jdd wrote:

Sid Boyce wrote:

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http://www.mandrake.tips.4.free.fr/opensuse10.3.review.html Mentions of "for the uninitiated" sounds about right. To sidestep any problems with the DVD, I've installed from Factory. Looks like the DVD should have been delayed until it was compared with Factory for stability. I think the reviewer attempted to be fair (he points to the URL to show where he is coming from). Perhaps some pertinent pointers for 11.0. Regards Sid.

always the same garbage... the author say that he wouldn't give openSUSE to a newcommer, but he try the install on a very special machine (grub on the root partition, and he wonder why he can't reboot without editing the original grub!!!), and when going to console he tries to use mandriva tools and don't know yast is at hand.

so one people that wants to make all special by himself and wonder why openSUSE don't do this automatically. May I say no distribution can do? and on my own laptop, mandriva installs worst than openSUSE (what means little)

jdd

I'm not sure that I could recommend the GM install DVD to a novice either and I swear by SuSE. As an ex (retired) College Professor teaching OS theory, I taught Windoze, RedHat, SuSE and several others. I chose SuSE for my own use. However, with that said, the GM release simply is/was not ready for prime time with major flaws in the installer, in the repair program and numerous other programs that simply shouldn't have been there in a release version. I consistently have recommended to management in private mail and in public that the GM be remastered. There are a few managers at openSuSE.org and Novell that are well aware of my views on the subject (at least their responses suggest they at least read the E-Mail <grin>). I think they made the wrong decision, but I can only hope that like 10.2, they see the light and re-master 10.3. With the numerous fixes that are in place, 10.3 is generally a good release and in some ways, a great release, but for a new install, it is often a disaster and depending on a faulty DVD to do an install with in the hopes the system will not destroy other OS's like Windoze or other distros long enough to download the 'fixes' is like lighting a handful of cherry bombs with a hand slathered with glue. You might succeed, but why do it in the first place. The reviewer consistently stated that the machine he was installing to was 'Novell Certified'. That doesn't sound like a 'very special machine' as you state. That he might have other distros, even Windows on that machine doesn't make it unusual. Many converts to SuSE will have or want the ability to keep their old OS, be it Windows or Mandrake or RedHat or whatever, even an older version of SuSE, until they are sure that the new version of SuSE does what they need and want it to do. To honestly say "I had problems" is not being negative. I am/was a beta tester for 10.3 and *I* had problems. I see dozens, no hundreds, of buglist reports from people with all kinds of problems. Sound problems, IDE renaming issues, clobbered Windows partitions, you name it....are they *all* 'special machines' and should therefore be discounted because they had problems? I think not. I think the reviewer was honest and admitted that he used other distros and frankly, if we, as beta testers, had done a better job, and if management and others at Novell and openSuSE.org had listened when we said 'there is a problem', rather than all too often ignoring or discounting the report until it was too late, maybe the reviewer might have said "this is a keeper" rather than saying in so many words, 'it is a very good distro, but not yet, at least for me'. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org