[opensuse] Various Novell clients for Linux
Anyone know the status of the Novell IPrint Client and Netware Clients for openSUSE? The IPrint client does seem to work ok. But it is never included with openSUSE. The Netware client is more of a mystery. http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/19968.html implies that with fiddling it can work with 10.2, 10.3 and 11.0. But why not a proper package for the releases of openSUSE? I understand that Novell would like to sell things. I work at a place with a Netware site license - we have already bought everything. It is everywhere. Except on any openSUSE clients. Is the idea that folk who want to work in a strictly MS environment are fine with openSUSE (Novell +MS deal helps ensure that), but folk who want to work in a Netware environment are not in as good a position to be integrated with Netware? Something seems odd about that. I can only interpret the continued lack of real releases of these clients for the releases of openSUSE to mean that Novell are not as interested in Netware integration of openSUSE as they are of MS integration. I can join a Windows active domain via Yast. I can do nothing to integrate with Netware. How odd. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about large city with all constructions finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Have you tried using SLED instead of openSUSE. This is Novells version of SUSE, the Novell client works fine on SLED it isn't installed by default but you don't have to hack anything once you have it installed it. "SAVE THE PLANET - PLEASE DO NOT PRINT THIS EMAIL UNLESS STRICTLY NECESSARY"
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Anyone know the status of the Novell IPrint Client and Netware Clients for openSUSE? The IPrint client does seem to work ok. But it is never included with openSUSE. The Netware client is more of a mystery. http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/19968.html implies that with fiddling it can work with 10.2, 10.3 and 11.0. But why not a proper package for the releases of openSUSE? I understand that Novell would like to sell things. I work at a place with a Netware site license - we have already bought everything. It is everywhere. Except on any openSUSE clients. Is the idea that folk who want to work in a strictly MS environment are fine with openSUSE (Novell +MS deal helps ensure that), but folk who want to work in a Netware environment are not in as good a position to be integrated with Netware? Something seems odd about that. I can only interpret the continued lack of real releases of these clients for the releases of openSUSE to mean that Novell are not as interested in Netware integration of openSUSE as they are of MS integration. I can join a Windows active domain via Yast. I can do nothing to integrate with Netware. How odd. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about large city with all constructions finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Nov 27 10:19 Roger Oberholtzer wrote (shortened):
Anyone know the status of the Novell IPrint Client and Netware Clients for openSUSE? The IPrint client does seem to work ok. But it is never included with openSUSE.
Da openSUSE nur freie Software enthält, ist iPrint nicht dabei. - Der iPrint Server ist proprietär und kostenpflichtig. - Der iPrint Client ist proprietär und fast so "frei" wie der Adobe Reader. Gruß Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex
Hello, my reply should have been in English: On Nov 27 14:56 Johannes Meixner wrote (shortened):
On Nov 27 10:19 Roger Oberholtzer wrote (shortened):
Anyone know the status of the Novell IPrint Client and Netware Clients for openSUSE? The IPrint client does seem to work ok. But it is never included with openSUSE.
Da openSUSE nur freie Software enthält, ist iPrint nicht dabei. - Der iPrint Server ist proprietär und kostenpflichtig. - Der iPrint Client ist proprietär und fast so "frei" wie der Adobe Reader.
Because openSUSE provides free software, iPrint is not included. - The iPrint server is proprietary and you must pay for it. - The iPrint client is proprietary and almost as "free" as the Adobe Reader. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 14:59 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
my reply should have been in English:
On Nov 27 14:56 Johannes Meixner wrote (shortened):
On Nov 27 10:19 Roger Oberholtzer wrote (shortened):
Anyone know the status of the Novell IPrint Client and Netware Clients for openSUSE? The IPrint client does seem to work ok. But it is never included with openSUSE.
Da openSUSE nur freie Software enthält, ist iPrint nicht dabei. - Der iPrint Server ist proprietär und kostenpflichtig. - Der iPrint Client ist proprietär und fast so "frei" wie der Adobe Reader.
Because openSUSE provides free software, iPrint is not included. - The iPrint server is proprietary and you must pay for it. - The iPrint client is proprietary and almost as "free" as the Adobe Reader.
