I have found myself visiting the website and thinking about Fedora these past few weeks. When I think about it I can't help but come back to the Microsoft deal. Does anyone else feel this way? Should I be worried or concerned? Keep in mind I am not a Linux expert or software developer. I started with Red Hat 8 and switched to SUSE 8.2 when Red Had announced the Fedora Project. I just don't think I want to be involved with an organization that has had dealings with Microsoft the way Novell just has. I'm I wrong to think this or be thinking about Fedora?
Thanks, Aaron
Why have I been thinking about Fedora??
Dunno. But the reason you are posting that in here is to troll and to get some attention for your little lack-of-life
Microsoft deal. Does anyone else feel this way?
No
has. I'm I wrong to think this or be thinking about Fedora?
Whatever makes your little heart feel warmer
Marcio --- druid
On Nov 28, 2006, at 7:25 PM, Druid wrote:
Why have I been thinking about Fedora??
Dunno. But the reason you are posting that in here is to troll and to get some attention for your little lack-of-life
Microsoft deal. Does anyone else feel this way?
No
has. I'm I wrong to think this or be thinking about Fedora?
Whatever makes your little heart feel warmer
Maybe this person actually wanted to solicit the opinions of his peers? And maybe acting like an ass warms .. oh yeah .. you have no heart by answering an email this. ***hole.
Maybe this person actually wanted to solicit the opinions of his peers? And maybe acting like an ass warms .. oh yeah .. you have no heart by answering an email this. ***hole.
Whatever makes your little heart feel warmer
Marcio --- druid
On Nov 28, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Druid wrote:
Maybe this person actually wanted to solicit the opinions of his peers? And maybe acting like an ass warms .. oh yeah .. you have no heart by answering an email this. ***hole.
Whatever makes your little heart feel warmer
OK. Now I'm just totally confused. Why would my "little heart" feel warmer by cutting someone some slack? Is this some silly little colloquialism? No wonder I barely pay attention to this list anymore .. it's got wonderful people like you subscribed. I do agree with the opinion expressed on the list the last few weeks that I wish this list could go back to being what it was circa 1998 .. at least the jerks were drummed out with a quickeness then.
- ben
good to see the amusing ability of the list to go offtopic still in great shape heh
On 11/29/06, Benjamin Rosenberg red.kryptonite@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 28, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Druid wrote:
Maybe this person actually wanted to solicit the opinions of his peers? And maybe acting like an ass warms .. oh yeah .. you have no heart by answering an email this. ***hole.
Whatever makes your little heart feel warmer
OK. Now I'm just totally confused. Why would my "little heart" feel warmer by cutting someone some slack? Is this some silly little colloquialism? No wonder I barely pay attention to this list anymore .. it's got wonderful people like you subscribed. I do agree with the opinion expressed on the list the last few weeks that I wish this list could go back to being what it was circa 1998 .. at least the jerks were drummed out with a quickeness then.
- ben
-- Envy, n: Wishing you'd been born with an unfair advantage instead of having to try and acquire one.
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On 2006-11-28 20:00, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
On Nov 28, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Druid wrote:
Maybe this person actually wanted to solicit the opinions of his peers? And maybe acting like an ass warms .. oh yeah .. you have no heart by answering an email this. ***hole.
Whatever makes your little heart feel warmer
OK. Now I'm just totally confused. Why would my "little heart" feel warmer by cutting someone some slack?
Because there are no fewer than 8 separate threads on this crap since the deal was announced. Anyone who is *not* trolling can easily read those, and get all the feedback to answer his questions.
Anyone asks a technical question that was answered sometime last year, and he gets dumped on from all sides about how he didn't research the matter enough -- someone posts yet another piece of troll-spam, and we are expected to sit idly by and give him some *encouragement*???
On Nov 28, 2006, at 8:33 PM, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-28 20:00, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
On Nov 28, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Druid wrote:
Maybe this person actually wanted to solicit the opinions of his peers? And maybe acting like an ass warms .. oh yeah .. you have no heart by answering an email this. ***hole.
Whatever makes your little heart feel warmer
OK. Now I'm just totally confused. Why would my "little heart" feel warmer by cutting someone some slack?
Because there are no fewer than 8 separate threads on this crap since the deal was announced. Anyone who is *not* trolling can easily read those, and get all the feedback to answer his questions.
