Ok, I'll start in the order I noticed these problems: First, I could not start the installation. It would freeze up saying something about looking for an info file. This also kept the cd from being used as a rescue disk. The only workaround I could find was to use "Manual Installation". During installation, trying to load sata_sil on my own, or waiting for the installation program to detect it gave me the same result: the installation locked up. This is sort of disparaging. You would think that SuSE would make sure their product worked with SATA drives. They're quite common now and the ASUS A7N8X Deluxe motherboard I have is a very popular motherboard. So, I had to install an EIDE drive in order to do the installation. But, after cd 1 was finished and the installation rebooted, I was not able to use my mouse (USB Microsoft Intellimouse). After the installation finished completely, the computer started locking up while trying to load the Intel8x0 driver. The only workaround I found to this was to boot into my previous SuSE 9.1 installation, mount /root under /mnt/drive and install a standard 2.6.9 kernel. Then, I had my mouse and sound back. I use gaim from CVS and I noticed SEVERAL devel packages were missing from the installation cds. The listing is as follows: libao-devel texinfo gdbm-devel libopencdk-devel lzo-devel checkinstall So, I had to download the sources of these rpms from the suse ftp server and recompile them. That turned out to be a problem when recompiling gdbm and texinfo. Gdbm required texinfo and texinfo required gdbm. SO, I had to get texinfo from the 9.1 directory and install it. Then, and only then, could I rebuild gdbm and texinfo. One problem I noticed during this recompiling was that root didn't have /opt/kde3/bin in its path. I had noticed this in SuSE 9.1 as well. I see no reason for this...especially if you have installed KDE as your only desktop environment. I also noticed that if you type rpm -Uvh libao*rpm then it will complain that the files conflict with the libao package you already have installed. Since you are upgrading, it should catch this and not complain. This was a problem with 9.1 as well. This makes rpm -Uvh useless. You have to rpm -e the package in question, then rpm -i or rpm -Uvh then. As far as the running of the system, I don't notice any huge problems. I did notice something that was very annoying though. If I select my kicker to be small, then add an external taskbar, the taskbar is normal size...which makes it twice the size of kicker. I had to search through settings to find out how to change the external taskbar to small. I've never had this problem with any other version and KDE. I'm also noticing that PAN is having problems realizing that read messages have been read. If I delete the messages, it will download them again as unread. I'm going to have to reinstall PAN from the website, I believe. This SuSE version is just a bit too buggy...if for no other reason than that one alone. Other than that, I haven't noticed any real problems yet. But, I think that these problems keep SuSE from appearing to be a professional product on installation. A sixth cd would be much more preferable to simply not including the devel packages. Also, if hardware is listed as supported and a kernel module is included for it, then it should install on that hardware. I would expect these problems from a .0 release, but not a .2
I should also add that my network (sk98lin) would not work during installation and only worked after the install was over....the same as the mouse.
On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 19:57, Michael Staggs wrote:
I should also add that my network (sk98lin) would not work during installation and only worked after the install was over....the same as the mouse.
ASUS motherboard?
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Michael Staggs wrote:
On Monday 08 November 2004 16:56, cwsiv wrote:
ASUS motherboard?
Yes, the A7N8X-E deluxe motherboard.
Another yes and Oh Boy! Upgrading from 9.1 Pro, the gory details. In my previous post, it refused to have anything to do with the 120G ATA100 drive as hda or hdc and which was reiserfsck clean. Installed the new 160G ATA133 drive, rsync the data over from the previous hda1 to hdc1, then swapped them over. Complained about these devices, so I mkdir /media/floppy /media/cdrom, /media/dvd and /media/cdrecorder in in virtual console 2. Still getting complaints, ln -s /dev/hdb to /dev/{cdrom,cdrecorder,dvd} and now it seems happy. Did the upgrade, but on boot, it prompted me with a filesystem problem, did the "mount -n -o remount,rw /", hmmmmm.....it's mounted /dev/hdc1 instead of /dev/hda1, reiserfsck, fstab all fine, so I removed hdc and it boots, but lots of stuff it said it had installed was missing, yast, some X stuff, parts of kde, parts of gnome and more, it's not been put on hdc1 for sure. Right, I'll sort this sod out, Did a new installation without formatting hda1, no problems, Did YOU update, it's happy except there is no sound module for the intel8x0 in the SuSE kernel. Booted my previous 2.6.9-mm1 kernel and it's fine, I just had to set up kde and a few other bits, but it's back to health, my hosts, resolv.conf and such, plus /root and /home are still intact. YOUR MILEAGE WILL CERTAINLY VARY. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
On Tuesday 09 November 2004 00:23, Michael Staggs wrote:
On Monday 08 November 2004 16:56, cwsiv wrote:
ASUS motherboard?