I guess it does not have to be included any more than other things like nvidia drivers or MS fonts are. I am very flexible about the mechanism for obtaining this. I am just confused about the non-availability - there is nothing to be obtained. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about large city with all constructions finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 16:04 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I am just confused about the non-availability - there is nothing to be obtained.
I think you seem to miss the point that OpenSuse (The one for the community not the enterprise), while I'm sure some Novell people work on it, is not supported by Novell. No guarantees made by Novell for opensuse. Why do you expect Novell to make software that is not free work on a free unsupported platform? Why are you running opensuse in an enterprise any way? -- Michael S. Dunsavage -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 17:26 -0500, Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 16:04 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I am just confused about the non-availability - there is nothing to be obtained.
I think you seem to miss the point that OpenSuse (The one for the community not the enterprise), while I'm sure some Novell people work on it, is not supported by Novell. No guarantees made by Novell for opensuse. Why do you expect Novell to make software that is not free work on a free unsupported platform?
openSUSE is not supported by Novell?
Why are you running opensuse in an enterprise any way?
You miss the point. I am willing to buy the package for openSUSE. Our company already has a site license for all Novell products. The issue is not cost. My reasoning: I see Novell actions generally as trying to remove the obstacles to using Linux as apposed to Windows. The long term benefits of a larger user base outweigh the immediate costs of making these improvements. The main point: This is not the case when it comes to, say, the Netware client. I can install Windows, for which Novell gets ZIP cash. I can then go to Novell's site and download the Netware client for free. In the total transaction, Novell gets nothing. Except a user who can easily access a Netware server - which is a good thing for Novell as they want to sell Netware servers and servers need clients. I can also choose to install openSUSE, for which Novell also gets ZIP cash (exactly the same as Windows). However, I CANNOT go to Novell's site and download the Netware client for free OR even for a cost! But we now have a user who cannot easily access a Netware server - which is a bad thing for Novell as there is no client looking for a Novell server. And, funny enough, as a consequence of other Novell actions, this user CAN access MS servers - meaning more MS server clients, but lost potential of Novell server clients. Message from Novell: if you want to run a Novell client, install Windows, not openSUSE. This is my confusion. Surely Novell have some sort of an investment in getting people to adopt openSUSE over having them install Windows. openSUSE could be seen as an enabler Linux. After that works, people may pay for the stronger Linux. Windows users are a fact of life and there are many of them. So Novell must provide the client. But why don't they do the same for openSUSE?
Why are you running opensuse in an enterprise any way?
It is not used at the enterprise level. I use it on my desktop at work. Of course, if it worked well for me there, there are 8000 other desktops in this Novell-using company, some of which could consider using Linux. Our fluid dynamics guys in Denmark just announced that they are very happy with OpenFLOW and will be setting up some Linux machines in a cluster to run it. They currently run it in a vmware linux guest that is hosted on Windows. The interest is there. But it has to work in a Novell environment as well as a Windows environment. And, yes, it would probably be the Enterprise version that Novell supplies as they would want the stability, and are already pro-Novell. But this is an engineering consulting firm. Engineers like to play. openSUSE better satisfies that for some. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about large city with all constructions finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I think you seem to miss the point that OpenSuse (The one for the community not the enterprise), while I'm sure some Novell people work on it, is not supported by Novell. No guarantees made by Novell for opensuse. Why do you expect Novell to make software that is not free work on a free unsupported platform?
openSUSE is not supported by Novell?
It is not is technical terms, openSUSE support their own product maybe Novell support openSUSE financially
Why are you running opensuse in an enterprise any way?
You miss the point. I am willing to buy the package for openSUSE. Our company already has a site license for all Novell products. The issue is not cost.
