Re: Thunderbird - Trash, sort by deleted date
On 2023-08-08 15:48, joe a wrote:
On 8/7/2023 2:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-07 16:29, joe a wrote:
Anyone here using Thunderbird/Dovecote to sort Trash folder by deleted date?
I was astonished that does not seem to be the default. Do not find the option to add "Date deleted".
Asked on Mozilla/TB Support, which tells me that option is there, under Settings, View, Sort by. also on dovecote, which has not responded at all.
You certainly can sort "written" date. Not by deleted date, that is not recorded. You could try by "arrival", which is actually "unsorted". Huh, no, TB can't not sort.
Sort by written date, just click on the column header labeled "date".
Oh, you can select what columns to display, and one is "order received". If you tick on that column, it should be the same as "date of delete". Alternatively, you could try the column "received".
On further, minimal, revisit/thought, it would seem to be an IMAP thing. a "Date Deleted" field (?) would need to be added/flagged/noted. Casual sniffing has not shown such exists. At least garnered little interest.
Yes, it would need Thunderbird writing one extra header on the message itself with the timestamp of deletion. It is certainly possibly to add such a feature, AFAIK, if it has enough traction, but I'm not a dev. Only commenting by what I know of the format. Or, Thunderbird could write the information in the separate index file it keeps. I don't know how possible is this.
Tried "Order Received" early on. It is only what appears to be an ascending numeric value, indicating "arrival order".
Yes.
You leave me puzzled with "date of delete". That is exactly what I am looking for and have not found. As mentioned earlier "Date" and "Received" show identical values, which are not, "Date Deleted", but more like "When Received" (more or less).
I remain curious why there should be two available values, presumably having different meanings, yet, are displayed as identical values. Not knowing Dovecot and or IMAP beyond the "OK, got it working" level, unsure of why that might be, but suspect a "bug".
The Date of the Date column corresponds to the Date at time of writing the final copy of the email. It is up to the software that wrote the software. For example, your OP has: Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 10:29:28 -0400 Now, the "received" date I don't know for sure which it is. I guess it is the dat of the "last" received header, so it depends on the receiver. In that same message, it is: Received: from dovector04.e.movistar.es ([217.116.1.118]) by lda06.e.movistar.es (Dovecot) with LMTP id ...5w for <...@telefonica.net>; Mon, 07 Aug 2023 16:29:55 +0200 You can see there is a difference of seconds. But it could be some other "received" header. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 8/8/2023 13:57:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 15:48, joe a wrote:
On 8/7/2023 2:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-07 16:29, joe a wrote:
Anyone here using Thunderbird/Dovecote to sort Trash folder by deleted date?
I was astonished that does not seem to be the default. Do not find the option to add "Date deleted".
Asked on Mozilla/TB Support, which tells me that option is there, under Settings, View, Sort by. also on dovecote, which has not responded at all.
You certainly can sort "written" date. Not by deleted date, that is not recorded. You could try by "arrival", which is actually "unsorted". Huh, no, TB can't not sort.
Sort by written date, just click on the column header labeled "date".
Oh, you can select what columns to display, and one is "order received". If you tick on that column, it should be the same as "date of delete". Alternatively, you could try the column "received".
On further, minimal, revisit/thought, it would seem to be an IMAP thing. a "Date Deleted" field (?) would need to be added/flagged/noted. Casual sniffing has not shown such exists. At least garnered little interest.
Yes, it would need Thunderbird writing one extra header on the message itself with the timestamp of deletion. It is certainly possibly to add such a feature, AFAIK, if it has enough traction, but I'm not a dev. Only commenting by what I know of the format.
Or, Thunderbird could write the information in the separate index file it keeps. I don't know how possible is this.
Tried "Order Received" early on. It is only what appears to be an ascending numeric value, indicating "arrival order".
Yes.
You leave me puzzled with "date of delete". That is exactly what I am looking for and have not found. As mentioned earlier "Date" and "Received" show identical values, which are not, "Date Deleted", but more like "When Received" (more or less).
I remain curious why there should be two available values, presumably having different meanings, yet, are displayed as identical values. Not knowing Dovecot and or IMAP beyond the "OK, got it working" level, unsure of why that might be, but suspect a "bug".
The Date of the Date column corresponds to the Date at time of writing the final copy of the email. It is up to the software that wrote the software.
For example, your OP has:
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 10:29:28 -0400
Now, the "received" date I don't know for sure which it is. I guess it is the dat of the "last" received header, so it depends on the receiver. In that same message, it is:
Received: from dovector04.e.movistar.es ([217.116.1.118]) by lda06.e.movistar.es (Dovecot) with LMTP id ...5w for <...@telefonica.net>; Mon, 07 Aug 2023 16:29:55 +0200
You can see there is a difference of seconds.
But it could be some other "received" header.
I changed the time format to show HH:mm:ss and both columns still show the same value. Thunderbird support has not been entirely helpful. Not sure if this warrants raising a bug report or not. I've rarely done that and it is always a "needs retraining" ordeal.
