blabla wrote:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* blabla [01-20-05 23:01]:

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try as I may, I have not been able to install thunderbird 1.0 onto my suse 9.2 box. it works fine as root, but when i go in as normal user it keeps on crashing...

I believe that it was presented in the install directions how to deal with what you describe, but I _might_ be mistaken.

Thanks Patrick,

I thought I checked (unsuccessfully). Will look again.

Ingo

Either I am blind or I cannot find anything! Anybody out there where an install of Thunderbird worked? If so, how did you do it? Thanks in advance Ingo

* blabla [01-22-05 09:40]:

Either I am blind or I cannot find anything! Anybody out there where an install of Thunderbird worked?

I cannot find it now, either ??? You say it works as root but not as <user>. This would suggest that you have configuration problems in ~/.mozilla/<firebird>or<thunderbird> however the diorectory structure is. Run from the command-line, thurnerbird --help find command-line parameters to start w/o any configuration and initiate thunderbird with no configuration, ie: thunderbird --XX /dev/null If thunderbird works w/o configuration, you have your answer -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

Right, unistalled and installed again, tried the following procedure both with the tar.gz and rpm version. When logged in as root tb starts perfectly, if I link the shell script to the user and change permissions accordingly it crashes. Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Run from the command-line, thurnerbird --help find command-line parameters to start w/o any configuration and initiate thunderbird with no configuration, ie: thunderbird --XX /dev/null

If thunderbird works w/o configuration, you have your answer

Tried that but this is what I got: /usr/local/thunderbird # thunderbird --help bash: thunderbird: command not found Am I thick??? TB must be getting so many crash notifications from me I am surprised they haven't asked me not to bother anymore... On a different note - is there another mail programme that enables me to share pop3 mails between linux and win? cheers ingo

Bruce Marshall wrote:

On Sunday 23 January 2005 02:25 pm, blabla wrote:

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Tried that but this is what I got:

/usr/local/thunderbird # thunderbird --help bash: thunderbird: command not found

I'm betting you placed TB into /usr/local/thunderbird/ and then the command above should be:

/usr/local/thunderbird/thunderbird --help

Nope, afraid not. I wish it were so. And just so you can convince yourself: ingo@dicker:~/.mozilla/thunderbird> thunderbird --help bash: thunderbird: command not found ingo@dicker:~/.mozilla/thunderbird> ls chrome libldap50.so libsmime3.so mozilla-xremote-client components libmozjs.so libsoftokn3.chk README.txt components.ini libnspr4.so libsoftokn3.so res defaults libnss3.so libssl3.so run-mozilla.sh extensions libnssckbi.so libxpcom_compat.so thunderbird greprefs libplc4.so libxpcom.so thunderbird-bin icons libplds4.so libxpistub.so xpicleanup init.d libprldap50.so LICENSE.txt

Op zondag 23 januari 2005 21:40, schreef blabla:

Bruce Marshall wrote:

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I'm betting you placed TB into /usr/local/thunderbird/ and then the command above should be:

/usr/local/thunderbird/thunderbird --help

Nope, afraid not. I wish it were so. And just so you can convince yourself:

ingo@dicker:~/.mozilla/thunderbird> thunderbird --help bash: thunderbird: command not found ingo@dicker:~/.mozilla/thunderbird> ls

If "." (current directory) is not in your path (and that's a Good Thing for reasons I won't go into right now) then typing COMMAND won't work even if you are in COMMAND's directory. You must either specify <full path to command>/COMMAND or in the directory where COMMAND lives, type ./COMMAND Like Patrick, although fruitlessly, has been trying to tell you a number of times. What also works is a symbolic link in one of the directories in your path like (I'm making a wild guess here :-)) /usr/local/bin cd /usr/local/bin (as root) ln -s ../thunderbird/thunderbird Now it will work everywhere Best regards, -- Jos van Kan

* blabla [01-25-05 17:07]:

So here is the result of my labours as root after having installed the Suse 9.2 rpm as suggested by Patrick:

dicker:/opt/MozillaThunderbird/bin # ./thunderbird.sh DISPLAY empty or unusable DISPLAY=:0.0 dicker:/opt/MozillaThunderbird/bin #

Unfortunately I got no further...

and you will not. As has been explained several times here, root does not have access to the display when you have logged on as <user>. We can see that you are trying to initiate thunderbird as root by the command line prompt '#'. Try the above as <user> and, perhaps, you may succeed. It can be done also as root, but you must give root permission first, via sudo or 'sux', super-user w/X access. But, you were advised to utilize rpm, not work as root. Your first sentence above is somewhat mis-leading in that aspect. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

On Wednesday 26 January 2005 09:14, blabla wrote:

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* blabla [01-25-05 17:07]:

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So here is the result of my labours as root after having installed the Suse 9.2 rpm as suggested by Patrick:

dicker:/opt/MozillaThunderbird/bin # ./thunderbird.sh DISPLAY empty or unusable DISPLAY=:0.0 dicker:/opt/MozillaThunderbird/bin #

Unfortunately I got no further...

and you will not. As has been explained several times here, root does not have access to the display when you have logged on as <user>. We can see that you are trying to initiate thunderbird as root by the command line prompt '#'.

Try the above as <user> and, perhaps, you may succeed.

It can be done also as root, but you must give root permission first, via sudo or 'sux', super-user w/X access. But, you were advised to utilize rpm, not work as root. Your first sentence above is somewhat mis-leading in that aspect.

No, I did the rpm installation - only thing is it doesn't start so that is why I tried as root from the shell. Here is the result as user:

ingo@dicker:/opt/MozillaThunderbird/bin> ./thunderbird.sh Segmentation fault ingo@dicker:/opt/MozillaThunderbird/bin>

Could it be I got a faulty rpm?

Don't go about running graphical mail clients as root, though, will you? Can't be a good thing ... Best Fergus

Thanks

Ingo

-- Fergus Wilde Chetham's Library Long Millgate Manchester M3 1SB Tel: +44 161 834 7961 Fax: +44 161 839 5797 http://www.chethams.org.uk

Fergus Wilde wrote:

On Wednesday 26 January 2005 09:14, blabla wrote:

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ingo@dicker:/opt/MozillaThunderbird/bin> ./thunderbird.sh Segmentation fault ingo@dicker:/opt/MozillaThunderbird/bin>

Could it be I got a faulty rpm?

Maybe. Sometimes the Pixies break bits off to spite travellers.

My successful installation consists of:

1) D'load ftp://ftp.plig.org/pub/suse/i386/update/9.2/rpm/i586/MozillaThunderbird-0.8-5.2.i586.rpm MozillaThunderbird-0.8-5.2.i586.rpm Any mirror will do, that just happens to be a UK one I like.

2) # rpm -Uvh MozillaThunderbird-0.8-5.2.i586.rpm

3) SuSEconfig

4) exit rootshell - don't run graphical programmes as root, particularly things like mail clients and web browsers. It's not safe.

4) $ thunderbird

Programme starts faultlessly. HTH Fergus

Thanks Fergus, I've now tried TB 0.8-5.2, 1.0-0.1 and 1.0-2 rpms and all of them have this segmentation thing. I installed them from kdesu konqueror which up to now has successfully installed every single rpm I wanted. I am curious as to what is happening and I won't run graphical programmes as root again - promise... I shall now try to install the rpms logged in as root rather than use kdesu konqueror. Perhaps that helps. Thanks for your advice Ingo

Hi All, Have I been wasting precious keystrokes again??? Fergus Wilde wrote: <snip>

My successful installation consists of:

1) D'load ftp://ftp.plig.org/pub/suse/i386/update/9.2/rpm/i586/MozillaThunderbird-0.8-5.2.i586.rpm MozillaThunderbird-0.8-5.2.i586.rpm Any mirror will do, that just happens to be a UK one I like.