It doesn't matter if you buy openSUSE as this would only buy you support for openSUSE Linux and not support from Novell. You are getting confused as to what openSUSE is aimed at: openSUSE is a linux operating systems aimed at the linux community, ie using as a server for Windows clients, a stand alone desktop PC, or a client of a Windows AD. It is not aimed at been used in a Novell enterprise network, yes you can get it to work in a Novell enterprise with a bit of hacking. Novell put money into openSUSE but not to use openSUSE in their network environments. The support you would get would be on openSUSE and not on any Novell integration or products. SUSE Linux Enterprise Server/Desktop(SLES/SLED) is a linux operating system aimed at been used in a Novell enterprise network. It is a version of openSUSE repackaged with extras used for Novell products. Support would include the operating system and if you have a site license all you Novell product integration. I understand that you like to play with other operating systems i am the same but i would suggest if you have a site license use the Novell product you will get full support for what you want to do, and Novell forums are full of people using this product who can help you out. "SAVE THE PLANET - PLEASE DO NOT PRINT THIS EMAIL UNLESS STRICTLY NECESSARY" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Nov 27 16:04 Roger Oberholtzer wrote (shortened):
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 14:59 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote:
On Nov 27 10:19 Roger Oberholtzer wrote (shortened):
Anyone know the status of the Novell IPrint Client and Netware Clients for openSUSE? The IPrint client does seem to work ok. But it is never included with openSUSE.
Because openSUSE provides free software, iPrint is not included. - The iPrint server is proprietary and you must pay for it. - The iPrint client is proprietary and almost as "free" as the Adobe Reader.
I guess it does not have to be included any more than other things like nvidia drivers or MS fonts are. I am very flexible about the mechanism for obtaining this. I am just confused about the non-availability - there is nothing to be obtained.
I used in Google this search string novell iPrint client RPM site:novell.com clicked on the first match http://www.novell.com/documentation/oes/iprint_nw/index.html?page=/documenta... and found there the exact RPM names novell-iprint-xclient-sh-version.i586.rpm novell-iprint-xclient-sl-version.i586.rpm and the explanation ------------------------------------------------------ You can download and install the iPrint Client from the iPrint Printer List Web page that resides on the server where the Print Manager is loaded. ------------------------------------------------------ I.e. when you need the iPrint Client, there must be somewhere also an iPrint server (otherwise you don't need an iPrint Client) and then you can download and install the iPrint Client from the iPrint server (more precisely from where the Print Manager is loaded). If the server where the Print Manager is loaded does not provide you an appropriate iPrint Client RPM (e.g. only outdated stuff but nothing for openSUSE 11.0 or for whatever other current Linux distributions), you must ask the admin of the server where the Print Manager is loaded. What a nonsense that users should download and install software form whatever other server before they can get access to a service on such another server. Obviously those users must have unlimited trust in those unknown software form an unknown other server because installing a RPM must be done as root so that those unknown software form an unknown other server has unlimited permissions on the users own system. Welcome to the nice world of proprietary software ;-) When you do not need printing to secure iPrint queues (i.e. queues where an authentication dialog is needed) you may not need the iPrint Client at all because a non-secure queue on an iPrint server should be accessible via plain IPP protocol so that all you need to know is the exact IPP DeviceURI and the printer model to set up a usual local CUPS queue on the client system with a matching driver for the printer model. Basically - as far as I know - a non-secure queue on an iPrint server behaves like a network printer which is accessible via IPP protocol, see http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/doc-1.4/network.html "Internet Printing Protocol (IPP)" Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 09:30 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote:
When you do not need printing to secure iPrint queues (i.e. queues where an authentication dialog is needed) you may not need the iPrint Client at all because a non-secure queue on an iPrint server should be accessible via plain IPP protocol so that all you need to know is the exact IPP DeviceURI and the printer model to set up a usual local CUPS queue on the client system with a matching driver for the printer model. Basically - as far as I know - a non-secure queue on an iPrint server behaves like a network printer which is accessible via IPP protocol, see http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/doc-1.4/network.html "Internet Printing Protocol (IPP)"
I have added the printers via Yast as well. The only advantage of the iprint interface is that the printer-specific queues are defined. If I do it by hand (yast), I need to hunt down the printer admin guy and ask him what they queues are called. Otherwise, for me, both methods seem to work just fine. I am now trying to find out why CUPS does not find all the IPP printers. I am not sure that their presence is being broadcast. It is a question for the local printer admin guy. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about a large city with all construction finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Nov 28 10:10 Roger Oberholtzer wrote (shortened):
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 09:30 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote:
When you do not need printing to secure iPrint queues (i.e. queues where an authentication dialog is needed) you may not need the iPrint Client at all because a non-secure queue on an iPrint server should be accessible via plain IPP protocol so that all you need to know is the exact IPP DeviceURI and the printer model to set up a usual local CUPS queue on the client system with a matching driver for the printer model. Basically - as far as I know - a non-secure queue on an iPrint server behaves like a network printer which is accessible via IPP protocol, see http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/doc-1.4/network.html "Internet Printing Protocol (IPP)"
I have added the printers via Yast as well. The only advantage of the iprint interface is that the printer-specific queues are defined. If I do it by hand (yast), I need to hunt down the printer admin guy and ask him what they queues are called. Otherwise, for me, both methods seem to work just fine.
