On 02/08/2010 05:27, Peter Nikolic wrote: [pruned]

Hummmmm right then beat this .. I ran w_scan as you suggested above it worked fine for a while then guess what back to NO BBC channels again , I can see me going back to 11.2 at this rate

most annoying anyone else got any ideas ?

Pete .

Forgot to ask you- which version of vlc are you running? The latest version is 1.1.2 (which I was upgraded to about 1/2 hour ago). BC -- If nothing happens, nothing can go wrong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 02/08/2010 16:19, Peter Nikolic wrote:

On Monday 02 Aug 2010 01:39:33 Basil Chupin wrote:

...

On 02/08/2010 05:27, Peter Nikolic wrote:

[pruned]

...

Hummmmm right then beat this .. I ran w_scan as you suggested above it worked fine for a while then guess what back to NO BBC channels again , I can see me going back to 11.2 at this rate

most annoying anyone else got any ideas ?

Pete .

Forgot to ask you- which version of vlc are you running? The latest version is 1.1.2 (which I was upgraded to about 1/2 hour ago).

BC

Hi Basil ..

Well it says 1.1.1 the luggage were you updated automatically via the pacman repo or vlc or suse ..

I have had no update offered ..

Peter, I have to 'fess up - but which I didn't think I had to do, but now it seems that what you are using is not as "effective" as what I am using - and I don't mean in any shape or form to start a "war" by stating this. I am using Ubuntu - switched over to it some months ago. By using Ubuntu I am also using the gnome desktop. Until last week, my wife was still using openSUSE and the KDE4 desktop and she had nothing but hassles in recent weeks. Now that I switched her over to Ubuntu/gnome she has not had a single hassle - she is a "happy chappy" (and her cooking now reflects this :-) .) I mention this NOT to start any flame war but simply stating the situation as it applies in this household. So whatever I have said so far with respect to your problem has been from the point of view of me using Ubuntu - and I am *NOT* having the problems you appear to be having. Having stated this, are you sure that you don't have any old, and useless, files hanging around and which are affecting your current installation of vlc? As a possible indicator, in Ubuntu I have videolan.org as the source of the vlc application files - and which is why I had my vlc upgraded to 1.1.2. However, irrespective of which distro you are using I cannot understand why you are having the hassles you say you are having. Perhaps it has something to do with your local broadcasting bands which are in the process of being re-organised? One of our ABC channels here in Australia changed their name to ABC Channel 24 last week - which also affected their other channels. (Which is why I find that w-scan is the best way to produce a 'channels.conf' rather that using the list of channels in xine (dvb-utils) or even kaffeine which appear to be 'static' in that that they are produced from info supplied by the author of the s/ware whereas w-scan scans what is actually available at any time in your locale.) The other variable in all this is the fact that you are using a Hauppauge card - and I am using the German Technisat AirStar 2 DVB-T card. Is this the thing which is causing your problem? Dunno. BC -- If nothing happens, nothing can go wrong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 02/08/2010 22:27, Peter Nikolic wrote:

On Monday 02 Aug 2010 10:38:47 Basil Chupin wrote:

...

On 02/08/2010 16:19, Peter Nikolic wrote:

...

On Monday 02 Aug 2010 01:39:33 Basil Chupin wrote:

...

On 02/08/2010 05:27, Peter Nikolic wrote:

...

Peter, I have to 'fess up - but which I didn't think I had to do, but now it seems that what you are using is not as "effective" as what I am using - and I don't mean in any shape or form to start a "war" by stating this.

I am using Ubuntu - switched over to it some months ago. By using Ubuntu I am also using the gnome desktop.

Until last week, my wife was still using openSUSE and the KDE4 desktop and she had nothing but hassles in recent weeks. Now that I switched her over to Ubuntu/gnome she has not had a single hassle - she is a "happy chappy" (and her cooking now reflects this :-) .)

I mention this NOT to start any flame war but simply stating the situation as it applies in this household.

So whatever I have said so far with respect to your problem has been from the point of view of me using Ubuntu - and I am *NOT* having the problems you appear to be having.