On 2023-08-08 20:54, joe a wrote:
On 8/8/2023 13:57:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 15:48, joe a wrote:
On 8/7/2023 2:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-07 16:29, joe a wrote:
The Date of the Date column corresponds to the Date at time of writing the final copy of the email. It is up to the software that wrote the software.
For example, your OP has:
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 10:29:28 -0400
Now, the "received" date I don't know for sure which it is. I guess it is the dat of the "last" received header, so it depends on the receiver. In that same message, it is:
Received: from dovector04.e.movistar.es ([217.116.1.118]) by lda06.e.movistar.es (Dovecot) with LMTP id ...5w for <...@telefonica.net>; Mon, 07 Aug 2023 16:29:55 +0200
You can see there is a difference of seconds.
But it could be some other "received" header.
I changed the time format to show HH:mm:ss and both columns still show the same value.
Thunderbird support has not been entirely helpful. Not sure if this warrants raising a bug report or not. I've rarely done that and it is always a "needs retraining" ordeal.
The arrival time is either arrival at the imap server, or arrival at Thunderbird. I don't know which, I suspect the former. They should have some seconds of difference. Bug? Not yet, this interface is new. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 8/8/2023 17:01:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 20:54, joe a wrote:
On 8/8/2023 13:57:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 15:48, joe a wrote:
On 8/7/2023 2:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-07 16:29, joe a wrote:
The Date of the Date column corresponds to the Date at time of writing the final copy of the email. It is up to the software that wrote the software.
For example, your OP has:
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 10:29:28 -0400
Now, the "received" date I don't know for sure which it is. I guess it is the dat of the "last" received header, so it depends on the receiver. In that same message, it is:
Received: from dovector04.e.movistar.es ([217.116.1.118]) by lda06.e.movistar.es (Dovecot) with LMTP id ...5w for <...@telefonica.net>; Mon, 07 Aug 2023 16:29:55 +0200
You can see there is a difference of seconds.
But it could be some other "received" header.
I changed the time format to show HH:mm:ss and both columns still show the same value.
Thunderbird support has not been entirely helpful. Not sure if this warrants raising a bug report or not. I've rarely done that and it is always a "needs retraining" ordeal.
The arrival time is either arrival at the imap server, or arrival at Thunderbird. I don't know which, I suspect the former. They should have some seconds of difference. Bug? Not yet, this interface is new.
I don't follow. What has "new" got to do with perhaps being a bug? To my mind those values should not be identical. BTW, I meant the times were still identical to each other, not to their previously displayed value, as it now shows seconds as well. That may have been obvious, but wanted to clarify.
On 2023-08-08 23:09, joe a wrote:
On 8/8/2023 17:01:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 20:54, joe a wrote:
On 8/8/2023 13:57:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 15:48, joe a wrote:
On 8/7/2023 2:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-07 16:29, joe a wrote:
The Date of the Date column corresponds to the Date at time of writing the final copy of the email. It is up to the software that wrote the software.
For example, your OP has:
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 10:29:28 -0400
Now, the "received" date I don't know for sure which it is. I guess it is the dat of the "last" received header, so it depends on the receiver. In that same message, it is:
Received: from dovector04.e.movistar.es ([217.116.1.118]) by lda06.e.movistar.es (Dovecot) with LMTP id ...5w for <...@telefonica.net>; Mon, 07 Aug 2023 16:29:55 +0200
You can see there is a difference of seconds.
But it could be some other "received" header.
I changed the time format to show HH:mm:ss and both columns still show the same value.
Thunderbird support has not been entirely helpful. Not sure if this warrants raising a bug report or not. I've rarely done that and it is always a "needs retraining" ordeal.
The arrival time is either arrival at the imap server, or arrival at Thunderbird. I don't know which, I suspect the former. They should have some seconds of difference. Bug? Not yet, this interface is new.
I don't follow. What has "new" got to do with perhaps being a bug? To my mind those values should not be identical.
The Thunderbird interface is very new. IMHO you should wait a bit for the next small release to see if things get corrected. You could also check to see if it has been reported already.
BTW, I meant the times were still identical to each other, not to their previously displayed value, as it now shows seconds as well. That may have been obvious, but wanted to clarify.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 2023-08-08 23:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 23:09, joe a wrote:
On 8/8/2023 17:01:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 20:54, joe a wrote:
On 8/8/2023 13:57:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The arrival time is either arrival at the imap server, or arrival at Thunderbird. I don't know which, I suspect the former. They should have some seconds of difference. Bug? Not yet, this interface is new.
I don't follow. What has "new" got to do with perhaps being a bug? To my mind those values should not be identical.
The Thunderbird interface is very new. IMHO you should wait a bit for the next small release to see if things get corrected. You could also check to see if it has been reported already.
