re[2]: [SLE] Re: Hardware shopping, How about AMD if make it as a small server?
I just googled on this and the first quote I found: "On Intel based systems this is not always the end result if you are using a decent heatsink but on an AMD system CPU fan failure is almost always fatal." My experience is that it is the closer to catastrophic. i.e. you lose several parts, not just the cpu. One surprise to me is that this quote came from a MB review where the MB could detect a fan failure and shutdown the machine prior to any damage occuring. Maybe that would provide the protection that AMD does not. Greg Freemyer
Hmmmmm weird, I have never had a fan fail on me on an amd cpu like that an
i run them in all my workstations here at work, 25+. I find them very stable an fast, even in a dusty environment like our plant offices are.
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In my experience the highspeed AMD chips run fine until that $10 cpu fan dies.
Then you get to replace the CPU, the motherboard, the RAM, and maybe one or two other things.
We bought several 2+ GHz AMD based machines a year ago. Three of them had fan failures and the resulting damage before we gave up on AMD.
We now use/buy only Intel. Intel chips handle a fan failure much more cleanly.
Greg Freemyer
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I too had "HAD" an AMD computer. The went and not long after so did the ram, cpu and MB. I will never go back to AMD. Ken On Fri, 2003-02-07 at 16:25, Greg Freemyer wrote:
I just googled on this and the first quote I found:
"On Intel based systems this is not always the end result if you are using a decent heatsink but on an AMD system CPU fan failure is almost always fatal."
My experience is that it is the closer to catastrophic. i.e. you lose several parts, not just the cpu.
One surprise to me is that this quote came from a MB review where the MB could detect a fan failure and shutdown the machine prior to any damage occuring.
Maybe that would provide the protection that AMD does not.
Greg Freemyer
Hmmmmm weird, I have never had a fan fail on me on an amd cpu like that an
i run them in all my workstations here at work, 25+. I find them very stable an fast, even in a dusty environment like our plant offices are.
jack malone network admin horizonindustries
In my experience the highspeed AMD chips run fine until that $10 cpu fan dies.
Then you get to replace the CPU, the motherboard, the RAM, and maybe one or two other things.
We bought several 2+ GHz AMD based machines a year ago. Three of them had fan failures and the resulting damage before we gave up on AMD.
We now use/buy only Intel. Intel chips handle a fan failure much more cleanly.
Greg Freemyer
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On 02/08/2003 05:31 AM, Ken Schneider wrote:
I too had "HAD" an AMD computer. The went and not long after so did the ram, cpu and MB. I will never go back to AMD.
I had/have an AMD based server, and I would say it depends on more factors than just the CPU. I had an older Slot A AMD that both fans quit (SuSE 6.4, no sensors then). I didn't know it until the server could no longer connect to the internet (it was still working, samba, sendmail, pop3, etc., no need to reboot :-) ). After rebooting it, though, it couldn't boot, that is when I discovered the CPU fans had quit. I was able to fix it later (MSI MB) by replacing the capacitors surrounding the CPU (they had warped and failed), so the caps were the ones to give, but until now (after repairing) the CPU AND mb are still in use (this one is not the server any more). I do think the Slot A processors were better in the heat dept. though. My experience has been better with AMD than Intel, but we each have our choice. ;-) -- Joe Morris New Tribes Mission Email Address: Joe_Morris@ntm.org Web Address: http://www.mydestiny.net/~joe_morris Registered Linux user 231871 God said, I AM that I AM. I say, by the grace of God, I am what I am.
Hi, http://64.55.181.130/news/geeknews/2003Feb/gee20030207018535.htm Just revealed that there is an epidemic of leaky capacitors. Read it and weep; pray your MB manafacturer will admit it. PeterB On Friday 07 February 2003 07:28 pm, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
On 02/08/2003 05:31 AM, Ken Schneider wrote:
I too had "HAD" an AMD computer. The went and not long after so did the ram, cpu and MB. I will never go back to AMD.
I had/have an AMD based server, and I would say it depends on more factors than just the CPU. I had an older Slot A AMD that both fans quit (SuSE 6.4, no sensors then). I didn't know it until the server could no longer connect to the internet (it was still working, samba, sendmail, pop3, etc., no need to reboot :-) ). After rebooting it, though, it couldn't boot, that is when I discovered the CPU fans had quit. I was able to fix it later (MSI MB) by replacing the capacitors surrounding the CPU (they had warped and failed), so the caps were the ones to give, but until now (after repairing) the CPU AND mb are still in use (this one is not the server any more). I do think the Slot A processors were better in the heat dept. though. My experience has been better with AMD than Intel, but we each have our choice. ;-)
-- -- Proud to be a SuSE Linux User since 5.2 --
Just revealed that there is an epidemic of leaky capacitors.
This is very old news to Abit owners. Take a look at the Abit Usenet group - it has been one of the hottest topics there for at least a year. For those that end up with a dead board and can't fix it yourself, there is one person that I know of that specializes in fixing these. I don't know him, nor have I had anything repaired by him, but his reputation seems good based on the Abit group. Link follows. http://home.att.net/~garyheadlee/index.html -- John LeMay KC2KTH Senior Enterprise Consultant NJMC | http://www.njmc.com | Phone 732-557-4848 Specializing in Microsoft and Unix based solutions
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