Yes, the A7N8X-E deluxe motherboard.
Interesting. It installed ok to mine, but does not like the mouse. Trackman Marble +. The wheel just sends the cursor into no-no land. Otherwise I had to remove my SCSI card (as I have had to do with every Suse version since 8.x) so it would recognize the drives. As soon as I did that, it quit asking me for the second floppy (no floppy drive in the system at all, so inserting a fake floppy was not an option) I wish the mouse would work correctly. -- Doug Glenn http://www.wildhair.org
Doug Glenn wrote:
On Tuesday 09 November 2004 00:23, Michael Staggs wrote:
On Monday 08 November 2004 16:56, cwsiv wrote:
ASUS motherboard?
Yes, the A7N8X-E deluxe motherboard.
Interesting. It installed ok to mine, but does not like the mouse. Trackman Marble +. The wheel just sends the cursor into no-no land. Otherwise I had to remove my SCSI card (as I have had to do with every Suse version since 8.x) so it would recognize the drives.
At tioes, adter an install, if the scsi card has a bios, it will try to look at /dev/sda1 for /boot. The first time I had this problem years ago, I had to remove the scsi BIOS and reinstall in order to get it to boot. On a few other occasions, I had to copy all the stuff from /boot from /dev/hda1 to /dev/sda1 and in /etc/fstab, /boot pointed to /dev/sda1, then it booted, that was back when you needed to have a separate small /boot partition. Now you can boot on a partition larger than 1024 cylinders, the problem doesn't exist. Check you don't have a separate /boot partition.
As soon as I did that, it quit asking me for the second floppy (no floppy drive in the system at all, so inserting a fake floppy was not an option)
I wish the mouse would work correctly.
My mouse settings for both mousepad and usb optical on the laptop. Section "InputDevice" Driver "mouse" Identifier "Mouse[1]" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on" Option "Name" "Autodetection" Option "Protocol" "explorerps/2" Option "Vendor" "Sysp" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Driver "mouse" Identifier "Mouse[3]" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "on" Option "Name" "Autodetection" Option "Protocol" "explorerps/2" Option "Vendor" "Sysp" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection On this box XP3000+, PS/2 mouse. Section "InputDevice" Driver "mouse" Identifier "Mouse[1]" Option "Protocol" "explorerps/2" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" EndSection Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 21:23, Michael Staggs wrote:
On Monday 08 November 2004 16:56, cwsiv wrote:
ASUS motherboard?
Yes, the A7N8X-E deluxe motherboard.
A very popular board on this list. Just check the archives. Your in for a lot of work. -- _______ _______ _______ __ / ____\ \ / / ____|_ _\ \ / / | | \ \ /\ / / (___ | | \ \ / / | | \ \/ \/ / \___ \ | | \ \/ / | |____ \ /\ / ____) |_| |_ \ / \_____| \/ \/ |_____/|_____| \/
Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:
On Mon, 2004-11-08 at 21:23, Michael Staggs wrote:
On Monday 08 November 2004 16:56, cwsiv wrote:
ASUS motherboard?
Yes, the A7N8X-E deluxe motherboard.
A very popular board on this list. Just check the archives. Your in for a lot of work.
