Re: Offtopic, obviously slanderous, anti-religious propaganda in signatures (was Re: [opensuse] Re: systemd vs cups)
auxsvr@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday 17 of April 2014 14:23:07 you wrote:
The project *ignores* stuff in a sig. It is not part of the content of the discussion.
---- How is it not part of the discussion if it appears in the messages exchanged during the discussion? The way the signature is generated is irrelevant.
It was META information...a side-quip, not meant to be part of the discussion anymore than the headers of this email.
To get worked up about, it is illogical, a sign of insecurity, and perhaps even illness, so if the foo fits, wear it -- i.e. the more you complain about it, the more you assert to everyone that it applied to you.
That's rich, someone claiming I'm sick because I'm Christian and now you claiming that complaining about this makes me sick, too! Let me guess, you're an atheist and me being a Christian makes me sick by definition, right?
----- Actually atheists have *faith* that there is nothing, so their position is equally logical as that of the believer. I would more likely, by nature, tend toward agnosticism, but by my enchantment with nature, likely a pagan or eclectic witch -- who believes the way to spiritual enlightenment is within you and all around you. That you need to seek others for enlightenment is an assertion that creation (or a "creator" if you personify it) created you imperfectly and incomplete. That some believe there is 1 true way and that they can assert and profess it to others is minimally, annoying, but historically, a step on the road toward violence and destruction.
But how could this be so, knowing by science that there is nothing that connects faith with illness?
To the contrary, there is considerable evidence that connects faith, e.g. beliefs, with wellness, well-being, and illness. That this cannot be, consistently, proven via the scientific method is a result of inability to duplicate circumstances. In some respects belief in the scientific method is a form of insanity, as, at it's core, it requires that you perform tests holding all other conditions equal or the same. The conditions are ***never*** the same. Believing that you can really do something the exactly same way twice is widely held "belief" -- so much so that quote the quote: "Doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results is a form of insanity," is often misattibuted to various great thinkers (though earliest forms were seen in a 12-step, belief(faith) in higher-power(god) self-help group (N.A.).
So if you don't like it, best to ignore it -- unless you are board and want to create a side discussion like this.
Do you like being slandered? Were you bored when you replied to the previous message?
You were not slandered. A group that you belonged to was described in amusing terms by someone who themselves could be equally described such. That you took a generic statement an applied it to yourself was your choice to make it personal -- believing, as you assert to us, that it was a personal affront -- that it really did apply to you. That's why it is "rich" as you put it. By raising your hand (even though in complaint), you are drawing everyone's attention to your behavior and the statement and connecting them. Are all Christians so dense as to claim such statements apply and were meant against them individually (don't answer that, I _know_ it is not the case)? I.e. that's the type of rhetorical question that can go through any reader's head, seeing your response. Was I bored when I replied? To some extent. I'm taking a break from doing anything useful. Do you think Jesus would have objected so vociferously to a side comment? You are putting yourself in the same group as the HTML and doubled-reply haters!... *plegh* ;-) (that's a bit tongue in cheek in case it wasn't obvious). Sister in faith... (one of them, I'm sure), Linda -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/17/2014 05:12 PM, Linda Walsh wrote:
Actually atheists have *faith* that there is nothing, so their position is equally logical as that of the believer.
We've discussed this to death at sweet-haven. I've seen that many, if not most, religious folks can't comprehend someone being a-religious. A faithful person sees everything else as a function of their faith. That a person has NO faith is a concept that lives in an unreachable alternative universe. So I bristle when someone tells me that I have faith in the fact I have no faith in religion. We should really take all this off-topic, I won't reply on this thread anymore. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Linda Walsh wrote:
Actually atheists have *faith* that there is nothing, so their position is equally logical as that of the believer.
Actually, that's complete nonsense. We look for facts and evidence and decide accordingly. Fact is, there is absolutely nothing to support the claims of a "God". On the other hand, there's plenty, including within the bible itself that contradicts the claims of that same bible. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On April 18, 2014 8:08:28 AM EDT, James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> wrote:
Linda Walsh wrote:
Actually atheists have *faith* that there is nothing, so their position is equally logical as that of the believer.
Actually, that's complete nonsense. We look for facts and evidence and decide accordingly. Fact is, there is absolutely nothing to support the claims of a "God". On the other hand, there's plenty, including within the bible itself that contradicts the claims of that same bible.
I congratulate all the non-atheists that have refused to take James bait and participate in this off-topic thread. James, if you want to have the debate, there is sweet haven or opensuse-offtopic. Making comments here where it is against list rules to reply is not convincing anyone. Greg -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Greg Freemyer
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James Knott
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Lew Wolfgang
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Linda Walsh