On 09/14/2019 11:43 PM, Carl Hartung wrote:

On Sun, 15 Sep 2019 00:26:34 -0400 Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Why can't I copy a downloaded .exe file to Windows 10 on the same drive? I can access the Windows partition from Thunderbird super-user Dolphin, but I mark a file to copy and try to paste in the Windows partition, but it is grayed out. What am I doing wrong?

Thanx for your help--doug

The explanation will likely be found here:

https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/01/fix-windows-10-or-8-partition-mounted....

hth & regards,

Carl

Bingo, Great link Carl. You hit the nail on the head. This is horribly frustrating behavior (on by default) in Win10. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/15/2019 09:06 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 15/09/2019 06.26, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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Why can't I copy a downloaded .exe file to Windows 10 on the same drive? I can access the Windows partition from Thunderbird super-user Dolphin, but I mark a file to copy and try to paste in the Windows partition, but it is grayed out. What am I doing wrong?

Open a terminal and run the command "mount -v". Paste here the line for the windows partition, or all if you don't know which it is.

1. I have a quite recent Windows 10 (new computer) and the "save changes" is grayed out, so I can't turn off the fast boot that way, and I tried holding down the shift key while selected the power down or whatever it's called from the menu, but that didn't work. There['s probably a file that could be edited, but I have no idea what or what the edit would look like. 2. From a root terminal, mount -v /dev/sda4 comes back with message "Not found in fstab", which is true, and mount -v all produces the same thing. I looked at the fstab file and it's complicated! Now what?

Most likely, the partition is mounted read-only (or not mounted) because Windows was stopped in fast boot mode (it is the default). The quick way to avoid that is to power up windows, then reboot to Linux directly, not halt or power off.

3. I'll try this latter, but I don't quite understand. I can't boot into Linux from a running Windows system, can I? If so, how? Thanx for the comeback. Damn Windows anyway! --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 2019-09-15 05:05 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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What am I doing wrong?

Running Windows.  ;-)

1. I have a quite recent Windows 10 (new computer) and the "save changes" is grayed out, so I can't turn off the fast boot that way, and I tried holding down the shift key while selected the power down or whatever it's called from the menu, but that didn't work. There['s probably a file that could be edited, but I have no idea what or what the edit would look like.

Did you click on "Change settings that are currently unavailable"?

3. I'll try this latter, but I don't quite understand. I can't boot into Linux from a running Windows system, can I? If so, how?

If that fast startup is enabled, you won't be able to boot into Linux. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 09/15/2019 04:05 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

1. I have a quite recent Windows 10 (new computer) and the "save changes" is grayed out, so I can't turn off the fast boot that way, and I tried holding down the shift key while selected the power down or whatever it's called from the menu, but that didn't work. There['s probably a file that could be edited, but I have no idea what or what the edit would look like.

In Win10, there is a distinction between "Shutdown" and "Restart". "Shutdown" is not a full shutdown. It actually saves the current state and when you power-on again, your computer picks up where it was (more or less). You can confirm by checking the Up-Time in the TaskManager (CPU) tab. It is more like a long-term suspect than a true shutdown. By contrast, a "Restart" is a complete shutdown (don't ask me why that makes sense). So if you are dual-booting, it is best to "Restart" Win10 to boot Linux. I have not compared fast-boot on/off impact on this behavior and maybe it does make "Shutdown" a real shutdown, but one of the consequences of choosing "Shutdown" (when it is not a full shutdown) is it will leave locks on the various filesystems because it expects the filesystem to be unchanged when brought out of its quasi-extended suspend state. This impacts not only your ability to access the partitions as you have found, but also to access the drive from VM's launched while windows is in this funky semi-shutdown state. So rule-of-thumb with Win10 -- "Restart" to be sure... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 17/09/2019 22.43, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 09/16/2019 06:51 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 09/15/2019 04:05 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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1. I have a quite recent Windows 10 (new computer) and the "save changes" is grayed out, so I can't turn off the fast boot that way, and I tried holding down the shift key while selected the power down or whatever it's called from the menu, but that didn't work. There['s probably a file that could be edited, but I have no idea what or what the edit would look like.

In Win10, there is a distinction between "Shutdown" and "Restart". "Shutdown" is not a full shutdown. It actually saves the current state and when you power-on again, your computer picks up where it was (more or less). You can confirm by checking the Up-Time in the TaskManager (CPU) tab. It is more like a long-term suspect than a true shutdown.

By contrast, a "Restart" is a complete shutdown (don't ask me why that makes sense). So if you are dual-booting, it is best to "Restart" Win10 to boot Linux.

