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Peter Czanik wrote:

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Hello,

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Whereis Thunderbird for Suse10 ?

On the DVD and the ftp server, but not included on the CD version of SuSE 10. I hope, it will be included on the CDs in the next version... Bye, Peter

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It so damn frustrating to go to opensuse website and try to find the ftp download site, where is it.

http://www.opensuse.org/Mirrors_Released_Version Grab-a-Mirror ;)

Jim

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On 2005-12-03 at 02:27:57 +0100, Reinhard Gimbel wrote (shortened):

Again: Thunderbird-1.0.6 is on the distribution media. You need not to look for it on a ftp site necessarily.

Change into [YaST]-[Software]-[Install and Delete Software] and select filter [Package Groups] and change into [Productivity]-[Network]-[eMail]-[Clients]. You will find "MozillaThunderbird"

Oh, by the way: There is a find-function which could be pretty much helpful to find packages available. Ever tried to use that ?

If you are looking for Thunderbird 1.5 you might need to wait a day or two.

Not quite correct. Thunderbird 1.5 has a targetted release in January 2006. The current one is 1.5rc1 which is in factory already. Regards, Wolfgang Rosenauer -- SUSE - A Novell business -o) Tel: +49-(0)911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstr. 5 /\\ Fax: +49-(0)911-740 53 489 90409 Nuernberg, Germany _\_v

I really believe that the CD version must have Thunderbird. I vote for it !

On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 07:14:00PM +0100, Ben wrote:

Op zondag 4 december 2005 18:40, schreef Alexey Eremenko:

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I really believe that the CD version must have Thunderbird. I vote for it !

I agree with this

Open a bugreport, assign best to category "Selections" or so. Ciao, Marcus

Am Montag, 5. Dezember 2005 10:18 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:

The question is: What can we take down from the distro instead? I don't want to go to another CD...

Gnome. ;-> SCNR, Jens

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The question is: What can we take down from the distro instead? I don't want to go to another CD...

some remarks:

* cd's are going to be less and less necessary, it's nowaday nearly impossible to find a (new) cdreader/writer, dvd is going to be the standard

* cd's for OSS version are there only for all the ones that haven't a dvd reader or/and can't dowload a dvd and don't have a permanent link. Debian is 10 cd's, why not SUSE?

* so why not an other cd? the real problem is what must go on one cd and what on an other.

it could be nice to have cd's for console (server) apps, one for kde and another for gnome, but I wonder if this is really possible. the goal is to download only the necessary ones...

Yes, this is an idea I've been toying with myself. Have a development CD etc. The problem is that this needs some extra work to support it properly, I'll have to think of a technical solution so that it's easy to do this... On the other hand, I prefer to not have 10 CDs for each alpha out there, this would be something for the final product only. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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On the other hand, I prefer to not have 10 CDs for each alpha out there, this would be something for the final product only.

I think really that a way to build specialized cd's from the whole SUSE OSS set should be nice, may be with jigdo?

jigdo would just as a tool to save some space. You need to prepare a "real" ISO before you can create a jigdo template. Creating those ISO (or the package layout) takes some time and needs testing, etc... Once we have a working layout for those specialized CDs, it's just a matter of running some scripts to create the jigdo templates that take the RPMs out of the ftp tree and compile the ISOs. Regards Christoph

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Marcus Meissner writes:

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On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 07:14:00PM +0100, Ben wrote:

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Op zondag 4 december 2005 18:40, schreef Alexey Eremenko:

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I really believe that the CD version must have Thunderbird. I vote for it ! I agree with this Open a bugreport, assign best to category "Selections" or so.

The question is: What can we take down from the distro instead? I don't want to go to another CD...

To avoid having to add another CD can a question be posed during the post install setup to add a YaST repository mirror for these additional selections? This way any new SUSE users will have access to additional packages without becoming frustrated as to where additional packages can be downloaded from. It will be automatically setup for them. Or have smart setup automatically during install.

