[opensuse] NNTP reader for forums.opensuse.org
I am trying to set up a newsreader for the forums, to make it easier to track threads there than using the web interface. I know that the forums allows NNTP access to the threads there, so I have tried setting up 2 separate newsreader clients to make this work. Neither seems to be able to give me all the features I am looking for. knode was what I tried first, and it set up very easily, and I found that I could post to the forums very easily. The only problem is that I really like a 3 column layout, and knode does not seem to have that as an option. I entered a feature request on sourceforge, which can be seen here: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=browse&group_id=5357&atid=355357. However, as you can tell, the last feature request for knode was made in 2005, so I don't even know if sourceforge is the right place to put in a feature request. So I tried to set up claws mail, which has a nice 3 column layout. But the problem there is that I cannot post anything. For some reason I can post using knode (I don't know how, as I never entered my forum login and pw anywhere when I set it up), but with claws mail it won't post. It gives me a popup error message that says "Error: Could not queue the message for sending." So my main question is, how do I get claws mail to allow me to post to the forums? Another question would be, what are some people's preferred newsreaders here that will accept NNTP? If I could do it on thunderbird I would, but I could not find anywhere that thunderbird will take NNTP, and it seems that thunderbird only accepts RSS. -- G.O. Box #1: 12.1 | KDE 4.8.3 | AMD Athlon X3 | 64 | nVidia C61 GeForce 7025 | 4GB RAM Box #2 12.1 | KDE 4.8.3 | Pentium 4 (2core) | 32 | Intel 82915G | 2GB RAM Lap #1: 12.1 | KDE 4.8.3 | Core2 Duo T8100 | 64 | Intel 965GM | 4GB RAM Lap #2: 12.1 | KDE 4.8.2 | Core Duo T2400 | 32 | NVIDIA Quadro NVS 120 | 2GB RAM learning openSUSE and loving it -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:54:51 +0800, George Olson wrote:
(I don't know how, as I never entered my forum login and pw anywhere when I set it up)
You don't use authentication with the forums when using NNTP. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/12/2012 12:05 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:54:51 +0800, George Olson wrote:
(I don't know how, as I never entered my forum login and pw anywhere when I set it up)
You don't use authentication with the forums when using NNTP.
Jim
Ok, that is good to know. So does that mean that anyone can post to the forums if they are using NNTP, whether or not they are a member of the forums? -- G.O. Box #1: 12.1 | KDE 4.8.3 | AMD Athlon X3 | 64 | nVidia C61 GeForce 7025 | 4GB RAM Box #2 12.1 | KDE 4.8.3 | Pentium 4 (2core) | 32 | Intel 82915G | 2GB RAM Lap #1: 12.1 | KDE 4.8.3 | Core2 Duo T8100 | 64 | Intel 965GM | 4GB RAM Lap #2: 12.1 | KDE 4.8.2 | Core Duo T2400 | 32 | NVIDIA Quadro NVS 120 | 2GB RAM learning openSUSE and loving it -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/12/2012 09:03 AM, George Olson wrote:
does that mean that anyone can post to the forums if they are using NNTP, whether or not they are a member of the forums?
yes -- dd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:03:54 +0800, George Olson wrote:
Ok, that is good to know. So does that mean that anyone can post to the forums if they are using NNTP, whether or not they are a member of the forums?
Correct. That said, we monitor very closely and are very quick to deal with spam and other issues that come in via NNTP (indeed in general we deal with spam very quickly). There is a specific address you can use in order to link your posts to your web login (used not just on the forums, but also on other openSUSE, SUSE, and Novell resources). In addition to what the others have said, I use pan myself as a reader. We do have a FAQ as well specifically relating to NNTP located at: http://forums.opensuse.org/faq.php?faq=novfor#faq_nntp Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/12/2012 05:54 AM, George Olson wrote:
So my main question is, how do I get claws mail to allow me to post to the forums? should be helpful: http://forums.opensuse.org/faq.php?faq=novfor#faq_nntp
Another question would be, what are some people's preferred newsreaders here that will accept NNTP? If I could do it on thunderbird I would, but I could not find anywhere that thunderbird will take NNTP, and it seems that thunderbird only accepts RSS.
i've used several different nntp clients over the years and today use thunderbird (not because it is the best, of all tried--that would be NeoLogic News in OS/2--but, because it works ok for me...three columns i have no idea, i like the way TBird does it, kinda like the way NeoLogic did) very probably be helpful: https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/creating-newsgroup-account?s=nntp&as=s -- dd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
George Olson wrote:
Another question would be, what are some people's preferred newsreaders here that will accept NNTP? If I could do it on thunderbird I would, but I could not find anywhere that thunderbird will take NNTP, and it seems that thunderbird only accepts RSS.
Both knode, thunderbird and opera support nntp - I personally use knode and have done so for years. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-06-12 05:54, George Olson wrote:
Another question would be, what are some people's preferred newsreaders here that will accept NNTP? If I could do it on thunderbird I would, but I could not find anywhere that thunderbird will take NNTP, and it seems that thunderbird only accepts RSS.
I use thunderbird. And you can ask this in the forums, where you get the answers of the people using it via nntp. There is a thread there where I asked and tested several nntp clients. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/XOQAACgkQIvFNjefEBxrE0wCeNOecaPLUsqbaCoqo92gC8ysY KqUAnRMp+6hVtVX9jxac9pYnK6TFcBnl =67SX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
George Olson said the following on 06/11/2012 11:54 PM:
I am trying to set up a newsreader for the forums, to make it easier to track threads there than using the web interface.