I have not compared fast-boot on/off impact on this behavior and maybe it does make "Shutdown" a real shutdown, but one of the consequences of choosing "Shutdown" (when it is not a full shutdown) is it will leave locks on the various filesystems because it expects the filesystem to be unchanged when brought out of its quasi-extended suspend state. This impacts not only your ability to access the partitions as you have found, but also to access the drive from VM's launched while windows is in this funky semi-shutdown state.

So rule-of-thumb with Win10 -- "Restart" to be sure...

How do I do a Restart? Must I open a console window and must I be admin?

No, just use the button in the menu. There are several options. stop, reboot, hibernate, suspend... -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 09/17/2019 08:10 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 09/17/2019 03:43 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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How do I do a Restart? Must I open a console window and must I be admin? I suppose that might work. I have to figure out how to do this, since it is a long time since I ever used the command prompt in Windows.

I don't have time to get into that this afternoon--it may have to be tomorrow. But it sounds like the answer to the problem. Otherwise, I can always copy the downloaded file to a usb thumbdrive, but I'm trying to avoid starting Windows just to add a file.

Oh, sorry, simpler than that. Just choose start-menu and click the little shutdown icons (1st one on the left side of the start-menu) and choose "Restart" instead of "Shutdown"'

You can also Rt-click the start menu and bring up the power-user menu which lists "Restart" as well (under the Shut down or sign out list)

I found the Restart button, Hitting the Start menu brings up three options, one of which is Restart, just like you said. Unfortunately, after doing a restart and then selecting opensuse, it still seems that Windows is in ro mode. Tried to copy a pdf from Linux to Windows, using Dolphin Super User, but the the paste line is grayed out. I suspect that MS has deliberately made it almost impossible to defeat this "feature." Thanx for trying, everybody. I'll do it the hard way using a thumb drive. It's not like I need to do it every day, I was just hoping it would be simple, but obviously it's not. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 9/18/2019 3:40 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On 09/17/2019 08:10 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:

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On 09/17/2019 03:43 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote:

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How do I do a Restart? Must I open a console window and must I be admin? I suppose that might work. I have to figure out how to do this, since it is a long time since I ever used the command prompt in Windows.

I don't have time to get into that this afternoon--it may have to be tomorrow. But it sounds like the answer to the problem. Otherwise, I can always copy the downloaded file to a usb thumbdrive, but I'm trying to avoid starting Windows just to add a file.

Oh, sorry, simpler than that. Just choose start-menu and click the little shutdown icons (1st one on the left side of the start-menu) and choose "Restart" instead of "Shutdown"'

You can also Rt-click the start menu and bring up the power-user menu which lists "Restart" as well (under the Shut down or sign out list)

I found the Restart button, Hitting the Start menu brings up three options, one of which is Restart, just like you said. Unfortunately, after doing a restart and then selecting opensuse, it still seems that Windows is in ro mode. Tried to copy a pdf from Linux to Windows, using Dolphin Super User, but the the paste line is grayed out. I suspect that MS has deliberately made it almost impossible to defeat this "feature." Thanx for trying, everybody. I'll do it the hard way using a thumb drive. It's not like I need to do it every day, I was just hoping it would be simple, but obviously it's not.

    I had that problem once.  Windows shuts down to let fast boot work next reboot. I believe you have to hold the shift key down while clicking shutdown to do a complete shutdown.  Hope this helps..... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

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How do I do a Restart? Must I open a console window and must I be admin? I suppose that might work. I have to figure out how to do this, since it is a long time since I ever used the command prompt in Windows.

...snip Windows CMD shutdown /s /f /t 0 /s shutdown /f force (close running applications without prompt) /t 0 shutdown now - the zero is time in seconds I do not believe that you have to be an administrator. or Start > Power Button > Hold the shift key while clicking Shut down Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

* Knurpht-openSUSE [09-18-19 18:11]:

Op woensdag 18 september 2019 23:58:05 CEST schreef Mark Petersen:

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How do I do a Restart? Must I open a console window and must I be admin? I suppose that might work. I have to figure out how to do this, since it is a long time since I ever used the command prompt in Windows.

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Windows CMD

shutdown /s /f /t 0

/s shutdown /f force (close running applications without prompt) /t 0 shutdown now - the zero is time in seconds

I do not believe that you have to be an administrator.

or

Start > Power Button > Hold the shift key while clicking Shut down

Mark Eh, nobody googled for win10 disable fast boot ? The top hit shows a pic how it's done.

are you ?assuming? the instructions will be followed? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On 19/09/2019 00.09, Knurpht-openSUSE wrote:

Eh, nobody googled for win10 disable fast boot ? The top hit shows a pic how it's done.

I did, years ago, then months ago :-) We probably all have one time or another ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.1 (Legolas))