I got a Thunderbird update today, to 115.1.0 (64-bit). So, you should update and check again. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 8/9/2023 05:40:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 23:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 23:09, joe a wrote:
On 8/8/2023 17:01:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 20:54, joe a wrote:
On 8/8/2023 13:57:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The arrival time is either arrival at the imap server, or arrival at Thunderbird. I don't know which, I suspect the former. They should have some seconds of difference. Bug? Not yet, this interface is new.
I don't follow. What has "new" got to do with perhaps being a bug? To my mind those values should not be identical.
The Thunderbird interface is very new. IMHO you should wait a bit for the next small release to see if things get corrected. You could also check to see if it has been reported already.
I got a Thunderbird update today, to 115.1.0 (64-bit).
So, you should update and check again.
I show version as 102.14.0 (64-bit) and "up to date" and "on release update channel". Also just noticed that the columns ""From" and "Correspondents" contain identical information and sort in the identical order, which suggests content and display that are identical. That is a content vs a display issue. If you notice that behavior is different on v 115 I may chance an update.
On 2023-08-09 15:00, joe a wrote:
On 8/9/2023 05:40:25, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 23:14, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 23:09, joe a wrote:
On 8/8/2023 17:01:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 20:54, joe a wrote:
On 8/8/2023 13:57:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The arrival time is either arrival at the imap server, or arrival at Thunderbird. I don't know which, I suspect the former. They should have some seconds of difference. Bug? Not yet, this interface is new.
I don't follow. What has "new" got to do with perhaps being a bug? To my mind those values should not be identical.
The Thunderbird interface is very new. IMHO you should wait a bit for the next small release to see if things get corrected. You could also check to see if it has been reported already.
I got a Thunderbird update today, to 115.1.0 (64-bit).
So, you should update and check again.
I show version as 102.14.0 (64-bit) and "up to date" and "on release update channel".
Then you are not "up to date". You can not report a bug in that situation.
Also just noticed that the columns ""From" and "Correspondents" contain identical information and sort in the identical order, which suggests content and display that are identical. That is a content vs a display issue.
Correspondents can be different fields, it depends.
If you notice that behavior is different on v 115 I may chance an update.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 8/8/2023 13:57:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 15:48, joe a wrote:
On 8/7/2023 2:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-07 16:29, joe a wrote:
Anyone here using Thunderbird/Dovecote to sort Trash folder by deleted date?
I was astonished that does not seem to be the default. Do not find the option to add "Date deleted".
Asked on Mozilla/TB Support, which tells me that option is there, under Settings, View, Sort by. also on dovecote, which has not responded at all.
You certainly can sort "written" date. Not by deleted date, that is not recorded. You could try by "arrival", which is actually "unsorted". Huh, no, TB can't not sort.
Sort by written date, just click on the column header labeled "date".
Oh, you can select what columns to display, and one is "order received". If you tick on that column, it should be the same as "date of delete". Alternatively, you could try the column "received".
On further, minimal, revisit/thought, it would seem to be an IMAP thing. a "Date Deleted" field (?) would need to be added/flagged/noted. Casual sniffing has not shown such exists. At least garnered little interest.
Yes, it would need Thunderbird writing one extra header on the message itself with the timestamp of deletion. It is certainly possibly to add such a feature, AFAIK, if it has enough traction, but I'm not a dev. Only commenting by what I know of the format.
Or, Thunderbird could write the information in the separate index file it keeps. I don't know how possible is this.
Tried "Order Received" early on. It is only what appears to be an ascending numeric value, indicating "arrival order".
Yes.
The "Order Received", while a simple numeric sequence, is not a "system flag/value, it is the order it arrived (was "Received") in a given folder. That is, it appears to be created anew each time it arrives in any given folder, indicating the order it was received in that folder. So, while it is not the time/date stamp I was determined to find, it can serve.
On 2023-08-09 22:03, joe a wrote:
On 8/8/2023 13:57:42, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2023-08-08 15:48, joe a wrote:
On 8/7/2023 2:20 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Tried "Order Received" early on. It is only what appears to be an ascending numeric value, indicating "arrival order".
Yes.
The "Order Received", while a simple numeric sequence, is not a "system flag/value, it is the order it arrived (was "Received") in a given folder.
That is, it appears to be created anew each time it arrives in any given folder, indicating the order it was received in that folder.
In an mbox mail folder (local file), it is simply the order in which the emails are written in the file. In fact, the mails are separated inside the file with a line like this: From FETCHMAIL-DAEMON@localhost.nimrodel.valinor Fri Oct 14 15:57:55 2005 From robin....@gmx.es Wed Aug 9 19:30:19 2023 Which has a timestamp, which could be the "arrival date". But this is in the local mbox file. It could be maildir instead. Or a remote folder via imap. The "deleted" folder, if it is a local mbox file, will have the same structure and those timestamps that would be the deletion date (the arrival at the trashcan). So, perhaps try displaying the arrival date on the deleted folder.
So, while it is not the time/date stamp I was determined to find, it can serve.
-- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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