[opensuse] Something wrong with opensuse list - some messages get there asap, some 1/2 hour or more?
All, For the past 24 hours or so, I've had some messages that take over 1/2 hour to reach the list, while some get there in 2 secs. Is anyone else seeing this? What could cause this? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014, at 07:41 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
What could cause this?
while in the midst of some historical list-reading, I'd guess "systemd" or "new users" ... ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/22/2014 10:41 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
All,
For the past 24 hours or so, I've had some messages that take over 1/2 hour to reach the list, while some get there in 2 secs. Is anyone else seeing this? What could cause this?
Ah, 'statistic'. Bad hair days. -- /"\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* grantksupport@operamail.com
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014, at 07:41 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
What could cause this?
while in the midst of some historical list-reading, I'd guess "systemd" or "new users" ...
What "on earth" would systemd have to do with delaying list mail traffic? You are spreading FUD. ps: I read the list and definitely do NOT need a duplicate copy of your response. Respond ONLY to the list. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
while in the midst of some historical list-reading, I'd guess "systemd" or "new users" ...
What "on earth" would systemd have to do with delaying list mail traffic?
You are spreading FUD.
a bit of humor & sarcasm lost on you? emoticons a new concept? never read the knee-jerk blame-it-on-systemd-or-newusers responses? seriously, get a life ... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* grantksupport@operamail.com
while in the midst of some historical list-reading, I'd guess "systemd" or "new users" ...
What "on earth" would systemd have to do with delaying list mail traffic?
You are spreading FUD.
a bit of humor & sarcasm lost on you? emoticons a new concept? never read the knee-jerk blame-it-on-systemd-or-newusers responses?
Saw NO humor and no emoticons, perhaps written in invisible chars.
seriously, get a life ...
Have one and STILL DO NOT NEED DUPLICATE POSTS! get real. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Saw NO humor and no emoticons, perhaps written in invisible chars.
PEBKAC. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2014-07/msg00862.html Talk to the hand ... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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All,
For the past 24 hours or so, I've had some messages that take over 1/2 hour to reach the list, while some get there in 2 secs. Is anyone else seeing this? What could cause this?
If you have some messageids, I can check them. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlPOlpEACgkQja8UbcUWM1yeOAD+PLG/zwxxSunx1WapyP9qcCn+ IAt3W/OQ9f0eupNfuEEBAIQ2kX+rBcS034/HVt+d3Qbip9SMHwlWUA4regMydFrv =54W1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2014, at 07:41 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
What could cause this?
while in the midst of some historical list-reading, I'd guess "systemd" or "new users" ...
;-)
LOL. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlPOlrcACgkQja8UbcUWM1wT2gD/e4YpLpHRQOKcvTH3rudXBNfG fx0QVYY00fFN4q/ZJG0A/jeD2erdsTJParf/JQJd7S/+NUHSkZDC9tNzJYF1DBc0 =sbbB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 07/22/2014 11:51 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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El 2014-07-22 a las 09:41 -0500, David C. Rankin escribió:
All,
For the past 24 hours or so, I've had some messages that take over 1/2 hour to reach the list, while some get there in 2 secs. Is anyone else seeing this? What could cause this?
If you have some messageids, I can check them.
- -- Cheers Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith))
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Carlos, Thanks. Here are a couple from today. Delayed for long enough I left for a depo before it it the list: Message-ID: <53CE71CF.8070604@suddenlinkmail.com> Sent after 53CE71CF.8070604, but hit the list immediately: Message-ID: <53CE7808.5060307@suddenlinkmail.com> -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2014-07-22 09:41 (GMT-0500) David C. Rankin composed:
For the past 24 hours or so, I've had some messages that take over 1/2 hour to reach the list, while some get there in 2 secs. Is anyone else seeing this?
At random times on random lists to which I subscribe, often on a particular few.
What could cause this?
Busy server? Random backups along the route? DMARC-related activity in the email distribution pathways? http://dmarc.org/overview.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/2141120/yahoo-email-antispoofing-policy-break... https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/dev/2014-07/msg00340.html I think we have past the time when email was reliable so that you could assume the mail you send actually reaches its intended recipient. I lost the ability to send/receive to/from the TDE mailing list with this long used earthlink.net email account in December. It still seems to work OK with the other 70 or so mailing lists I subscribe to, but with so many it's hard to be sure there aren't other failures. I'm able to post in the TDE list now only as a result of having created a new email account independently of my ISP using the Google email system instead, and resubbing with the new address. Even so, I don't think I can yet rely on the other address for using the TDE list. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Carlos,
Thanks. Here are a couple from today.