I doubt it has anything to do with the board, I had the same initial problems on the Acer 1501LCe laptop x86_64 upgrade, somehow playing around eventually got the update going (ATA100 HD). Likewise, Pete Nikolic has a different mobo and he had battle royal installing there also, having to create an XP partition before it would do an install on a new HD. Once installed, it's fine. As for me, there was no way it would update a ATA100 drive on the main box, pick the ATA133 and it liked it, except I had stuff backed up there, I could go to VC2 and manually mount it, but the upgrade couldn't, I had to rsync it on to a new ATA133 drive and make that hda, even then it still wasn't straightforward, lots of stuff it said it installed was missing and I ended up doing a new install without formatting the partitions, end of problem. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
Michael Staggs wrote:
Ok, I'll start in the order I noticed these problems:
First, I could not start the installation. It would freeze up saying something about looking for an info file. This also kept the cd from being used as a rescue disk. The only workaround I could find was to use "Manual Installation".
Stick a floppy in the drive and it stops the complaining and the freeze, not really a freeze, but a loooong wait. This has been a SuSE feature since about 8.1 or 8.2. once it sees any floppy it's happy.
During installation, trying to load sata_sil on my own, or waiting for the installation program to detect it gave me the same result: the installation locked up. This is sort of disparaging. You would think that SuSE would make sure their product worked with SATA drives. They're quite common now and the ASUS A7N8X Deluxe motherboard I have is a very popular motherboard.
So, I had to install an EIDE drive in order to do the installation. But, after cd 1 was finished and the installation rebooted, I was not able to use my mouse (USB Microsoft Intellimouse). After the installation finished completely, the computer started locking up while trying to load the Intel8x0 driver. The only workaround I found to this was to boot into my previous SuSE 9.1 installation, mount /root under /mnt/drive and install a standard 2.6.9 kernel. Then, I had my mouse and sound back. I can't get 9.2 installed on the A7N8X-E mobo, it bdoesn't like my 9.1 drive and can't mount it. The 9.0 drive is fine, but I use that as backup for stuff on my other boxes. I can dive into VC 02 and manually mount it, but that doesn't help. I had the same problem on my x86_64 laptop, but after a few hours trying, something kicked it into life.
I use gaim from CVS and I noticed SEVERAL devel packages were missing from the installation cds. The listing is as follows:
libao-devel texinfo gdbm-devel libopencdk-devel lzo-devel checkinstall
So, I had to download the sources of these rpms from the suse ftp server and recompile them. That turned out to be a problem when recompiling gdbm and texinfo. Gdbm required texinfo and texinfo required gdbm. SO, I had to get texinfo from the 9.1 directory and install it. Then, and only then, could I rebuild gdbm and texinfo.
I haven't tried building anything other than kernel.org kernels, they work fine.
One problem I noticed during this recompiling was that root didn't have /opt/kde3/bin in its path. I had noticed this in SuSE 9.1 as well. I see no reason for this...especially if you have installed KDE as your only desktop environment. I also noticed that if you type rpm -Uvh libao*rpm then it will complain that the files conflict with the libao package you already have installed. Since you are upgrading, it should catch this and not complain. This was a problem with 9.1 as well. This makes rpm -Uvh useless. You have to rpm -e the package in question, then rpm -i or rpm -Uvh then.
The path problem is usual. You could probably have gotten away with "rpm -Uvh --replacefiles"
As far as the running of the system, I don't notice any huge problems. I did notice something that was very annoying though. If I select my kicker to be small, then add an external taskbar, the taskbar is normal size...which makes it twice the size of kicker. I had to search through settings to find out how to change the external taskbar to small. I've never had this problem with any other version and KDE. x86_64 seems stable, just wish I could get my A7N8X-E install going. I have a new 160G drive and I will rsync the stuff from /dev/hda1 to it and see if that will make it happy.
I'm also noticing that PAN is having problems realizing that read messages have been read. If I delete the messages, it will download them again as unread. I'm going to have to reinstall PAN from the website, I believe. This SuSE version is just a bit too buggy...if for no other reason than that one alone.
Other than that, I haven't noticed any real problems yet. But, I think that these problems keep SuSE from appearing to be a professional product on installation. A sixth cd would be much more preferable to simply not including the devel packages. Also, if hardware is listed as supported and a kernel module is included for it, then it should install on that hardware. I would expect these problems from a .0 release, but not a .2
That would hugely upset some of us who need the devel packages. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer =====LINUX ONLY USED HERE=====
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