Hi! The FTP version of SuSE 9.2 seems to be out. I have system with 9.1 with supplementary updates from SuSE (KDE and Misc). I'm trying to update this to 9.2 using the Yast System Update. I thought it would go like: add the FTP source with Yast Change Source of Installation and then go to System Update. But no. Different things happen: Sometimes I get only Media error? to Update Options. Maybe this means that the FTP-server is not accepting my connections. I have tried to counter this with setting a close by mirror as one source and then the ftp.suse.com. But hasn't helped. If I left the old installation sources (9.1 and supplementary) I didn't get the error, but I got undate to 9.2 instead. Do I really need to leave the old sources there? Or was my luck with the FTP-servers (countless times...) just so bad? Actually seems that it's going to update to the latest (lowest) entry in the sources (i.e. 9.2 has to be listed last in the sources. If I have older one there, it will say Update to 9.1 for example.) After I got the System Update to start the update, it tells me that there are 614 packages that requires changes and it requires manual intervention (I have not really installed anything outside the SuSE packages, only KCheckMail...). Ok, then I was presented with a couple of package conflicts... not too bad, except that the choices were very bad (should I not update hwinfo or should I remove sax2 saxtools? Doesn't sound like I'd like to remove sax2 or saxtools... but of course later on I discovered that they are now sax2-gui and sax2-tools! Thank's for not telling me this at this point!). So, I select cancel and go through all the packages I want and pressing check dependencies in turn. No conflicts. Now, I might be a noobie with linux, but not with computers... so I export the selection list. Then I press Accept. After that I'm till shown a large number of packages that have been added automatically even though I did not have problems according to the detect dependencies. What's this? After that I'm back at the update system dialog, where as everything else is OK, I select Next. Expecting installation to begin... but only thing that happens is that the dialog is closed. Then nothing. So I try again. Import the selection done in last step. Check dependencies. Now there are conflicts again! Why? Before I saved the list, I checked it and it did not have conflicts. Can anybody tell me what's happening here? After solving those again, the same thing happens... i.e. nothing. No installation of update. I looked through the manuals of SuSE, but didn't find anything about the system update function. I also Googled the web and this list to find anything, but no. So either nobody uses that function or it works perfectly for everybody else. What am I doing wrong? (I tried to list all the applets and messages here, so if anybody else has the same problem, they should be able to find this... provided of course, that somebody can help me...?) -- HG
Hugo wrote:
I'm trying to update this to 9.2 using the Yast System Update. I thought it would go like: add the FTP source with Yast Change Source of Installation and then go to System Update. But no. Different things happen:
Suggestion - download the whole FTP-version (use wget), then run the update process with the distro NFS mounted. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/freetrial - sign up for your free 30-day trial now!
** Reply to message from Per Jessen <per@computer.org> on Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:26:10 +0100
Suggestion - download the whole FTP-version (use wget), then run the update process with the distro NFS mounted.
I have downloaded the whole distro, except the DVD iso and the sources, to a separate partition. How do I mount it as NFS? Clue: I know nothing about NFS. Ed Harrison SuSE 9.1, Kernel 2.6.9-vanilla PolarBar Mailer 1.25a
** Reply to message from Per Jessen <per@computer.org> on Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:26:10 +0100
Suggestion - download the whole FTP-version (use wget), then run the update process with the distro NFS mounted.
/Per Jessen, Zürich
Another comment. I burned the boot.iso and when it asked for the installation source, I pointed it to / of the partition containing the 9.2 distro. Everything went normally, starting YaST, etc. When I clicked "Accept", I got an error stating that the target, /dev/hda5, could not be mounted. I went to a console and did a df, only to find that all partitions in /dev/hda5/etc/fstab had already been mounted. So, I guess that it follows that it could not be mounted because it already had been (at /mnt in the installation). Will this still be a problem with an NFS mount? Ed Harrison SuSE 9.1, Kernel 2.6.9-vanilla PolarBar Mailer 1.25a
The Sunday 2005-01-16 at 09:01 -0500, Ed Harrison wrote:
Everything went normally, starting YaST, etc. When I clicked "Accept", I got an error stating that the target, /dev/hda5, could not be mounted. I went to a console and did a df, only to find that all partitions in /dev/hda5/etc/fstab had already been mounted. So, I guess that it follows that it could not be mounted because it already had been (at /mnt in the installation).
Old error, and difficult to overcome, if possible at all. It may work if the source directory is in another physical disk, I did that once (not 9.2).
Will this still be a problem with an NFS mount?
No, but you need another computer on the network serving NFS or FTP. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Hi! On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:26:10 +0100, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Hugo wrote:
I'm trying to update this to 9.2 using the Yast System Update. I thought it would go like: add the FTP source with Yast Change Source of Installation and then go to System Update. But no. Different things happen:
Suggestion - download the whole FTP-version (use wget), then run the update process with the distro NFS mounted.
