud that, using the mozilla-installer it is very easy to download and install the nightly builds of Mozilla. Here's what I do: 1 Using your favorite browser, browse on over to http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/ 2 fetch http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu-... 3 find a good place to untar this little tarball, and untar it ( tar xvfz mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu-installer.tar.gz ) 4 cd mozilla-installer 5 vi config.ini and change Default Location=/data/nightly to suit your taste 6 run ./mozilla-installer 7 select the type of installation you want. 8 hit the "go" button 9 Have fun browsing the net with LRGIBLE fonts 10 REPORT BUGS! I often like to discuss problems with others before I post a bug. There's lots of news groups at news.mozilla.org. Remember, you will be using completely untested builds, so expect some bumps. I am very happy with the latest builds. A few features are missing, but they'll come back. Macht spass, teve -- For a look at the future click below: http://www.suse.com || http://www.linuxbase.org http://www.kde.org || http://samba.anu.edu.au http://www.winehq.com || http://www.mozilla.org -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Well, it is the 3rd time I am trying to use the installer and all three times the installer gets stuck after downloading the following files into the /tmp/.tmp.xi.0 directory: -rw-r--r-- 1 avi users 5873465 Aug 15 23:20 browser.xpi -rw-r--r-- 1 avi users 858863 Aug 15 23:00 xpcom.xpi I assume this is not how it is supposed to work ;-) Any ideas? Avi "Steven T. Hatton" wrote:
I have foud that, using the mozilla-installer it is very easy to download and install the nightly builds of Mozilla. Here's what I do:
1 Using your favorite browser, browse on over to http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/
2 fetch http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/latest/mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu-...
3 find a good place to untar this little tarball, and untar it ( tar xvfz mozilla-i686-pc-linux-gnu-installer.tar.gz )
4 cd mozilla-installer
5 vi config.ini and change Default Location=/data/nightly to suit your taste
6 run ./mozilla-installer
7 select the type of installation you want.
8 hit the "go" button
9 Have fun browsing the net with LRGIBLE fonts
10 REPORT BUGS!
I often like to discuss problems with others before I post a bug. There's lots of news groups at news.mozilla.org. Remember, you will be using completely untested builds, so expect some bumps. I am very happy with the latest builds. A few features are missing, but they'll come back.
Macht spass,
steve
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My problem with mozilla is that it seems to suck *irreparably*. I mean, for all those great fscking ideas and mucho time, all I've got to show is the list of bug reports to TalkBack separated by *minutes*. Heck - M17 even crashed on Mozilla's very own website! I think I can live with Netscape 4.72 - thanks to my employer for standardizing on NT and IE - I can judge how much I'm suffering for the *idea*. I *love* computing in the Unix environment, and Sun is my workhorse at work - but the same love does not extend to this malady that happens to run under Unix. I'd rather use KDE's simple and unassuming browser that I invoke by clicking on the trash can - but mozilla needs to be squarely deposited into that same trash can. We all know that mozilla is going to kick ass *real soon now*, but the project is clearly not performing for whatever reasons. Somebody needs to have a mercy and pull the plug. All those volunteers are clearly wonderful people donating their time to mozilla - do something really useful with your time - like make a sandwich and give it to the homeless! -- ET. P.S. I upgraded xshared. Yeah-yeah - same shit. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Feel better for having a rant in public? Great. Now shut up. Mozilla is beta software. If you don't like it, get involved and help improve it. If you don't want to do that, fine. It's free and open, so if it doesn't meet your expectations, don't use it. No one is interested in your opinions on what the Mozilla developers should do with their project.
My problem with mozilla is that it seems to suck *irreparably*.
We all know that mozilla is going to kick ass *real soon now*, but the project is clearly not performing for whatever reasons. Somebody needs to have a mercy and pull the plug. All those volunteers are clearly wonderful people donating their time to mozilla - do something really useful with your time - like make a sandwich and give it to the homeless!
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I'm agreeing with both of you guys.. right now Moz does not cut the mustard.. by hey go try Netscape 6 Preview 2.. it is hellishly slow, so as to be unusable! People like myself who spend our time developing free software (I am not involved in Mozilla by the way) , get little thanx and no money for doing so. We could better spend our time developing commercial software and get paid good money for doing so. But no we write free software so people get good quality software for FREE and to prevent the commercial monoliths from shafting us all. If you don't like the software it's ok .. send a consideratly worded email reporting as best you can what the bug is and and it will be fixed. or just go buy one you do like. Do you relalise that many of us work 20 hours a day, 7 days a week to do a job to pay our bills and write free software that you get to use. How is it when we open an email and some guy wants to complain and complain and complain. get off your arse and spend the time to help. Sheesh! Chris On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:18:45 +0100, Derek Fountain wrote:
Feel better for having a rant in public? Great. Now shut up.
Mozilla is beta software. If you don't like it, get involved and help improve it. If you don't want to do that, fine. It's free and open, so if it doesn't meet your expectations, don't use it. No one is interested in your opinions on what the Mozilla developers should do with their project.
My problem with mozilla is that it seems to suck *irreparably*.
We all know that mozilla is going to kick ass *real soon now*, but the project is clearly not performing for whatever reasons. Somebody needs to have a mercy and pull the plug. All those volunteers are clearly wonderful people donating their time to mozilla - do something really useful with your time - like make a sandwich and give it to the homeless!
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Oh, gee, I wish I knew what I started last night... :-( Once again, I am *not* blaming or accusing any of the Mozilla developers of absolutely anything! Calm down, please! On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 08:55:17PM +0000, Brevsville Administrator wrote:
People like myself who spend our time developing free software (I am not involved in Mozilla by the way) , get little thanx and no money for doing so. We could better spend our time developing commercial software and get paid good money for doing so. But no we write free software so people get good quality software for FREE and to prevent the commercial monoliths from shafting us all.