2) # rpm -Uvh MozillaThunderbird-0.8-5.2.i586.rpm

Or should there actually be an "ldconfig" here?

3) SuSEconfig

Or should it be here, where apt4rpm runs it after running SuSEconfig?

4) exit rootshell - don't run graphical programmes as root, particularly things like mail clients and web browsers. It's not safe.

4) $ thunderbird <snip>

And why do I always walk away from reading everyone's posts here feeling more humbled and less confident than when I first sat down at my computer? (Sorry. I know. OT.) Have a great day, everybody! - Carl -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.4 - Release Date: 1/25/05

On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 20:25 +0100, blabla wrote:

Right,

unistalled and installed again, tried the following procedure both with the tar.gz and rpm version.

When logged in as root tb starts perfectly, if I link the shell script to the user and change permissions accordingly it crashes.

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Run from the command-line, thurnerbird --help find command-line parameters to start w/o any configuration and initiate thunderbird with no configuration, ie: thunderbird --XX /dev/null

If thunderbird works w/o configuration, you have your answer

Tried that but this is what I got:

/usr/local/thunderbird # thunderbird --help bash: thunderbird: command not found

Assuming you are in /usr/local/thunderbird, then try typing ./thunderbird --help If you are somewhere else, such as your home directory: /usr/local/thunderbird/thunderbird --help David -- Registered Linux User No 207521 The Linux Counter: http://counter.li.org/ "The above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head."

David Robertson wrote:

On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 23:01 +0300, David Robertson wrote:

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/thunderbird --help

Sorry - lost the . That should be

./thunderbird --help

Aahhhh!!!! Now that's what I call amazing! Gonna have a read now. Who knows, might be able to tame the bastard after all... Cheers! Ingo

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* blabla [01-23-05 15:42]:

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Aahhhh!!!! Now that's what I call amazing! Gonna have a read now. Who knows, might be able to tame the bastard after all...

The 'bastard' is tame, tis the trainer with problems!

don't i know it...

* blabla [01-23-05 14:26]:

unistalled and installed again, tried the following procedure both with the tar.gz and rpm version.

When logged in as root tb starts perfectly, if I link the shell script to the user and change permissions accordingly it crashes.

unlink your added link to <user> report result of: ls -l `which thunderbird` (those are back-tic's)

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Run from the command-line, thurnerbird --help find command-line parameters to start w/o any configuration and initiate thunderbird with no configuration, ie: thunderbird --XX /dev/null

If thunderbird works w/o configuration, you have your answer

Tried that but this is what I got:

/usr/local/thunderbird # thunderbird --help bash: thunderbird: command not found

/usr/local/thunderbird is more than likely not in your PATH and does not lead to the executable. I do not use thunderbird, but there *probably* should be a link '/usr/bin/thunderbird' to the executable and it *should* be executable by *all*.

On a different note - is there another mail programme that enables me to share pop3 mails between linux and win?

I do not know why anyone would want to, but yes, with minor manipulation, mutt, kmail, mozilla, netscape and several other should. Looks like you are using mozilla now. It is/was capable of sharing with windoz. I have used mutt for so long now that I am not very familiar with the other clients (except a little kmail that my wife uses). I can just add soft links into my ~/mail/ directory and see/use other mailboxes, even to a vfat partition. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

blabla wrote:

Either I am blind or I cannot find anything! Anybody out there where an install of Thunderbird worked?

If so, how did you do it?

when i switched over to linux from windows, i took my thunderbird profile with... the whole thing.. and i had a prolem that sounds similar to yours. so i dumped tb for kmail for a while... then i carefully removed my mail from the profile directories, and then deleted the whole ~/.thunderbird directory, and completely removed thunderbird as well. then i reinstalled thunderbird from the apt repositories (since it doesn't seem to come on the cds ... moan moan), and recreated all my mail accounts... and i've just spent yesterday and this morning copying all my mail across. but everything seems fine now. hope this helps. raoul.