I am now trying to find out why CUPS does not find all the IPP printers. I am not sure that their presence is being broadcast. It is a question for the local printer admin guy.
As far as I know an iPrint server does not do CUPS-style queue broadcasting (so called CUPS Browsing) so that a cupsd on a client system is not notified by an iPrint server about its queues. As far as I see such a notification would not make senes because an iPrint server does not do any filtering of print job data (in particular no printer driver runs on an iPrint server) so that it doesn't work to simply send e.g. PostScript documents to a queue on an iPrint server because there is nothing on the iPrint server which would convert the PostScript into the printer's native language (e.g. PCL but even for a PostScript printer at least the printer specific option settings must be added to the PostScript data), see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell#The_Filter See above: "Basically - as far as I know - a non-secure queue on an iPrint server behaves like a network printer which is accessible via IPP protocol" i.e. a queue on iPrint server is a "raw" queue. Therefore one must set up a local queue with a matching driver for the printer model on each(!) client system and then the applications on the client systems must use only those local queues so that it would even lead to confusion if additionally the "raw" queues on the iPrint server would also directly accessible on the client systems. As far as I know CUPS Browsing is an enhancement by CUPS and not a generic or mandatory part of IPP. Regarding CUPS Browsing see http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell "Intrinsic design of CUPS for printing in the network" in particular ------------------------------------------------------------- Configuration of the clients: ... Start cupsd. ... Under normal circumstances, you should not configure anything else, especially * no local queues on clients and * no changes in the default settings for cupsd on clients. ------------------------------------------------------------- At least from my point of view configuring CUPS for printing in the network seems to be much easier and much more secure for the client systems than anything else which I know about. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 10:33 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote:
As far as I know CUPS Browsing is an enhancement by CUPS and not a generic or mandatory part of IPP.
Makes sense. Our printers are postscript. So I thought the driver issue would be a non-issue. Since the iprinter admin has not added linux drivers for all queues, I cannot add all printers via the iprint interface. Yast to the rescue! What made me think that the iprint server might be able to broadcast printers is that the queue is defined as: iprint://sto-print.ramse.ramboll-group.global.network/ipp/STO-6S-G3500-PS?type=ipp The ipp in the URI made me curious. Thanks for the info. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about a large city with all construction finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 09:30 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
On Nov 27 16:04 Roger Oberholtzer wrote (shortened):
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 14:59 +0100, Johannes Meixner wrote:
On Nov 27 10:19 Roger Oberholtzer wrote (shortened):
Anyone know the status of the Novell IPrint Client and Netware Clients for openSUSE? The IPrint client does seem to work ok. But it is never included with openSUSE.
Because openSUSE provides free software, iPrint is not included. - The iPrint server is proprietary and you must pay for it. - The iPrint client is proprietary and almost as "free" as the Adobe Reader.
I guess it does not have to be included any more than other things like nvidia drivers or MS fonts are. I am very flexible about the mechanism for obtaining this. I am just confused about the non-availability - there is nothing to be obtained.