LOL! yes, I *HATE* reading mail on a web interface. But why NNTP? Email is threaded anyway. The message I'm writing has all the threading information ... you'll see things like References: <4FD6BD8B.20805@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD6BD8B.20805@gmail.com> Now I'm not saying this is perfect. There are broken MUA's out there. Lotus Notes is one prime example of a thread breaker. But using Thunderbird in email mode (and yes it can be used in NNTP more and yes I have done that and no I didn't like it) I can see the threads in this and other forums. And yes I can see the times when $EXPLETIVE people hijack a thread. The down side of NNTP to my mind is that it expires. You service provider is the one that decides how long any group stays on his server. With email the articles get delivered and its up to you if an when you delete them. The upside of reading a group by email is that we have a lot of tools for processing email, enhancing the mail readers. More work is being done on the email side than the NNTP side. There are advantages to NNTP. Its 'flood fill' algorithm has been show to be one of the fastest ways to propagate message, provided you are in a high interconnection density setting (or your service provider is highly interconnected). Now I realise that with the universality of the internet that means something different from the days of dial-up service, but its still a matter of choice on the part of your service provider: how many news feed source connections does he have? The protocol's "IhaveGiveme" make it easy to have redundant feeds to guarantee connectivity, but is your service provider taking use of that? if not then there is no advantage over email. The store-and-forward nature of email has costs but it also has advantages. If I turn my machine off, if my service provider goes down, then opensuse.org will just defer my email and try again later. This is why as a "home user" I have a mail box with an "always on" ISP so the mail is sitting there and I have the option of collecting it whenever I want. The capacity of that box is huge because the service provider doesn't care how I use the disk space I pay for. I could go away for six months and all my mail would still be there. Your NNTP messages would long since have expired unless your service provider is very generous. And yes, Thunderbird: I did have it set up as NNTP/Newsreader but didn't like it at all. The Forte Agent newsreader looked good at the client Windows machines I've been forced to use and I'm told that there is a Linux equivalent - is that Pan ? - but haven't tried it. Agent was quite comfortable to use for the company/internal news it was set up for, but that meant three was a homogeneous interface. What things would be like in the wild with people submitting from possibly non-conforming tools that, like they do with email, break threading and other aspects of failing strict conformance I can't say.
Another question would be, what are some people's preferred newsreaders here that will accept NNTP? If I could do it on thunderbird I would, but I could not find anywhere that thunderbird will take NNTP, and it seems that thunderbird only accepts RSS.
I don't believe that to be the case. I've just tried setting it up for my cable ISP ... the default port in the setup screen is 119 ... that's NNTP not RSS -- "It seemed to me," said Wonko the Sane, "that any civilization that had so far lost its head as to need to include a set of detailed instructions for use in a package of toothpicks, was no longer a civilization in which I could live and stay sane." -- Douglas Adams' _So Long, And Thanks For All The Fish_ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-06-12 15:48, Anton Aylward wrote:
George Olson said the following on 06/11/2012 11:54 PM:
But why NNTP? Email is threaded anyway. The message I'm writing has all the threading information ... you'll see things like
Because he wants access to the openSUSE forums, and these forums offer nntp beside the mandatory web interface - not email; thus email is out of the question.
The down side of NNTP to my mind is that it expires. You service provider is the one that decides how long any group stays on his server.
Not if you create your own local cache; and so far, the openSUSE forum stores all posts. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk/XSioACgkQIvFNjefEBxpMngCeJ30YKKWQkfL+fSDdJcskn2uS EQMAoK8jagRd4lwJqfx+upO8CbZPjIXH =I1Ow -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:48:11 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
The down side of NNTP to my mind is that it expires. You service provider is the one that decides how long any group stays on his server.
Well, in our case, we haven't yet run into the disk limitation, so we have the full archive. But there are NNTP-based tools like leafnode that let you store a local archive if you so choose. NNTP is designed to be a distributed messaging system - that's how USENET is implemented, certainly. For the most part, the forum NNTP server has all the messages going back to the very start of the server. We don't purge messages other than to remove spam or messages that violate the terms and conditions of use of the forums. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 06/12/2012 10:05 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:48:11 -0400, Anton Aylward wrote:
The down side of NNTP to my mind is that it expires. You service provider is the one that decides how long any group stays on his server. Well, in our case, we haven't yet run into the disk limitation, so we have the full archive. But there are NNTP-based tools like leafnode that let you store a local archive if you so choose.
NNTP is designed to be a distributed messaging system - that's how USENET is implemented, certainly.
For the most part, the forum NNTP server has all the messages going back to the very start of the server. We don't purge messages other than to remove spam or messages that violate the terms and conditions of use of the forums.
Jim
Thanks to everyone that has responded. I now know how to set up thunderbird and give it a try. I still don't understand why claws mail would not post. I followed the instructions on the faq. I will have to look at it more later when I get home. George -- G.O. Box #1: 12.1 | KDE 4.8.3 | AMD Athlon X3 | 64 | nVidia C61 GeForce 7025 | 4GB RAM Box #2 12.1 | KDE 4.8.3 | Pentium 4 (2core) | 32 | Intel 82915G | 2GB RAM Lap #1: 12.1 | KDE 4.8.3 | Core2 Duo T8100 | 64 | Intel 965GM | 4GB RAM Lap #2: 12.1 | KDE 4.8.2 | Core Duo T2400 | 32 | NVIDIA Quadro NVS 120 | 2GB RAM learning openSUSE and loving it -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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