Having stated this, are you sure that you don't have any old, and useless, files hanging around and which are affecting your current installation of vlc?

As a possible indicator, in Ubuntu I have videolan.org as the source of the vlc application files - and which is why I had my vlc upgraded to 1.1.2.

However, irrespective of which distro you are using I cannot understand why you are having the hassles you say you are having.

Perhaps it has something to do with your local broadcasting bands which are in the process of being re-organised?

One of our ABC channels here in Australia changed their name to ABC Channel 24 last week - which also affected their other channels. (Which is why I find that w-scan is the best way to produce a 'channels.conf' rather that using the list of channels in xine (dvb-utils) or even kaffeine which appear to be 'static' in that that they are produced from info supplied by the author of the s/ware whereas w-scan scans what is actually available at any time in your locale.)

The other variable in all this is the fact that you are using a Hauppauge card - and I am using the German Technisat AirStar 2 DVB-T card. Is this the thing which is causing your problem? Dunno.

BC

Hi Basil

there is one thing i wish would happen in the Linux community that is we stop this differing paths and the rest of it get to standards moan over for now !!!

Amen to that, but this is what makes Linux so pleasant to use: the choices which you have available to you.

Well i am back to the VLC way of doing a channel scan again and it works once again

And this is where I cannot fathom how you are able to do this because for my setup there is something missing and even though the scan is performed I do not get any channels recognised! Unless I use w-scan to generate the *.conf file.

i have used w_scan but it is not too good seems to include loads of stuff that i have not got the faintest where it finds it from .

With kaffeine, it imports some file from its home site and uses that for the scan of your local channels. If you use the dvb-utils for xine they, too, use a provided file put together by the author in order to generate the channels.conf it uses. On the other hand, w-scan seems to simply scan the airways for the channels in your country and, or course, will pick up those which are recognisable in your area. As you probably would have realised by now, it also picks up all the digital radio channels as well as digital HD TV channels - which is probably what you mean by "includes loads of stuff that i have not got the faintest where it finds it from". I am now starting to wonder...... If you have a close look at the channels.conf which is generated you will find that channels for something like the ABC here and probably the BBC where you are very close together ie, they are separated by very small margins of MHz bandwidth - if that. Even using xine I often have problems with watching one of the ABC channels without suddenly losing the original channel and being "switched" over to some other channel. In fact I often also have to start at the "top end" of a local channel and then switch "down" to the next channel from the same provider (eg, to see Channel 7 HD I need to start with Channel 7 #1 and then switch over to Channel 7 HD in order to see the latter). I don't know what causes this especially seeing as how we are in direct line of sight of the transmitting tower (we see it from our lounge room windows) which is some 5km from us - and we have an outdoor aerial mounted on the roof. Question now is: do you use an indoor aerial or an outdoor one, and what is the overall quality of your reception?

I have found an updated version to 1.1.2 and updated so lets see what transpires over the next couple of days ,It is just strange that it only ever effects the BBC channels still

Have you spoken to your neighbours, for example, about any problems they may be having with BBC reception on their normal TV sets? Perhaps your Hauppauge card is not suitable for your locale? BC -- If nothing happens, nothing can go wrong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 02 Aug 2010 16:19:35 Peter Nikolic wrote:

On Monday 02 Aug 2010 15:14:37 Basil Chupin wrote:

...

On 02/08/2010 22:27, Peter Nikolic wrote:

...

On Monday 02 Aug 2010 10:38:47 Basil Chupin wrote:

...

On 02/08/2010 16:19, Peter Nikolic wrote:

...

On Monday 02 Aug 2010 01:39:33 Basil Chupin wrote:

...

On 02/08/2010 05:27, Peter Nikolic wrote: Peter, I have to 'fess up - but which I didn't think I had to do, but now it seems that what you are using is not as "effective" as what I am using - and I don't mean in any shape or form to start a "war" by stating this.

I am using Ubuntu - switched over to it some months ago. By using Ubuntu I am also using the gnome desktop.