Anyone asks a technical question that was answered sometime last year, and he gets dumped on from all sides about how he didn't research the matter enough -- someone posts yet another piece of troll-spam, and we are expected to sit idly by and give him some *encouragement*???
In that case. I wholeheartedly agree! Off with his head! That bastard! He didn't GTMF before asking his question! Good thing I've got the last five years of the list on my Mac .. I can just shake the magic Spotlight and get told to go screw myself! w00p! Right ON! *shakes head* Oh well .. guess thread 9 is the death sentence on the list now. Man, I wish I would have known that. I wouldn't have helped all those people with their ppp and sendmail questions for so many years! What a relief! Maybe we can have another 200 email thread about how to unsubscribe? Wouldn't that be fun! Maybe we can become like the Solaris lists circa 1996 and just answer everything with RTFM! That just warms my little heart to death!
In any event .. enough vitriol for one night.
On 2006-11-28 20:47, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
*shakes head*
Ahh, so that is it.. I was wondering what that rattling sound was.
How many times have *you* answered someone who's posted one of these things -- not many that I recall. However, when it comes to taking the head off someone who is tired of seeing it all, over and over again...
On Tuesday November 28 2006 10:03 pm, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-28 20:47, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
*shakes head*
Ahh, so that is it.. I was wondering what that rattling sound was.
How many times have *you* answered someone who's posted one of these things -- not many that I recall. However, when it comes to taking the head off someone who is tired of seeing it all, over and over again...
YOU have no idea how many people Ben has helped! You've not been around SUSE anywhere near as long nor assisted the number of users Ben has, so don't even attempt to go there!
Fred
On 2006-11-29 00:21, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Tuesday November 28 2006 10:03 pm, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-28 20:47, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
*shakes head*
Ahh, so that is it.. I was wondering what that rattling sound was.
How many times have *you* answered someone who's posted one of these things -- not many that I recall. However, when it comes to taking the head off someone who is tired of seeing it all, over and over again...
YOU have no idea how many people Ben has helped! You've not been around SUSE anywhere near as long nor assisted the number of users Ben has, so don't even attempt to go there!
And *you* know nothing more about me than that I have been with this mailing list for just over two years, so kindly do not presume to know anything more than that.
On Wednesday November 29 2006 1:42 am, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-29 00:21, Fred A. Miller wrote:
On Tuesday November 28 2006 10:03 pm, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2006-11-28 20:47, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
*shakes head*
Ahh, so that is it.. I was wondering what that rattling sound was.
How many times have *you* answered someone who's posted one of these things -- not many that I recall. However, when it comes to taking the head off someone who is tired of seeing it all, over and over again...
YOU have no idea how many people Ben has helped! You've not been around SUSE anywhere near as long nor assisted the number of users Ben has, so don't even attempt to go there!
And *you* know nothing more about me than that I have been with this mailing list for just over two years, so kindly do not presume to know anything more than that.
With your attitude, I'll assume what is obvious, Bubba!
Fred
On 2006-12-06 20:02, Fred A. Miller wrote:
With your attitude, I'll assume what is obvious, Bubba!
Still stirring the pot, are you, Fred? Are you going to try to suggest that the latest musings from Groklaw are further proof of a great Novell/M$ conspiracy to destroy the free world?
On Tuesday 28 November 2006 21:03, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
<snip yada, yada, yada, whine, rant, rave>
Did you think maybe the OP's still not good with linux and is confused enough by all the: 'I read all the stuff about the deal and *I* know better than anyone else about it because *I* understand it better than anyone else, so you best listen to what I say about it or just unsubscribe, you lamers' types, and just wanted some more (and simpler) perspectives, as many *DIFFERENT* perspectives as possible? No? Didn't think so.
On 2006-11-29 00:41, JB wrote:
On Tuesday 28 November 2006 21:03, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
<snip yada, yada, yada, whine, rant, rave>
Did you think
Yes, did you?
Of course, for someone whose contributions seem limited to posting this:
"<shrug> I'll just sit back and watch as you gullibles take it from behind and the Linux community as a whole is ripped to shreds one distro at a time by M$. My 'ears' may be covered, but your eyes are blindered it seems."
and telling people to STFU, it is hardly surprising that you want to see more trolling.
On Tuesday 28 November 2006 20:47, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
RTFM! That just warms my little heart to death!