Basically, this would be a great benefit for end users, even more so if you consider adding some community repositories (such as packman, mine (suser-guru), and a few others). We (community packagers) started to discuss this with the SUSE Linux project/product management but the discussion showed a few issues, mainly being the fact that some repositories provide software that is not legally distributable in any country (most specifically... not in the US), such as mad, lame, MPlayer, etc... The Novell legal dept was to check that but we didn't have any feedback yet, which is also my own fault as I didn't ask Adrian about the progress of that task (and god knows Adrian and AJ have gazillions of things to do). Now, back to Thunderbird... Also consider that if you add a package to maintain, it also includes support, security fixes, QA cycles, etc... It's not just being on the installation media, it's also the full QA cycle packages undergo when being part of the core distribution. Personally, I'd vote +1 because Thunderbird is one of the major MUAs out there, most probably used as much as KMail or Evolution... but also a pain to package and maintain (similar to Firefox, I guess ;)). cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ _\_v FOSDEM 2006 -- 25+26 February 2006 in Brussels -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDlDnqr3NMWliFcXcRAsetAJ4wkYF3rukOTAuNITtMcQDYz+LyhQCeLvdE mMYo/pvWkJmfBO5ik9QiP6o= =o1D2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Pascal Bleser writes:

Ken Schneider wrote:

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On Mon, 2005-12-05 at 10:18 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Marcus Meissner writes:

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On Sun, Dec 04, 2005 at 07:14:00PM +0100, Ben wrote:

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Op zondag 4 december 2005 18:40, schreef Alexey Eremenko:

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I really believe that the CD version must have Thunderbird. I vote for it ! I agree with this Open a bugreport, assign best to category "Selections" or so.

The question is: What can we take down from the distro instead? I don't want to go to another CD...

To avoid having to add another CD can a question be posed during the post install setup to add a YaST repository mirror for these additional selections? This way any new SUSE users will have access to additional packages without becoming frustrated as to where additional packages can be downloaded from. It will be automatically setup for them. Or have smart setup automatically during install.

Basically, this would be a great benefit for end users, even more so if you consider adding some community repositories (such as packman, mine (suser-guru), and a few others).

We (community packagers) started to discuss this with the SUSE Linux project/product management but the discussion showed a few issues, mainly being the fact that some repositories provide software that is not legally distributable in any country (most specifically... not in the US), such as mad, lame, MPlayer, etc...

The Novell legal dept was to check that but we didn't have any feedback yet, which is also my own fault as I didn't ask Adrian about the progress of that task (and god knows Adrian and AJ have gazillions of things to do).

I still like to see this, Adrian is on vacation right now, I'll have to check with him the status of this.

Now, back to Thunderbird... Also consider that if you add a package to maintain, it also includes support, security fixes, QA cycles, etc... It's not just being on the installation media, it's also the full QA cycle packages undergo when being part of the core distribution.

Thunderbird is on the distro already, so this is taken care of.

Personally, I'd vote +1 because Thunderbird is one of the major MUAs out there, most probably used as much as KMail or Evolution... but also a pain to package and maintain (similar to Firefox, I guess ;)).

Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Another good idea that I remember from SUSE 9.1 Personal days, is that the OS generally *can* reside in a single CD. We should use that single CD for alpha tests, + mirrors for apps, and use the 10 CDs for final version only. Not the "net" install CD, but a fully functional OS like SUSE Personal was. This way much of the common stuff will get installed anyways, w/o waiting looong hours for minimal OS install. (for me minimal means KDE+console basesystem). This is better than the "net" approach because very often "alpha" versions got installed several times on several machines. With net-CD approach I would spend 2-hours for each setup (and re-setup), effectively killing the alpha-testing stage. While the single CD, like SUSE personal is enough to find many of the problems of the future OS, and get it installed in 20-30 minutes per PC. Perhaps, we will *need* to publish the full 10CD set for Release Candidates to test the bundle fully, along with software. As for the retailed version, it's more-or-less good, but I don't like that it doesn't ship with source code. Also really, if Debian takes 14 CDs, why we should take less ? (for SUSE Professional) But it's a good idea to revive the old tradition of the 1CD install for SUSE Personal. Both for testing and new customers.