Until last week, my wife was still using openSUSE and the KDE4 desktop and she had nothing but hassles in recent weeks. Now that I switched her over to Ubuntu/gnome she has not had a single hassle - she is a "happy chappy" (and her cooking now reflects this :-) .)

I mention this NOT to start any flame war but simply stating the situation as it applies in this household.

So whatever I have said so far with respect to your problem has been from the point of view of me using Ubuntu - and I am *NOT* having the problems you appear to be having.

Having stated this, are you sure that you don't have any old, and useless, files hanging around and which are affecting your current installation of vlc?

As a possible indicator, in Ubuntu I have videolan.org as the source of the vlc application files - and which is why I had my vlc upgraded to 1.1.2.

However, irrespective of which distro you are using I cannot understand why you are having the hassles you say you are having.

Perhaps it has something to do with your local broadcasting bands which are in the process of being re-organised?

One of our ABC channels here in Australia changed their name to ABC Channel 24 last week - which also affected their other channels. (Which is why I find that w-scan is the best way to produce a 'channels.conf' rather that using the list of channels in xine (dvb-utils) or even kaffeine which appear to be 'static' in that that they are produced from info supplied by the author of the s/ware whereas w-scan scans what is actually available at any time in your locale.)

The other variable in all this is the fact that you are using a Hauppauge card - and I am using the German Technisat AirStar 2 DVB-T card. Is this the thing which is causing your problem? Dunno.

BC

Hi Basil

there is one thing i wish would happen in the Linux community that is we stop this differing paths and the rest of it get to standards moan over for now !!!

Amen to that, but this is what makes Linux so pleasant to use: the choices which you have available to you.

...

Well i am back to the VLC way of doing a channel scan again and it works once again

And this is where I cannot fathom how you are able to do this because for my setup there is something missing and even though the scan is performed I do not get any channels recognised!

Unless I use w-scan to generate the *.conf file.

...

i have used w_scan but it is not too good seems to include loads of

stuff that i have not got the faintest where it finds it from .

With kaffeine, it imports some file from its home site and uses that for the scan of your local channels.

If you use the dvb-utils for xine they, too, use a provided file put together by the author in order to generate the channels.conf it uses.

On the other hand, w-scan seems to simply scan the airways for the channels in your country and, or course, will pick up those which are recognisable in your area.

As you probably would have realised by now, it also picks up all the digital radio channels as well as digital HD TV channels - which is probably what you mean by "includes loads of stuff that i have not got the faintest where it finds it from".

I am now starting to wonder......

If you have a close look at the channels.conf which is generated you will find that channels for something like the ABC here and probably the BBC where you are very close together ie, they are separated by very small margins of MHz bandwidth - if that. Even using xine I often have problems with watching one of the ABC channels without suddenly losing the original channel and being "switched" over to some other channel. In fact I often also have to start at the "top end" of a local channel and then switch "down" to the next channel from the same provider (eg, to see Channel 7 HD I need to start with Channel 7 #1 and then switch over to Channel 7 HD in order to see the latter).

I don't know what causes this especially seeing as how we are in direct line of sight of the transmitting tower (we see it from our lounge room windows) which is some 5km from us - and we have an outdoor aerial mounted on the roof.

Question now is: do you use an indoor aerial or an outdoor one, and what is the overall quality of your reception?

...

I have found an updated version to 1.1.2 and updated so lets see what transpires over the next couple of days ,It is just strange that it only ever effects the BBC channels still

Have you spoken to your neighbours, for example, about any problems they may be having with BBC reception on their normal TV sets? Perhaps your Hauppauge card is not suitable for your locale?

BC

Hi Basil ..

Well as far as the channel spacing goes we have 8Mhz between channels i have looked at the scanned results for the frequency and dont seem to have any that are almost sitting on each other .

As for signal quality well i can see the second biggest TV transmitter in the country if i look over the roof i have good HF VHF and UHF coverage everywhere except due west but noting that way as far a tv goes we also run 2 digital set top boxes in other rooms via an active splitter with no problem and untill this switch to 11.3 i never had a problem here either it is to say the least a strange one but no doubt sometime it will be sorted ..