Everyone on this list better start Reading The Fedora Manual.... "Oh Suse-anna oh don't you cry for me... cause I'm going to Alabama with Fedora on my knee!
:P
Maybe this person actually wanted to solicit the opinions of his peers? And maybe acting like an ass warms .. oh yeah .. you have no heart by answering an email this. ***hole.
Whatever makes your little heart feel warmer
People intending a switch should just ST... keep quiet and silently do the switch.
-`J'
On Tuesday 28 November 2006 19:25, Druid wrote:
Why have I been thinking about Fedora??
Dunno. But the reason you are posting that in here is to troll and to get some attention for your little lack-of-life
His question(s) seemed legit, so STFU, druid. There, that should get a few folks' panties in a wad.
JB a écrit :
On Tuesday 28 November 2006 19:25, Druid wrote:
Why have I been thinking about Fedora??
Dunno. But the reason you are posting that in here is to troll and to get some attention for your little lack-of-life
His question(s) seemed legit, so STFU, druid. There, that should get a few folks' panties in a wad.
weel... if you think a little, most people on a suse list do prefere suse to fedora.
so the only answer I see is: "you used suse for years, install fedora and see if you like it. If not, come back..."
and let Novell and Microsoft try to make Vista a good Guess for Xen (what seems to be the main Novell goal)
jdd
jdd a écrit :
to make Vista a good Guess for Xen
..........Guest
jdd
to make Vista a good Guess for Xen
..........Guest
I once read it's already been done [for some Windows before Vista] but could not be published because of the assed MS EULA. So, Vista for Xen will most likely not happen ANYTIME soon.
-`J'
Jan Engelhardt a écrit :
to make Vista a good Guess for Xen
..........Guest
I once read it's already been done [for some Windows before Vista] but could not be published because of the assed MS EULA. So, Vista for Xen will most likely not happen ANYTIME soon.
this is not my own opinion, but was said by a Novell employee during the Novell open day in Toulouse recently.
for now VMware is necessary on non VT computers to run Windows, it should not be the case if the microsoft/novell cooperation gives what it's meaned for
jdd
His question(s) seemed legit, so STFU, druid. There, that should get a few folks' panties in a wad.
Last time I checked you werent in my list of people that decides wehats legit or not, so go back to your seat, ok
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 06:49, Druid wrote:
His question(s) seemed legit, so STFU, druid. There, that should get a few folks' panties in a wad.
Last time I checked you werent in my list of people that decides wehats legit or not, so go back to your seat, ok
And your opinion is just that, an opinion, to be ignored or not depending an each individuals mood. So, you can take a seat too.
JB wrote:
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 06:49, Druid wrote:
His question(s) seemed legit, so STFU, druid. There, that should get a few folks' panties in a wad.
Last time I checked you werent in my list of people that decides wehats legit or not, so go back to your seat, ok
And your opinion is just that, an opinion, to be ignored or not depending an each individuals mood. So, you can take a seat too.
Lets try to keep this list technical. Take this to *opensuse-project@opensuse.org *or whatever the current OT list is.
Too many people with opinions about this deal and no one knows what they are talking about (myself included). You all wanted SUSE to be a real contender in the enterprise with Windows and Solaris -- well, now it is. This is a very big leap for Linux and a huge leap for SUSE into the enterprise.
* Darko Gavrilovic darko.gavrilovic@utoronto.ca [11-29-06 20:00]:
Lets try to keep this list technical. Take this to *opensuse-project@opensuse.org *or whatever the current OT list is.
try *suse-ot.suse.com*
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 19:07, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
- Darko Gavrilovic darko.gavrilovic@utoronto.ca [11-29-06 20:00]:
Lets try to keep this list technical. Take this to *opensuse-project@opensuse.org *or whatever the current OT list is.
try *suse-ot.suse.com*
Patrick,
I asked for creation of opensuse-advocacy (see my mail on opensuse-project list) and two answers stated that opensuse-project is good place for this kind of dicussions.
They right. Once upon a time when here raged discussion about purpose of opensuse@opensuse.org it was decided to move openSUSE project related discussion on separate list and make this one catch-it-all type and first line support for newcomers.
That means opensuse@opensuse.org is not pure technical, but if another list for specific topic exist, than all postings to this one should be directed there.
I have found myself visiting the website and thinking about Fedora these past few weeks. When I think about it I can't help but come back to the Microsoft deal. Does anyone else feel this way?
No.
Should I be worried or concerned?