Delayed for long enough I left for a depo before it it the list:
Message-ID: <53CE71CF.8070604@suddenlinkmail.com> Message-ID: <53CE7808.5060307@suddenlinkmail.com>
But those two are your messages. I mean some of me that don't display correctly. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlPPmloACgkQja8UbcUWM1wVbAD/Rr1h2kShFPlDYPJu+1Gr+sGJ UvKccIxobNKujkXhx+gA/RlVUdQuwj8usAW+UEuUQ7D1jKk9hmjaM8HKSZdKOXIW =0ifl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2014-07-23 a las 03:14 -0400, Felix Miata escribió:
sure there aren't other failures. I'm able to post in the TDE list now only as a result of having created a new email account independently of my ISP using the Google email system instead, and resubbing with the new address. Even so, I don't think I can yet rely on the other address for using the TDE list.
There is a google mail feature that allows you to send email from google servers but using an external email address of your choice. It is what I use to send this particular email, check the headers... - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlPPm3oACgkQja8UbcUWM1yTlQD+KgNGjmgTG/GF56UNSsW5AMmG VR59qNk1pGqfXiWFScAA/RXlxYW0SGiAThFLEsDM0zXV0zKs028H/XcWZkCBTOtg =h3yR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hey, On 23.07.2014 06:27, David C. Rankin wrote:
Delayed for long enough I left for a depo before it it the list:
Message-ID: <53CE71CF.8070604@suddenlinkmail.com>
The thread this mail has gone to is moderated. Moderation happens irregularly... BTW Why didn't you just ask opensuse+owner@opensuse.org instead of the list? Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Mailinglist Admin http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/23/2014 06:19 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
But those two are your messages. I mean some of me that don't display correctly.
(Uugh - sorry) That's what I was talking about. Messages I send. Some go straight to the opensuse list. Some seem to spin around in the ether for over 1/2 hour before showing up. Strange. The last 24 hours seem fine though. Gremlins... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/23/2014 09:35 AM, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 23.07.2014 06:27, David C. Rankin wrote:
Delayed for long enough I left for a depo before it it the list:
Message-ID: <53CE71CF.8070604@suddenlinkmail.com>
The thread this mail has gone to is moderated. Moderation happens irregularly...
BTW Why didn't you just ask opensuse+owner@opensuse.org instead of the list?
Henne
I knew it! It's a conspiracy I tell you... (separate reply to Henne :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Saw NO humor and no emoticons, perhaps written in invisible chars.
seriously, get a life ...
Saw them here.
Have one and STILL DO NOT NEED DUPLICATE POSTS! get real.
--- Maybe you need an extra copy in HTML? ;-) [<emote>*smile with a raised eyebrow on one side*</emote>, so that you can better see formatting and alternate representations? As for the duplicate copies, I see that you finally decided to stop blaming others and to set your reply to field to point to the list instead of *TELLING OTHER PEOPLE to REPLY to YOU*.... That's what the list rules are broken. They give advice that is contrary to mandated RFC standards, that disregards the fact that whether one gets "duplicate"[sic] responses is the choice of the author being responded *to*. I.e. if you set your email reader to configure a "Reply-to: <listname> on those lists where you don't want a personal copy, you shouldn't get a copy. Those are the standards. Asking individual humans that are not programmable with things like "auto-header-detection" and such is taking your hostility out on the users for following RFC's. Face it. SuSE rules state that users should ignore RFC's and then blame users when those rules are ignored. How is that different from a "setup"...that sets up conditions making it likely that users will violate the non-standard rules, then holding the user responsible? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
* Linda Walsh
Maybe you need an extra copy in HTML? ;-) [<emote>*smile with a raised eyebrow on one side*</emote>, so that you can better see formatting and alternate representations?
As for the duplicate copies, I see that you finally decided to stop blaming others and to set your reply to field to point to the list instead of *TELLING OTHER PEOPLE to REPLY to YOU*....
That's what the list rules are broken. They give advice that is contrary to mandated RFC standards, that disregards the fact that whether one gets "duplicate"[sic] responses is the choice of the author being responded *to*. I.e. if you set your email reader to configure a "Reply-to: <listname> on those lists where you don't want a personal copy, you shouldn't get a copy. Those are the standards. Asking individual humans that are not programmable with things like "auto-header-detection" and such is taking your hostility out on the users for following RFC's.
