Against all logic and reason, I am still persisting in my efforts to move over to Linux from windows. There are a handful of apps that I want to have the equivalent of under Linux, the most important being Outlook (excl. security holes). Aethera looked promising, but I couldn't get it to install and it looks like the project has been abandoned. A lot of people on this list had good things to say about Evolution, so I downloaded the SuSE 7.3 version of the basic desktop via the Ximain on-line installer (Red Carpet?). I did manage to get Evolution started, but it was very disappointing for numerous reasons, but mainly because I could never get it to send mail. However, the real problem that Ximain has created for me is that their installer has completely wiped out Gnome. Gnome appears as an option in the log-in menu, but selecting it is pointless because it starts KDE (some might say that's a good thing). I am not inclined to just "take a punt" and change anything under Linux, without asking questions first. Invariably I have found that resolving one problem with Linux creates at least two new ones. So can anyone here offer any suggestions on: a) How to get rid of the Ximain crap? b) Can I recover Gnome just by reinstalling with Yast2? TIA Dave (Totally Frustrated) Barton
On Tue, 2002-02-12 at 20:19, Dave Barton wrote:
a) How to get rid of the Ximain crap?
b) Can I recover Gnome just by reinstalling with Yast2?
I think the Ximian Desktop is a one-way street :-( I understand that it "upgrades" a lot of your Gnome stuff, so there's really no "going back". If I were in your shoes, I might consider a complete re-install, then stay away from Ximian. -Gord (happy with Ximian Desktop and Evolution) -- Gordon Pritchard, P.Eng., Member IEEE Technical University of B.C. - Research Lab Engineer mailto:gordon.pritchard@techbc.ca direct phone: 604-586-6186
On Tue, 2002-02-12 at 20:51, Gordon Pritchard wrote:
On Tue, 2002-02-12 at 20:19, Dave Barton wrote:
a) How to get rid of the Ximain crap?
b) Can I recover Gnome just by reinstalling with Yast2?
I think the Ximian Desktop is a one-way street :-( I understand that it "upgrades" a lot of your Gnome stuff, so there's really no "going back".
If I were in your shoes, I might consider a complete re-install, then stay away from Ximian.
-Gord (happy with Ximian Desktop and Evolution)
Probably a way, but its not going to be easy imho. Easier route would be to try and fix Ximian to get it working as well as you'd like. Matt PS What do you research if I may ask Gordon?
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On Tue, 2002-02-12 at 23:19, Dave Barton wrote:
However, the real problem that Ximain has created for me is that their installer has completely wiped out Gnome. Gnome appears as an option in the log-in menu, but selecting it is pointless because it starts KDE (some might say that's a good thing).
In order to start Ximan gnome, you have to create a new session called gnome.session, rather than just gnome. Exactly how you do this depends on whether you are using gdm or KDE's thingie.
a) How to get rid of the Ximain crap?
Reinstall, although the Ximian stuff isn't that bad, and I've learned a lot getting it working. Another couple SuSE and Ximian gnome versions, and I might get to graduate from rank newbie status <g>.
b) Can I recover Gnome just by reinstalling with Yast2?
Don't know. Some of the questions you have are answered at ximian.com, on their support page. There is a decent list for Ximian issues, too. Be well, Lissa -- INCORPORATION, n. The act of uniting several persons into one fiction called a corporation, in order that they may be no longer responsible for their actions. Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
On Tue, 2002-02-12 at 21:41, Lissa wrote:
On Tue, 2002-02-12 at 23:19, Dave Barton wrote:
However, the real problem that Ximain has created for me is that their installer has completely wiped out Gnome. Gnome appears as an option in the log-in menu, but selecting it is pointless because it starts KDE (some might say that's a good thing).
In order to start Ximan gnome, you have to create a new session called gnome.session, rather than just gnome. Exactly how you do this depends on whether you are using gdm or KDE's thingie.
