On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 11:19 -0500, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

Mark Misulich pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Hi, a problem has developed on my laptop after some updates to the OS within the last month. It won't stay on time when I shut it down and start it up again.

Each time after starting up the computer I have to reset the time and date. I also uncheck the box where it says update time automatically. But after each startup, the date and time will be off, and the box is rechecked again

Any ideas on how to fix this? I am using OpenSuse 11.1 with kde 3.5.

Thanks

Perhaps you need to manually adjust the cmos clock after daylight savings time change.

-- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998

Hi Ken, thanks for the thought but the problem developed before the time change off daylight saving time. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 01:19 +0900, Masaru Nomiya wrote:

Hello,

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[Mark] == Mark Misulich has written:

Mark> Each time after starting up the computer I have to reset the time and Mark> date. I also uncheck the box where it says update time automatically. Mark> But after each startup, the date and time will be off, and the box is Mark> rechecked again

What do you want to do, I wonder?

The box do update time and date automatically under the ntp setteings. I can't understand waht does your uncheck behavior.

Regards,

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Hi, what I want to do is get the time working correctly again. I do not expect to have to reset time and date on each startup. If the autoset box is checked, I would expect the clock and date to be set correctly, but it isn't. I tried to uncheck the autoset box as a trouble shooting exercise, but since it isn't staying unchecked it is one more indication of the problem. That is why I wrote about this. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 12:51 -0500, Anton Aylward wrote:

Istvan Gabor said the following on 11/06/2009 12:13 PM:

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I don't know about laptops but on desktops this can occur if the battery on the motherboard has run out.

That was my first thought. However the statement of the problem hasn't said anything about the motherboard clock. Yes, if it has failed, be it a hardware failure or a dead battery, that would require resetting the Linux time on every boot.

How to check? I'd say go into the BIOS on hardware boot. Most BIOS's let yo adjust the clock there. It it keeps resetting to the same value (chip dependent 'all zeros' then I'd replace the battery.

Of course it _could_ be a hardware failure.

How old did you say this was?

I checked the bios clock earlier today and it seems to be keeping time and date ok. I think I bought this laptop about three years ago. I rebuilt the /etc/adjtime file and that seems to have allowed me to keep the clock synchronized on gmt ok. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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# rm /etc/adjtime # ntpdate -q ntp1.ptb.de #(or other time server); shows the difference between your computer's time and the real time # ntpdate ntp1.ptb.de # sets the system time # hwclock --systohc # copies system time to BIOS

Hi Istvan, I reset the time as per your instructions, and have booted the computer several times during the day. So far the computer seems to be presenting time and date ok, in gmt not local time. That is fine with me with all the traveling I do for work, so I will just leave it this way.

Hold on, there might be a problem with that. What is the output of the command "date" on your system? If it says something like this: ~> date Sat Nov 7 13:01:43 CET 2009 If the letters there say some local time (like CET above), but the time is UTC, then you do have a problem. Repeat the procedure taking attention to the --utc or --localtime as I said in my post. If you still get the wron time after that, make sure your timezone is properly configured in YaST. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkr1YnUACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WHmQCfT76gxBSoBI3+GU+C6JoLdfTv stUAn2AvXQSYMfspwNKDUy0cFsZvmCfO =BUkt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 13:05 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On Saturday, 2009-11-07 at 04:26 -0500, Mark Misulich wrote:

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# rm /etc/adjtime # ntpdate -q ntp1.ptb.de #(or other time server); shows the difference between your computer's time and the real time # ntpdate ntp1.ptb.de # sets the system time # hwclock --systohc # copies system time to BIOS

Hi Istvan, I reset the time as per your instructions, and have booted the computer several times during the day. So far the computer seems to be presenting time and date ok, in gmt not local time. That is fine with me with all the traveling I do for work, so I will just leave it this way. Hold on, there might be a problem with that.

What is the output of the command "date" on your system? If it says something like this:

~> date Sat Nov 7 13:01:43 CET 2009

If the letters there say some local time (like CET above), but the time is UTC, then you do have a problem. Repeat the procedure taking attention to the --utc or --localtime as I said in my post.

If you still get the wron time after that, make sure your timezone is properly configured in YaST.

- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

Hi Carlos, here is the output of "date"

Sat Nov 7 19:28:24 EST 2009

The time in yast is set to Eastern Time, yet the time on the computer is displayed in GMT in a 12 hour clock. The current display is 07:32pm, so I add 12 hours to it to get GMT time of 1932 hours gmt.

Even though the time is set to eastern time, it is displaying in gmt. I don't know how to set it to right, so --- back to you for evaluation and new instructions.

Mark

Eastern Standard Time (in the USA) is GMT -5 hours. When it is 1932 GMT it is 1432 EST in the USA. Perhaps this is why you think the time is off. By the way, while under daylight savings time the difference is 4 hours (GMT -4). -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Sat Nov 7 19:28:24 EST 2009

The time in yast is set to Eastern Time, yet the time on the computer is displayed in GMT in a 12 hour clock. The current display is 07:32pm, so I add 12 hours to it to get GMT time of 1932 hours gmt.

Even though the time is set to eastern time, it is displaying in gmt. I don't know how to set it to right, so --- back to you for evaluation and new instructions.

verify "/etc/sysconfig/clock":

HWCLOCK TIMEZONE DEFAULT_TIMEZONE SYSTOHC

Instructions already written.

Again, enter the time as root on a terminal using the command "date -s SOMETHING", entering local EST time. More details, in the man page.

Alternatively, use "rcntp ntptimeset", provided you have previously defined ntp servers, opened the firewall for ntp, etc. Verify using "date" with no options.

¡¡FORGET KDE/GNOME!! I don't care what time the desktop says it is. Get the time right on the console first. Once that works, the rest falls in place fine.

Then, repeat the procedure of deleting adjtime and the rest.

- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

Hi Carlos, I played around with the commands this morning and wasn't able to get back to the computer till this evening. It is displaying time correctly now, the bios clock reads time in gmt and the clock on the kicker panel is reading correct eastern time now. I expect it will keep correct time now, thanks for your help. Mark -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org