Pete .

Well that did not last long BBC channels all gone again yet in the next room on the set top box all ok so it is definately something on the system itself watch this space . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34-12-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" 20:19 up 12:21, 3 users, load average: 0.15, 0.08, 0.09 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 03 Aug 2010 02:17:17 Basil Chupin wrote:

On 03/08/2010 05:20, Peter Nikolic wrote:

[pruned]

...

Well that did not last long BBC channels all gone again yet in the next room on the set top box all ok so it is definately something on the system itself watch this space .

Do you have some sort of screensaver active or power saver or some such? Seems that something is always cutting in after a predetermined period of time, no?

BC

Hi nope been there checked that and changed it all no change this really is strange now . i have now found one thing that is a direct effect of the problem and may be a pointer towards it but i will post that this evening i have to get my backside into gear and get moving this morning lots to do and no time to do it Dang VAT man and his short notice inspections .. Cheers Pete -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34-12-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" 08:20 up 11:21, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.05, 0.01 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 03 Aug 2010 08:41:40 Basil Chupin wrote:

On 03/08/2010 17:24, Peter Nikolic wrote:

...

On Tuesday 03 Aug 2010 02:17:17 Basil Chupin wrote:

...

On 03/08/2010 05:20, Peter Nikolic wrote:

[pruned]

...

Well that did not last long BBC channels all gone again yet in the next room on the set top box all ok so it is definately something on the system itself watch this space .

Do you have some sort of screensaver active or power saver or some such? Seems that something is always cutting in after a predetermined period of time, no?

BC

Hi

nope been there checked that and changed it all no change this really is strange now . i have now found one thing that is a direct effect of the problem and may be a pointer towards it but i will post that this evening

Please do. I have another person in another mail list which is using the same setup (re DVB-T card and vlc) and lives in GB and I have asked him to keep me posted about his results when it comes to viewing BBC channels.

...

i have to get my backside

into gear and get moving this morning lots to do and no time to do it Dang VAT man and his short notice inspections ..

Aaah..you haven't been keeping the "other, official" set of books up-to-date, eh? :-D .

Sorry, only a joke Joyce, only a joke! :-D

BC

Well i thought i had started to get a handle on this but seems it has just thrown another curved ball out . I had noticed that when it was in bumbo mode and not getting with the BBC if you call up the playlist right click on a channel pick information the codec you get a full breakdown of the incoming info well it had been losing that but no longer but still the infernal BBC stuf fades out but works in xine so it proves the card is ok .. No i have a friend that is an accountant and i sometimes help him out with bits of book keeping for clients that get surprise VAT man visits think we got this one licked now if only these idiots would keep things up to date these things would not happen Ho Humm but it all helps grease the golf prospects for next year .. and that is what matters to me . Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34-12-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" 21:09 up 1 day 0:10, 3 users, load average: 0.99, 0.86, 0.46 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 04 Aug 2010 02:18:17 Basil Chupin wrote:

On 04/08/2010 06:16, Peter Nikolic wrote:

[pruned]

...

Well i thought i had started to get a handle on this but seems it has just thrown another curved ball out .

I had noticed that when it was in bumbo mode and not getting with the BBC

Earlier I asked if you had some screensaver or similar which activates at a predetermined time. The basic question here really was: do you lose the BBC channels after a certain period(s) of time; have you been making notes about how long it takes before you lose the BBC? Five minutes, ten, twenty...?

Screen saver is off as is dpms and also if it were the screensaver thenit would effect all channels not just the BBC ones , The time it takes is not a definate period of time it can take hours or could be mineuts

For example, under Preferences>Playlist>Services Discovery there is an entry for SAP (whatever that is?) which is set to 1800 seconds. May this have something to do with it?

Thats to do with steaming over a network

Have you tried resetting the Preferences all to their default values?

Yep several times , and been in and done an rm on any cache or config files i could find to do with it .