No room (old computer, small HD). I was able to get it (by juggling the FTP installation sources on and off and changing their order) to start update. But it didn't go as planned. For 4 hours it did download a lot of stuff and install it. After that I rebooted and was greeted with the new Novel splash. But after that... no X! Only command line :-( Now I'm stuck there. I even tried to update (from text yast) the system to minimum 9.2 system with KDE. Again some installation happened. But still, the X doesn't start. I am that much Linux newbie that only thing left for me is to download the ISO for the CD1 at another computer and then do a clean installation of that. It was never a good option to try to update windows versions... I guess I should have known this. (Although, with SuSE one has to update always as the older versions are not supported - one point where MS is still ahead.) I'll try to get the CD some time next week. Before that I'm stuck with Win2K (dual boot). -- HG
** Reply to message from Hugo <hg.list@gmail.com> on Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:54:42 +0200
No room (old computer, small HD). I was able to get it (by juggling the FTP installation sources on and off and changing their order) to start update. But it didn't go as planned. For 4 hours it did download a lot of stuff and install it. After that I rebooted and was greeted with the new Novel splash. But after that... no X! Only command line :-( Now I'm stuck there. I even tried to update (from text yast) the system to minimum 9.2 system with KDE. Again some installation happened. But still, the X doesn't start.
I am that much Linux newbie that only thing left for me is to download the ISO for the CD1 at another computer and then do a clean installation of that. It was never a good option to try to update windows versions... I guess I should have known this. (Although, with SuSE one has to update always as the older versions are not supported - one point where MS is still ahead.) I'll try to get the CD some time next week. Before that I'm stuck with Win2K (dual boot).
When you get the command prompt, login as root. Try "init 5", and X will start and go to either kdm or gdm, whichever one you have set up. CTL-ALT-F1 should bring you back to the same console to look for error messages. I X did indeed start and the graphical login screen appeared, edit /etc/inittab. Change line 20 from "id:3:initdefault:" to "id:5:initdefault:" This sets the default runlevel to 5--the graphical one. Or, the next boot, at the command line, type WINDOWMANAGER=kde startx, and kde should start. Otherwise, if X still will not start, do as you originally proposed. Good luck. Ed Harrison SuSE 9.1, Kernel 2.6.9-vanilla PolarBar Mailer 1.25a
Hi! On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 14:38:55 -0500, Ed Harrison <eharrison@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
** Reply to message from Hugo <hg.list@gmail.com> on Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:54:42 +0200
I am that much Linux newbie that only thing left for me is to download the ISO for the CD1 at another computer and then do a clean installation of that. It was never a good option to try to update
When you get the command prompt, login as root.
Try "init 5", and X will start and go to either kdm or gdm, whichever one you have set up.
Thanks! But I never got that far. I started Yast2 from the comman line. After a little poking around the installation sources and such (actually I tried to do the update many times here... it always seemed like it had not happened) I remembered SaX! Tried to activate it, but then I got message saying that I still am lacking the Xorg stuff and off it went to install them. Boot and X was up again. :-) But the system was not updated apparently - at least it still said 9.1 everywhere. I then burned the mini image on CD. Booted with that. Started installation and entered update (when it asked). I again selected the Basic setup with KDE, but didn't touch the selections otherwise. Again there was more than 600 packages affected and the size of the download was more than 2Gb. After that, most things seemed OK. The command prompt login says 9.2 but the graphical login still says 9.1. But I think the update somewhat worked this time. Looking at YOU is a bit confusing as it has lot's of red updates there with the same version number as the installed ones. They are not selected automatically though. BTW, the automatic update doesn't seem to work... most of my machines (at home and work) tell me that they are unable to check for the updates... is this the new Novell SuSE? So I guess one should not try to update the system from the GUI of Yast2 - even though it seems possible - but to burn the first CD and boot from there. -- HG
The Sunday 2005-01-16 at 13:57 +0200, Hugo wrote:
The FTP version of SuSE 9.2 seems to be out. I have system with 9.1 with supplementary updates from SuSE (KDE and Misc).
I'm trying to update this to 9.2 using the Yast System Update. I thought it would go like: add the FTP source with Yast Change Source of Installation and then go to System Update. But no. Different things happen:
I understand (I don't have the bandwidth myself) that you need to download a small boot ISO image, burn it to a CD, and then install/update with ftp as source. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I understand (I don't have the bandwidth myself) that you need to download a small boot ISO image, burn it to a CD, and then install/update with ftp as source.
Or do what I did: This is what I downloaded: ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/i386/9.2/boot/loader/initrd ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/i386/9.2/boot/loader/linux I renamed them and placed them in an existing SuSE 9.1 Linux /boot: initrd-suse9.2-install-rd linux-suse9.2-install-kernel Then I added to /boot/grub/menu.lst: title Install SuSE 9.2 kernel (hd0,4)/linux-suse9.2-install-kernel ramdisk_size=65536 splash=silent showopts initrd (hd0,4)/initrd-suse9.2-install-rd That's all I had to do before actually beginning installation, which I began with an otherwise normal boot, but by selecting the installation option instead of a normal boot. Once begun, it was an otherwise totally normal FTP install as described on http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/9052 and elsewhere. I did mine on Monday, when all the servers were grossly overloaded from the fresh release. It took really long, but shouldn't be so bad by now, and much quicker than downloading a dvd iso. -- "The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians 1:18 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
The Monday 2005-01-17 at 20:23 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I understand (I don't have the bandwidth myself) that you need to download a small boot ISO image, burn it to a CD, and then install/update with ftp as source.
Or do what I did:
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overloaded from the fresh release. It took really long, but shouldn't be so bad by now, and much quicker than downloading a dvd iso.
The ISO I mentioned should be just around 20 megabytes or so. It is the rescue image, I suppose. -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson
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