Shoot me, missed this. Sorry Dave...Yes if you're running KDE try running Control Center and then go to System->Login Manager and you should see a root button, select this and then enter your root password, then go to "Sessions" its a tab on the top and then under the heading "New type", put in "gnome-session" no need for these " ". Thats it, logout and try running Ximian, its working better now on SuSE than it did a year ago for some reason. Last year they cared less, much less..But I have been hammering them on Linux Today about lack of other OS support lol. Matt
On Tue, 2002-02-12 at 21:19, Dave Barton wrote:
Against all logic and reason, I am still persisting in my efforts to move over to Linux from windows. There are a handful of apps that I want to have the equivalent of under Linux, the most important being Outlook (excl. security holes).
Aethera looked promising, but I couldn't get it to install and it looks like the project has been abandoned.
A lot of people on this list had good things to say about Evolution, so I downloaded the SuSE 7.3 version of the basic desktop via the Ximain on-line installer (Red Carpet?). I did manage to get Evolution started, but it was very disappointing for numerous reasons, but mainly because I could never get it to send mail.
However, the real problem that Ximain has created for me is that their installer has completely wiped out Gnome. Gnome appears as an option in the log-in menu, but selecting it is pointless because it starts KDE (some might say that's a good thing).
I am not inclined to just "take a punt" and change anything under Linux, without asking questions first. Invariably I have found that resolving one problem with Linux creates at least two new ones. So can anyone here offer any suggestions on:
a) How to get rid of the Ximain crap?
b) Can I recover Gnome just by reinstalling with Yast2?
TIA Dave (Totally Frustrated) Barton
To get to ximian-gnome you will need to use control centre; login manager and delete the "gnome" session and add "gnome-session". You will then be able to login to gnome by selecting gnome-session from KDM. You probably have KDE selected as your default session and as gnome is no longer the correct name to start your gnome environment then KDM uses the default KDE. Changing the name to gnome-session solves this. It appears that ximian gnome is a one-way trip and I would be surprised if you could safely and completely remove it. In defense of Ximian, the installer does ask how much ximian gnome do you want installed and then you are asked which display manager you want to use and then the doorman asks if you want the gnome desktop changed or left with your original settings. Selecting a minimum installation and not allowing Ximian to change either the display manager or the desktop settings results in a well behaved ximian gnome package. PS Evolution works fine in KDE and gnome or ximian gnome is not required; just a lot of dependencies for evolution. To get rid of your ximian gnome you may try and search for all files with *ximian* in their name and remove all those files and then try to reinstall gnome using Yast. I do not recommend this and suspect it would cause an unstable system. -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, rsanford@telusplanet.net - should you trust your government? DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01
* Dave Barton (bmcs@ozemail.com.au) [020212 20:21]: -> ->Aethera looked promising, but I couldn't get it to install and it ->looks like the project has been abandoned. -> I sure hope not since Hancom's Office suite has this as a very intergrated part to their office suite. I think they are maintaining now..but you could check out theKompany. They just put out a new beta version a few months ago. It was..ok. -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC
On Tue, 2002-02-12 at 22:41, Ben Rosenberg wrote:
* Dave Barton (bmcs@ozemail.com.au) [020212 20:21]: -> ->Aethera looked promising, but I couldn't get it to install and it ->looks like the project has been abandoned. ->
I sure hope not since Hancom's Office suite has this as a very intergrated part to their office suite. I think they are maintaining now..but you could check out theKompany. They just put out a new beta version a few months ago. It was..ok.
Try sending a "lists" message to majordomo@thekompany.com as this will list all the mailing lists that they have. You could join the Aethera mailing list and ask :). Matt
-----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org -----=====-----=====-----=====-----=====----- "I've never been quarantined. But the more I look around the more I think it might not be a bad thing." -JC
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begin Ben Rosenberg's quote: | * Dave Barton (bmcs@ozemail.com.au) [020212 20:21]: | -> | ->Aethera looked promising, but I couldn't get it to install and it | ->looks like the project has been abandoned. | -> | | I sure hope not since Hancom's Office suite has this as a very | intergrated part to their office suite. I think they are | maintaining now..but you could check out theKompany. They just put | out a new beta version a few months ago. It was..ok. and a new one is expected in the next couple of weeks. -- dep if you go with the flow you'll get chopped to pieces by the turbines.
Thanks to everyone who replied. Changing the log-in option from "gnome" to "gnome-session" did the trick. The Ximain Gnome Desktop is not too bad, so I will probably keep it. Dave (Not So Frustrated) Barton
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