One other thing - a very long shot. Did I read somewhere (BBC News Online?) that you in GB still have to buy a licence to view TV, is this correct? How would the guvvimint know if you have such a licence? Could they terminate a transmission to someone's place if they mistakenly thought that someone didn't have such a licence? (We dropped this TV licence nonsense some 40 years ago so I don't know how this works now but I do recall something about vans driving around - like theydid during WWII - looking for TV signals or something :-) .)

BC

Yes we still pay a license fee to recivev Tv and Radio but they have no way with terrestial stuff at the moment of switching individual sets off also if it was a license thing then i would loose it all Om on dropping it 40 odd years ago the BBC here is funded by the License fee they have no commercial income from things like advertising they are NON commercial no adds jumping in and screwing your viewing as we get with the commercial stations some of the you have a program that is supposed to be 1 hour long 25 mins of that is taken by darn commercials dont want more of that thanks Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34-12-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.4.4 (KDE 4.4.4) "release 2" 08:35 up 1 day 11:36, 3 users, load average: 0.21, 0.18, 0.13 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 04/08/2010 19:25, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 04/08/2010 17:45, Peter Nikolic wrote:

...

Screen saver is off as is dpms and also if it were the screensaver thenit would effect all channels not just the BBC ones , The time it takes is not a definate period of time it can take hours or could be mineuts

You really are in a pickle, aren't you? :-(

I simply cannot see how you are having this problem.

You did mention that your setup is your total Media Centre. Anything to do with the way this is set up? (grasping at straws....)

I am looking forward to the other GB person who is now trying to use vlc to tell me how he is coping with the BBC. I'll keep you informed of course.

For those who have been following this thread and wondering how things are progressing re the solution of this vlc problem, following the agreement by both people, I have now introduced this Peter to another person who also lives in the same country as Peter N which will enable them to work together to resolve this hassle. I have asked them to keep me informed of any progress made. But, I was also told by the "other", who is from another mail list, that he has vlc working perfectly under Linux - no problems at all with any channel. The only bug in the ointment, which to me seems to be the possible problem, is that Peter N is using openSUSE with KDE while the "other" person is using Ubuntu. (They both use the Windows Media Center [Windows7], both use the same make of DVB-T card, both have settop boxes in other rooms to watch TV on "proppa" TV sets...) I don't know, I am simply guessing, and I await a report sometime down the line about how the problem was resolved. BC -- If nothing happens, nothing can go wrong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 11/08/2010 01:38, Peter Nikolic wrote:

On Saturday 31 Jul 2010 22:36:35 Peter Nikolic wrote:

...

Hi ..

Well i dont even know how to begin this one as i have a feeling it is very region specific but here goes anyway.

I am using VLC to view TV my card is one of the Haupague cards i will be watching tv perfectly ok then for no reason it just stops displaying certain channels , These are all the BBC channels and it is spread across Tv and Radio but as i say only BBC stuff if i shut down VLC open it up again then rescan the channels it will be ok for maybe a day or so then the same thing happens .

No matter what i do it will not work with the previous playlist file nor using the xine channels.conf file

I have reported this on the VLC Linux forum as well

any ideas at all ? makes no sense at all to me .. purley because it only effects BBC stuff ..

Pete .

In reply to my own message problem solved i have got kaffeine working again guess what no more problems with lost channels so it is definately an VLC problem

Pete .

I am glad that your problem has been solved - but not by getting vlc to work for you rather by switching over to another app (but how about xine, have you tried xine yet?). From the private exchanges off the mail list between the 3 of us I thought that the conclusion appears to be that it's openSUSE (with KDE) which seems to be the bug in the ointment and not vlc because your countryman who is running, like myself, Ubuntu is not having any problems at all with vlc. BC -- Don't resent getting old - a great many are denied the privelege. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 11/08/2010 17:06, Peter Nikolic wrote:

On Wednesday 11 Aug 2010 07:42:28 Basil Chupin wrote:

...

I am glad that your problem has been solved - but not by getting vlc to work for you rather by switching over to another app (but how about xine, have you tried xine yet?).