I used in Google this search string
Iprint is not really the problem. Just curious why these are not in a repository, or even a one-click install in some web page. Along with the netware client, ifolder, and whatever other Novell things that Novell would like folk to use. If the RPMs are available, why not via this great openSUSE setup? My real issue is with the netware client availability in general. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about a large city with all construction finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hi, sorry for the late answer, but I'm only slowly catching up with some mailinglists. On Nov 27, 08 10:19:28 +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Anyone know the status of the Novell IPrint Client and Netware Clients for openSUSE? The IPrint client does seem to work ok. But it is never included with openSUSE. The Netware client is more of a mystery. http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/19968.html implies that with fiddling it can work with 10.2, 10.3 and 11.0. But why not a proper package for the releases of openSUSE?
A "proper release" is planned, as far as I know, but the team working on it had some troubles with crashes and other stuff. Give them some time, please.
I understand that Novell would like to sell things. I work at a place with a Netware site license - we have already bought everything. It is everywhere. Except on any openSUSE clients. Is the idea that folk who want to work in a strictly MS environment are fine with openSUSE (Novell +MS deal helps ensure that), but folk who want to work in a Netware environment are not in as good a position to be integrated with Netware?
No. From what I know, this is not the intention. Being propriatery, they cannot release the NCL on openSUSE. But everything is done that it will work. And yes, to avoid the comment, there's no download location yet. I know that there are thoughts about how to provide it best. Sorry, I don't know details, but I hope to have given you some informations you did not have yet. (All above is for the Novell Client for Linux, not for iPrint. I have no information there, except that there are also some discussions ongoing). Stefan -- Stefan Behlert, SUSE LINUX - a Novell business, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 22:00 +0100, Stefan Behlert wrote:
Being propriatery, they cannot release the NCL on openSUSE.
You mean they can't release it on the CD? Or not at all? Other proprietary software is released for openSUSE. -- Michael S. Dunsavage -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sorry for top post sent from blackberry. 11.1 has done away with EULA, and now they do not have any proprietary packages shipped with the distro. However, I think it _should_ be in non-oss online repositories. On 12/11/08, Michael S. Dunsavage <mikesd1@verizon.net> wrote:
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 22:00 +0100, Stefan Behlert wrote:
Being propriatery, they cannot release the NCL on openSUSE.
You mean they can't release it on the CD? Or not at all? Other proprietary software is released for openSUSE.
-- Michael S. Dunsavage
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On Dec 11, 08 20:53:31 -0500, Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 22:00 +0100, Stefan Behlert wrote:
Being propriatery, they cannot release the NCL on openSUSE.
You mean they can't release it on the CD? Or not at all? Other
Not on CD, as openSUSE 11.1 is without any proprietary software. Stefan -- Stefan Behlert, SUSE LINUX - a Novell business, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 10:06 +0100, Stefan Behlert wrote:
On Dec 11, 08 20:53:31 -0500, Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
On Thu, 2008-12-11 at 22:00 +0100, Stefan Behlert wrote:
Being propriatery, they cannot release the NCL on openSUSE.
You mean they can't release it on the CD? Or not at all? Other
Not on CD, as openSUSE 11.1 is without any proprietary software.
Stefan -- Stefan Behlert, SUSE LINUX - a Novell business,
OOC, what sort of instructions are given to admins who set up Novell iprint servers? Specifically about drivers for various platforms. I can add printers on Linux via our iprint web page only if the admin has added drivers on the iprint server for that printer for Linux. What are the Linux drivers that are to be added? Will the Linux iprint client actually get some code from the iprint server and install it on my Linux computer so it is available via CUPS? I could prod reluctant iprint server admins about this if I know what they should be installing. One of our admins has this sorted and has been cooperative. But there are others out there. So I would like to know what they should be doing. -- Roger Oberholtzer OPQ Systems / Ramböll RST Ramböll Sverige AB Krukmakargatan 21 P.O. Box 17009 SE-104 62 Stockholm, Sweden Office: Int +46 8-615 60 20 Mobile: Int +46 70-815 1696 -- "On two occasions I have been asked (by members of Parliament!), 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. - Charles Babbage 1791-1871) English computer pioneer, philosopher And remember: It is RSofT and there is always something under construction. It is like talking about a large city with all construction finished. Not impossible, but very unlikely. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Ben Kevan -
Edwin Caveney -
Johannes Meixner -
Michael S. Dunsavage -
Roger Oberholtzer -
Stefan Behlert