Chris, I did (and will continue to, when I feel adventurous) gently - it doesn't take *any* abuse at all - use Mozilla and send out my TalkBack reports. The problem is, *I* can deal with an application that I can crash in 5 seconds flat - I just don't want anybody else to think that this is what Linux is all about. The first Linux computer I've got was a 486DX2 with 4Mb of RAM and kernel 0.98pl34. I would compile the kernel of the hour, and when the poor thing would swap itself to death and crash every now and then, I'd understand it. What seems to be missing from Mozilla, is an old-fashioned distinction between the things you know you can do well and the things you know you can't do well. Just because Mozilla developers write "FREE" (as in beer) software, doesn't mean that it's usable or *GOOD* (philosophically). How can this great Mozilla project bring us salvation from "commercial monoliths" if nobody except hard-core lunatics (myself included) can stomach it for more than 5 minutes? Don't take this as an offense, but the philosophy and the promise of the free software (as I understand it) has been not to betray the users by promising too much. I've seen well-intentioned IT projects fail, and I blame muself for one of them. It started great on paper: Oracle-backed + distributed computing. And then it all turned to shit. Granted, I am not familiar with the inner workings of the Mozilla project, but, based on it's timeline, I've got a strong suspicion that all of the thousands of man-hours have been wasted because of a misguided leadership.
If you don't like the software it's ok .. send a consideratly worded email reporting as best you can what the bug is and and it will be fixed. or just go buy one you do like.
Have you ever noticed that TalkBack wouldn't tell you anything about the crash? And that when you've got 2 windows open at the same time, you can't even tell which one caused the crash? "Netscape Quality Feedback Agent" gives you absolutely no way to view the information you're sending back. Do you really insist that I feel attached to such "wham-bam, thank you ma'am" application? -- ET. -- To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq
Eugene Tyurin wrote:
Oh, gee, I wish I knew what I started last night... :-(
Well, I guess it's time I weighed in on this subject :-)
IMHO the folks at Mozilla are trying their best in a thankless task.
The potential for problems in any internet related application is huge.
Remember - they are trying to make a browser that, on the one hand,
supports the W3C standards and on the other hand, can view pages that
are being constructed by people who have never heard of those standards.
I tried M13 and M15 (both HUGE d/ls on a dial-up connection). I was
impressed with the promise they were showing, but unimpressed with the
error handling capability.
I don't profess to be even a stain on a programmers' underpants yet,
(first term of Software Development, VB (bleech!) and Python (Yay!), but
one of the first basic principles we were taught was to make sure you
have sufficient error traps so that, if something happens that can't be
handled, the program recovers or, at least, exits gracefully, not
*crashing*.
With the work I do (teaching, as well as 'studenting') I need software
stability. That is why I went to Linux initially, particularly the SuSE
distro. Since a lot of my PC work is on the web, I need something that
can a) have a lot of windows open, b) handle some bloody awful sites, c)
that I can start a big d/l in, turn the monitor off and go to bed, and
have a better than even chance that the d/l will be completed when I get
up.
Netscape ain't great, but it'll do most of the above (except a: and
sometimes b: and occasionally c:). :-)
Lately, for ftp stuff, I've started using Midnight Commander.
If Moz could set a particular milestone and optimise that level to a
good, solid, workable browser (forget all the animation, Flash plugins,
etc, etc.), I for one would be grateful.
I firmly believe they are trying too hard to find the holy grail of web
browsers. It will never exist, because the medium changes too often.
Get a functional, reliable base product first. Then go chasing the
latest developments.
I would dearly like to be in a position to help with the development of
Mozilla, but first I have to eat!
Well, that's my rant for today (unless I find something further down the
mail list!)
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Derek Fountain spewed forth into the void:
Feel better for having a rant in public? Great. Now shut up.
Feel better for being pushy? Hows about you shut up.
Mozilla is beta software. If you don't like it, get involved and help improve it. If you don't want to do that, fine. It's free and open, so if it doesn't meet your expectations, don't use it. No one is interested in your opinions on what the Mozilla developers should do with their project.
Hey, good idea. Why don't we just go ahead and censor every opinion that you disagree with. That sure would be fun....Then we could just sit atround and talk about how right you are all the time.
My problem with mozilla is that it seems to suck *irreparably*.
We all know that mozilla is going to kick ass *real soon now*, but the project is clearly not performing for whatever reasons. Somebody needs to have a mercy and pull the plug. All those volunteers are clearly wonderful people donating their time to mozilla - do something really useful with your time - like make a sandwich and give it to the homeless!
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Feel better for being pushy? Hows about you shut up.
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Derek Fountain spewed forth into the void:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Derek Fountain spewed forth into the void:
Feel better for having a rant in public? Great. Now shut up.
Feel better for being pushy? Hows about you shut up.
Oooh! Bitch!
<snip>
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When Geek's attack. It was a peaceful day on a SuSE Linux mailing list, when all the sudden the Moz issuse was brought to the four ground. In a momenet, documenation of that attack, but first if you have small childen watching please make them leave the room. And now what you have all been waiting for: In all seriousness; is anyone taking bets on this? Put me in for $5 on Berker. There is a good newsgroup of this sort of thing: alt.flame It is a real newsgroup and flames are consider the norm there. Can't we all just get alone? Jack
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Derek Fountain spewed forth into the void:
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Derek Fountain spewed forth into the void:
Feel better for having a rant in public? Great. Now shut up.
Feel better for being pushy? Hows about you shut up.
Oooh! Bitch!
<snip>
moi? non, mon petit chou.
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