From the private exchanges off the mail list between the 3 of us I thought that the conclusion appears to be that it's openSUSE (with KDE) which seems to be the bug in the ointment and not vlc because your countryman who is running, like myself, Ubuntu is not having any problems at all with vlc.

BC

Hi Basil.

I have tried xine and while it works it is for want of ma better description clunky the channel selection is poor the whole control setup needs a good looking over and i have to edit out a lot of fluff that gets into the channels.conf file

Hi Peter, This is something I do not understand re having "to edit out a lot of fluff [from] channels.conf". There is nothing to edit out. The channels. conf which is generated needs no further attention in any way. This same, identical, channels.conf is used by both vlc and xine. I have already given you the command line 'script' to generate this channels.conf and here it is again if you have forgotten it: /usr/bin/w_scan -c GB -X > channels.conf which will generate this file in your home directory. Copy this file into your ~/.xine directory - and away you go! And with regards to vlc, add the path to the end of the command to start vlc, as in vlc %U /home/<name>/.xine/channels.conf if you had copied channels.conf to the /.xine directory. I also said to you that if you want a copy of the setup file for xine then all you have to do is to ask for it - I've sent a copy to the other Peter so you can ask him for it as well. But you would need to make some adjustments to it to suit your installed devices (like your DVD/CDROM) and the correct path name to your home directory.

where as Kaffeine once again finds the channels no extra fluff or junk and bang works , There was a KDE base update that did the trick for me I am going to mail the other peter and see if he has updated his box and suggest he tries it see if it solves his Kaffeine problems as well .

Pete .

Now, ain't computers marvellous? :-) . I have, earlier today, installed Ubuntu 10.10 Alpha3 and installed kaffeine to see if it now meets with your statement above. kaffeine works - but it cannot produce sound for most of the HD channels! [1] xine and vlc have no hassles! but kaffeine - no, and I have even helped the maintainer to 'solve this problem' :-( . Nothing has changed for some 12 months re this for me :'( . Anyway, if you want the control file for xine either ask me or ask the other Peter for it. And if you want, I can even upload some screenshots to picpaste if you want to have some images to look at to help with setting vlc or xine up. [1] Out of curiosity, in kaffeine's Television>Configure Television>Device1>Source what entry do you have here for Source? and after you have selected the Source, did you then update it in General Options>Update Scan over the Internet? BC -- Don't resent getting old - a great many are denied the privelege. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 12/08/2010 20:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1

On 2010-08-12 08:48, Basil Chupin wrote:

...

There is nothing to edit out. The channels. conf which is generated needs no further attention in any way.

This same, identical, channels.conf is used by both vlc and xine.

I have already given you the command line 'script' to generate this channels.conf and here it is again if you have forgotten it:

/usr/bin/w_scan -c GB -X> channels.conf

which will generate this file in your home directory. Copy this file into your ~/.xine directory - and away you go!

Reminds me.

Some years ago I had a TV card in the computer, an analog card. It broke down one day. I bought another, a Haupage, digital and analog TV.

I couldn't make it work.

[pruned]

It would take some convincing to make me try a TV card for the computer again.

You are in Europe. Just "step over the border" :-) into Germany and get yourself the TechniSat SkyStar 2 DVB-T (or -C or -S) and I will guarantee that you will be fine. This card is specified to work with Linux. Now, I am in Australia and I am using it, and have been for ~6 years. You should be able to go for a short drive one afternoon and pick one up in Germany, right? :-) . BC -- Don't resent getting old - a great many are denied the privelege. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 13/08/2010 13:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2010-08-13 05:00, Basil Chupin wrote:

...

On 12/08/2010 20:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:

...

...

It would take some convincing to make me try a TV card for the computer again.

You are in Europe. Just "step over the border" :-) into Germany and get yourself the TechniSat SkyStar 2 DVB-T (or -C or -S) and I will guarantee that you will be fine. This card is specified to work with Linux.

Now, I am in Australia and I am using it, and have been for ~6 years. You should be able to go for a short drive one afternoon and pick one up in Germany, right? :-) .