Face it. SuSE rules state that users should ignore RFC's and then blame users when those rules are ignored. How is that different from a "setup"...that sets up conditions making it likely that users will violate the non-standard rules, then holding the user responsible?
:0: * ^From.*suse/@tlinx/.org|\ ^From.*akulkis /dev/null Really stops dups and long winded, inane, ignorant comments -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
:0: * ^From.*suse/@tlinx/.org|\ ^From.*akulkis /dev/null
Really stops dups and long winded, inane, ignorant comments And there ya go, giving out false information.
For those that would want to block me, they shouldn't include "slashes" in the address, but backslashes (if needed). Long-winded? maybe, but Inane and ignorant? Um... I think that better fits your advice, given your example. Besides, you've already programmed your reply-to to send to the list, so you wouldn't get hit by someone following RFC's anyway. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, remember this post? http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2014-06/msg01805.html How about you two take it to heart and relax? :-) Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Mailinglist Admin http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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On 07/23/2014 06:19 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
But those two are your messages. I mean some of me that don't display correctly.
(Uugh - sorry) That's what I was talking about. Messages I send. Some go straight to the opensuse list. Some seem to spin around in the ether for over 1/2 hour before showing up. Strange.
Ooops, no, sorry me. I confused the issue with another thread.
The last 24 hours seem fine though. Gremlins...
Message-ID: <53CE71CF.8070604@suddenlinkmail.com>: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:14:40 -0500 at your ISP. Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:14:41 +0000 (UTC) at suse.de Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:14:44 +0000 (GMT) at lists4.suse.de Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:58:34 +0000 (GMT) at lists4.suse.de Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:58:35 +0000 at my ISP so, yes, half an hour delay.
Message-ID: <53CE7808.5060307@suddenlinkmail.com>
Tue, 22 Jul 2014 09:41:12 -0500 at your ISP Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:41:13 +0000 (UTC) at suse.de Received: from lists4.suse.de to by smtp.movistar.es at Tue, 22 Jul 2014 14:41:22 +0000 No delay on this one. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlPQ8QQACgkQja8UbcUWM1yYhwEAia8bbNJ8B9ScPCAhfe91oywe tLEpkjzryYjkfq1VT1cBAJNlW1qO2GL2tECt/ZNU+LovqH70+gJeIxemC9SaPl2e =gdaK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
remember this post?
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2014-06/msg01805.html
How about you two take it to heart and relax? :-)
Henne
---- I was quite relaxed. I didn't go out of my way to tell the list how to block someone's email -- but, instead, have, more than once, explained how they can have what they want without blaming others. On top of not telling how to block someone's email, I also didn't mess up my "insult" by giving the wrong syntax. Personally, I find humor relaxing, and seeing someone so clearly stick their foot in their mouth that wasn't *me*, for a change, was very relaxing! ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hey, On 24.07.2014 17:00, Linda Walsh wrote:
Henne Vogelsang wrote:
remember this post?
http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2014-06/msg01805.html
How about you two take it to heart and relax? :-)
I didn't go out of my way to tell the list how to block someone's email -- but, instead, have, more than once, explained how they can have what they want without blaming others.
I don't care who did what, who started it or who's fault it is. Either you both stop your personal bickering on this list or I step in. This is my last warning. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, Mailinglist Admin http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, On Wed, 23 Jul 2014, Linda Walsh wrote:
decided to stop blaming others and to set your reply to field to point to the list instead of *TELLING OTHER PEOPLE to REPLY to YOU*....
That's what the list rules are broken. They give advice that is contrary to mandated RFC standards, that disregards the fact that whether one gets "duplicate"[sic] responses is the choice of the author being responded *to*.
Care to state which RfC you refer to? ==== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email#Header_fields Reply-To: Address that should be used to reply to the message. ==== http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322 ==== 3.6.2. Originator Fields The originator fields of a message consist of the from field, the sender field (when applicable), and optionally the reply-to field. [..] When the "Reply-To:" field is present, it indicates the address(es) to which the author of the message suggests that replies be sent. ==== If you reply to a message with a reply-to Header, you should reply to the address(es) specified in that header. You need not reply to _ONLY_ that address(es). You are free to e.g. also add To/CC this mailinglist. JFTR, -dnh -- <sct> Anyone want the new supermount? :) <klogd> whats new aboutit <sct> klogd: It cleans whiter than white. :) -- Seen on #Linux -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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