On Saturday, 1 September 2007, Sunny wrote:

I just found out that it never closes the open pop3 connections, and leaves thousands of kio_pop3 processes running, even if you close the program.

Yep, noticed that as well. Glad to know that others are seeing it as well.

Manual killall kio_pop3 is needed to cleanup.

Yep - that is what I am doing. Thanks to all. Now to submit a bug report if one isn't already opened.... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 9/1/07, Kai Ponte <kai@perfectreign.com> wrote:

On Saturday 01 September 2007 12:22, sml@lordsargon.com wrote:

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On Saturday, 1 September 2007, Sunny wrote:

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I just found out that it never closes the open pop3 connections, and leaves thousands of kio_pop3 processes running, even if you close the program.

Yep, noticed that as well. Glad to know that others are seeing it as well.

...

Manual killall kio_pop3 is needed to cleanup.

Yep - that is what I am doing.

Thanks to all.

Now to submit a bug report if one isn't already opened....

What version is that?

I have 1.9.5 (Using KDE 3.5.5 "release 45.4" openSUSE 10.2)

I just did a smart update yesterday.

I have four POP accounts I pull from. I currently have one kio_pop3 process running.

It says VmSize 45,656 and VmRss 8,476. It is taking 0% of system and user resources.

Is this good or bad?

KMail 1.9.6, KDE 3.5.7 release 74.1. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 01 September 2007 22:10:44 Tero Pesonen wrote:

Relating to the topic of recent openSUSE KMail packages and stability issues, now discussed on the list.

I've been wondering which of these openSUSE KDE packages are actually stable. There's this stable(?) "KDE3" repository alongside the Community, Backport, KDE4 etc.

That depends what you mean by stable. The most stable, in terms of predictable changes happening to the packages, are the ones in 10.2. The most stable at the software level are generally the latest and greatest from the build service, which will have more bugfixes than the 10.2 packages, but may have regressions.

But the packages there are being updated almost weekly. I have no idea if I should or should not update to the latest packages, which seem to be something in between 3.5.7 and 3.5.8

That sounds to me like you're interested in package stability. If it ain't broken, don't fix it, so stay with the 10.2 packages, then upgrade to 10.3 when it comes out. Critical bugs in 10.2 will of course be fixed via online update.

How can one tell when these packages are "stable?" Or are they ever. It seems, according to the changelogs of the RPM's, that they are constantly changing. The new packages seem to fix something that went broken in the last version, while adding something new which, one can only wonder, could prove to be the next thing broken and so forth.

The KDE:KDE packages from the buildservice are relatively stable since KDE 3.5 is frozen. They are the last KDE 3 packages from the kde.org repository, but track the SVN by means of a diff between the released tarball and the repository. KDE 3 forms an exception. In this case, we're currently in the middle of switching from the KDE main branch tarballs to the Enterprise Branch. This more stable, more actively maintained branch of kdepim created for enterprise use means that for future openSUSE releases using KDE 3, the kdepim3 that we use will benefit from more scrutiny and QA by a group of companies and distros with business interests in KDE PIM. However, the process of switching the suse customisations to the sources from main branch to enterprise for 10.3 has created a few hiccups and these are visible to you in the buildservice as the 10.3 work in progress gets synced out to the build service.

Mine are "release 43.1" and I've been happy with them, (unlike the version before them), and have not dared to upgrade anything KDE related after I upgraded to these, as I'm not sure if the newer packages would be as stable as these are. On the other hand, I have no idea what I would gain from the newer packages either.

The question therefore is: When 3.5.8 will be released, how can I tell which will be the best 3.5.8 release to upgrade to? Are the first packages that will become available the closest to the "vanilla" 3.5.8 provided by kde dot org, and if so, should I grab them... or will they contain SUSE-specific features that may or may not cause issues that would get addressed in future 3.5.8 releases under KDE3/ repository?

The SUSE packages always contain customisations consisting of a) bugfixes or improvements that for reasons of translation, feature freeze or impact couldn't be applied directly to the central KDE repository at the time we packaged and b) SUSE specific alterations that adapt the packages to the SUSE infrastructure the packages are designed to run on. a) type changes tend to migrate upstream over time. b) type changes don't. The set of customisations/patches applied are carried over between KDE point releases. Before a point release we try to upstream as many patches as possible, but some don't make it for a variety of reasons. Whether vanilla kde dot org tarballs or SUSE packages are better for you is subjective. We at SUSE work very hard to make what we feel are worthwhile improvements to the base packages from kde.org that we feel increase the value of the software to the user. You may disagree about that if you hold the belief that vanilla packages are always of high quality and distro customisations tend to mess them up. One example of how I've added to the kdepim packages is by improving the offline mode implementation so that on going offline, KMail terminates any running jobs. So if you suspend the computer, then restart, KMail won't complain a few minutes after restarting that it could not contact your IMAP server since the IMAP process still thought it was talking to the server via the network connection you had before suspending. This was too late for KDE 3.5's freeze so probably won't go upstream except to KDE 4. I'll try and formulate all this more generally and put it on the opensuse wiki somewwhere.

Another question: Are the changes between these releases explained somewhere?

rpm -q kdepim3 --changelog is actually a better guide to what differs between than the packages' release number. http://websvn.kde.org/branches/kdepim/enterprise/kdepim/NewsLog.txt?view=mar... explains in detail the developments in enterprise branch. HTH Will -- Desktop Engineer KDE Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

sml@lordsargon.com wrote:

On Saturday, 1 September 2007, Sunny wrote:

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I just found out that it never closes the open pop3 connections, and leaves thousands of kio_pop3 processes running, even if you close the program.

Yep, noticed that as well. Glad to know that others are seeing it as well.

...

Manual killall kio_pop3 is needed to cleanup.

Yep - that is what I am doing.

Thanks to all.

Now to submit a bug report if one isn't already opened....

I'm getting the same on 10.0 after an update last night, and it's making kmail unusable. I couldn't find a bug report. Has one been opened? John -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org