No.
I just don't think I want to be involved with an organization that has had dealings with Microsoft the way Novell just has.
Huh ? Jboss( a redhat company) Sun and other major vendors already have deals with MS.
I'm I wrong to think this or be thinking about Fedora?
Most likely, yes.
On 2006-11-28 19:44, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
<snip> Huh ? Jboss( a redhat company) Sun and other major vendors already have deals with MS.
Shhhhhhh.. :-X
On Tuesday 28 November 2006 19:01, Aaron Bridge wrote:
I have found myself visiting the website and thinking about Fedora these past few weeks. When I think about it I can't help but come back to the Microsoft deal. Does anyone else feel this way? Should I be worried or concerned? Keep in mind I am not a Linux expert or software developer. I started with Red Hat 8 and switched to SUSE 8.2 when Red Had announced the Fedora Project. I just don't think I want to be involved with an organization that has had dealings with Microsoft the way Novell just has. I'm I wrong to think this or be thinking about Fedora?
The glass is half full, not half empty. M****S*** can talk all the trash they want, but SUSE is the distro that brought them to the table and made them admit that Linux is a force to be reckoned with.
As for Fedora, I routinely try out other distros, but FC6 segfaulted during installation...
On Tue November 28 2006 18:01, Aaron Bridge wrote:
I have found myself visiting the website and thinking about Fedora these past few weeks. When I think about it I can't help but come back to the Microsoft deal. Does anyone else feel this way? Should I be worried or concerned? Keep in mind I am not a Linux expert or software developer. I started with Red Hat 8 and switched to SUSE 8.2 when Red Had announced the Fedora Project. I just don't think I want to be involved with an organization that has had dealings with Microsoft the way Novell just has. I'm I wrong to think this or be thinking about Fedora?
Thanks, Aaron
Check out the log of Monday's IRC session with Nat and Andreas. http://lwn.net/Articles/211216/ It may help clear up your mind. It did help me.
Carlos FL
On Tuesday 28 November 2006 19:01, Aaron Bridge wrote:
I just don't think I want to be involved with an organization that has had dealings with Microsoft the way Novell just has. I'm I wrong to think this or be thinking about Fedora?
This is actually a great question Aaron.
( normal humor and sarcasm are officially /off )
Because of the way in which Novell entered into the deal with Microsoft (timing, details, press, etc) a trust issue exists--- as well as high speculation based on legitimate history and fear. Regardless, at this point in time it looks like the community will actually benefit from this deal... even Shuttleworth's community will benefit. The deal will keep Novell in the black for the moment allowing them to continue to build the best world-class open software distribution, as well as sending a powerful Linux positive message to the corporate world--- and the deal really only amounts to expensive "posturing" from a Microsoft vantage point. Linux in general may have actually taken on critical mass here... truly, this may be an historic moment to cherish.
Novell's communication skills could be improved; however, these two links will go a long way towards mending that fence... I recommend them to everyone interested in this discussion:
http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensource.html
http://lwn.net/Articles/211216/
Linux and the open source movement are alive and well, and Novell is a key player. Open communication will bridge trust gaps and foster solidarity--- hopefully, Novell has learned a couple of lessons here... and hopefully the community will help 'em stay on top.
( normal humor and sarcasm are back /ON )
* M Harris harrismh777@earthlink.net [11-29-06 17:26]:
Linux and the open source movement are alive and well, and Novell is a key player. Open communication will bridge trust gaps and foster solidarity--- hopefully, Novell has learned a couple of lessons here... and hopefully the community will help 'em stay on top.
( normal humor and sarcasm are back /ON )
Then... your earlier posturing has taken an about-face and you are not migrating to a non-suse distro ???
quotes available
On 2006-11-29 16:47, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
quotes available
Be sure to include the one where he pretty much called AJ a liar.
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 17:21, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Be sure to include the one where he pretty much called AJ a liar.
Sorry, AJ
M Harris harrismh777@earthlink.net writes:
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 17:21, Darryl Gregorash wrote:
Be sure to include the one where he pretty much called AJ a liar.
I missed that one ;-)
Sorry, AJ
No problem - this whole topic is rather heated and I understand the concerns and fears :-(
Andreas
On Wednesday 29 November 2006 16:47, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Then... your earlier posturing has taken an about-face and you are not migrating to a non-suse distro ???
Correct.
... for the near future.
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