Oh, yeah.

You people living on a large country like the US or Australia have a funny idea of what is a short trip for us! X'-)

It is 2500 Km, or 22 hours, according to google maps, from here to Berlin. Anything above 900 Km in a car is too much for me :-)

Ah, you Europeans are spoilt, and aren't what you used to be. With all those autobahns and you still cannot make it to Berlin and back in under 20 hours?! The cyclists competing in the Tour de France can do better. Look at what Hannibal did with his army, elephants, and all, in tow. Soft living, that's what it is....... :-D . (Anyway, you do have such a thing called "Postal Service", yes? :-) ) I'd be interested if you could let me know how much this card now costs in Euros. I paid AUD95 for it from the local importer/distributor (who, by coincidence, happens to live less than 10km away) when I bought mine. (And I think I told a lie in the earlier post: I think I've been using it for ~4 years and not the "~6 years" I mentioned.) BC -- Don't resent getting old - a great many are denied the privelege. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 2010-08-13 09:12, Jos van Kan wrote:

Basil Chupin schreef:

I live somewhat closer to Germany than Carlos, but there's no need to travel. The Technisat Skystar 2TV (I think that's the one you mean) costs € 40 on the web, the Technisat Skystar HD 2 (supports HD TV) costs between € 61 and € 86, depending on supplier. Postage within the Netherlands (and probably within the EU) included.

Like here, local for me: TechniSat Common Interface SkyStar HD2 <http://www.alternate.es/html/summaryListing.html?searchCriteria=Technisat+Skysta&cat1=074&cat2=000&cat3=001> Technisat Skysta, Categoría 'Tarjetas TV DVB-S (satélite)' <http://www.alternate.es/html/summaryListing.html?searchCriteria=Technisat+Skysta&cat1=074&cat2=291&cat3=000> Technisat Skysta, Categoría 'Tarjetas TV DVB-S2 (satélite)' <http://www.alternate.es/html/summaryListing.html?searchCriteria=Technisat+Skysta&cat1=074&cat2=292&cat3=000> This is the one, I think: TechniSat SkyStar HD2 59.90€ <http://www.alternate.es/html/product/Tarjetas_TV_DVB-S2_%28satelite%29/TechniSat/SkyStar_HD2/238865/?> But as I say, I don't intend to buy any tv card. I'm happy as [whatever] with my real tv system (a Gigaset M740AV I bought on a special offer, end of stock - and it runs a hackeable linux). -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))

On 2010-08-13 08:19, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 13/08/2010 13:55, Carlos E. R. wrote:

...

...

You should be able to go for a short drive one afternoon and pick one up in Germany, right? :-) .

Oh, yeah.

You people living on a large country like the US or Australia have a funny idea of what is a short trip for us! X'-)

It is 2500 Km, or 22 hours, according to google maps, from here to Berlin. Anything above 900 Km in a car is too much for me :-)

Ah, you Europeans are spoilt, and aren't what you used to be. With all those autobahns and you still cannot make it to Berlin and back in under 20 hours?! The cyclists competing in the Tour de France can do better. Look at what Hannibal did with his army, elephants, and all, in tow. Soft living, that's what it is....... :-D .

ROTFL! X'-) I lived for a period in Ottawa (Canada). I was astonished at how students would pick a car and use the winter break week to go down all the way to Florida for perhaps a two or three days stay. I assure you, real astonished. Of course I have done my mad things as a student... but that one is over my class of madness :-)

(Anyway, you do have such a thing called "Postal Service", yes? :-) )

Yes, so I'm told. Not very reliable now days, I'm afraid.

I'd be interested if you could let me know how much this card now costs in Euros. I paid AUD95 for it from the local importer/distributor (who, by coincidence, happens to live less than 10km away) when I bought mine. (And I think I told a lie in the earlier post: I think I've been using it for ~4 years and not the "~6 years" I mentioned.)

I just posted a link on another mail. The site is Spanish, but I believe that shop comes from Germany. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))