I have noticed an intermittent problem on my OpenSuSE 15.3 and 15.4 x64 systems running KDE/Plasma desktop and I wonder if others are seeing it also and what can be done to fix it. Cut/Copy and Paste does not always work. Particularly noticeable in Firefox and Thunderbird, though Kate, Emacs, LibreOffice and other apps as well, display the problem. I select a string of characters from somewhere, even within an app itself, like Thunderbird, right click the mouse to Copy or Cut the selection, then try an paste it either somewhere back in the app itself, or in some other app, and the paste operation fails. It acts and if there is nothing to paste and the paste menu item remains grayed out and unusable. Sometime Ctrl V works and sometimes not. I usually double check what's in the the Clipboard KDE/Plasma to make sure that what I tried to Copy or Cut is at the top of the clipboard app, and it always is. Kinda annoying and sometimes it is impossible to get the Cut/Copy and Paste to work at all. Sometimes it does work and I have no idea why or what causes the Cut/Copy and Paste to work in some cases and not in others. Any ideas? Thanks in advance as always.... Marc...
Marc Chamberlin composed on 2023-01-20 17:14 (UTC-0800):
I have no idea why or what causes the Cut/Copy and Paste to work in some cases and not in others. Any ideas?
Happens to me sometimes too. Annoying. At least I'm not the only one. :p When something won't accept a particular paste, I find someplace else that will, then copy from there to paste in the stubborn destination. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 2023-01-21 02:35, Felix Miata wrote:
Marc Chamberlin composed on 2023-01-20 17:14 (UTC-0800):
I have no idea why or what causes the Cut/Copy and Paste to work in some cases and not in others. Any ideas?
Happens to me sometimes too. Annoying. At least I'm not the only one. :p When something won't accept a particular paste, I find someplace else that will, then copy from there to paste in the stubborn destination.
You must remember that in X there are two different copy paste mechanisms, and they can can interfere. Sometimes you have to press and hold the shift key. In applications like Thunderbird you have to select with the mouse, then hit ctrl-c to copy to the buffer. That activates Thunderbird own copy-paste, which you see in the menu and in _some_ compatible apps. If you don't hit ctrl-c, you are using the X own copy-paste mechanism. And then, the desktop may have its own ideas. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 1/20/23 19:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You must remember that in X there are two different copy paste mechanisms, and they can can interfere. Sometimes you have to press and hold the shift key.
The two buffers are: 1) copy buffer - normal ctrl+c goes there 2) select buffer - highlighted text is placed in the select-buffer and can be pasted with the middle-mouse-click. (applications that use text highlight as part of the UI, like mc, require shift+select to place text in the select-buffer) Additionally, with FF72 the copy behavior of the URL bar changed. Prior to FF72, clicking in the URL bar would highlight the URL and place it in the select-buffer automatically. From FF72 on, clicking the URL had no effect and ctrl+c was required to actually place the text in the copy-buffer. This was an incredible PITA at first, but it did bring FF consistency across all desktops. Just remembering a ctrl+c was needed was quite painful after 20 years of click and middle-mouse-paste.... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 1/20/23 18:50, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 1/20/23 19:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You must remember that in X there are two different copy paste mechanisms, and they can can interfere. Sometimes you have to press and hold the shift key.
The two buffers are:
1) copy buffer - normal ctrl+c goes there
2) select buffer - highlighted text is placed in the select-buffer and can be pasted with the middle-mouse-click.
(applications that use text highlight as part of the UI, like mc, require shift+select to place text in the select-buffer)
Additionally, with FF72 the copy behavior of the URL bar changed. Prior to FF72, clicking in the URL bar would highlight the URL and place it in the select-buffer automatically. From FF72 on, clicking the URL had no effect and ctrl+c was required to actually place the text in the copy-buffer.
This was an incredible PITA at first, but it did bring FF consistency across all desktops. Just remembering a ctrl+c was needed was quite painful after 20 years of click and middle-mouse-paste....
Thanks all for confirming that this Cut/Copy and Paste issue is a common problem and not unique to me. At least now I know that it is not due to some setting mistake I made somewhere. I have been using most of the workarounds suggested, which IS indeed a PITA! I don't know how to characterize this in a repeatable fashion, for a bug report, but I searched and found a similar bug report and added my 2 cents worth as a comment. https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1146018 Marc... -- *"The Truth is out there" - Spooky* *_ _ . . . . . . _ _ . _ _ _ _ . . . . _ . . . . _ _ . _ _ _ . . . . _ _ . _ . . _ . _ _ _ _ . _ . _ . _ . _ . * Computers: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the user Marc. His mission: to explore strange new hardware. To seek out new software and new applications. To boldly go where no Marc has gone before! (/This email is digitally signed and the OpenPGP electronic signature is added as an attachment. If you know how, you can use my public key to prove this email indeed came from me and has not been modified in transit. My public key, which can be used for sending encrypted email to me also, can be found at - https://keys.openpgp.org/search?q=marc@marcchamberlin.com or just ask me for it and I will send it to you as an attachment. If you don't understand all this geek speak, no worries, just ignore this explanation and ignore the OpenPGP signature key attached to this email (it will look like gibberish if you open it) and/or ask me to explain it further if you like./)
On 2023-01-22 18:31, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
On 1/20/23 18:50, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 1/20/23 19:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
You must remember that in X there are two different copy paste mechanisms, and they can can interfere. Sometimes you have to press and hold the shift key.
The two buffers are:
1) copy buffer - normal ctrl+c goes there
2) select buffer - highlighted text is placed in the select-buffer and can be pasted with the middle-mouse-click.
(applications that use text highlight as part of the UI, like mc, require shift+select to place text in the select-buffer)
Additionally, with FF72 the copy behavior of the URL bar changed. Prior to FF72, clicking in the URL bar would highlight the URL and place it in the select-buffer automatically. From FF72 on, clicking the URL had no effect and ctrl+c was required to actually place the text in the copy-buffer.
This was an incredible PITA at first, but it did bring FF consistency across all desktops. Just remembering a ctrl+c was needed was quite painful after 20 years of click and middle-mouse-paste....
Thanks all for confirming that this Cut/Copy and Paste issue is a common problem and not unique to me. At least now I know that it is not due to some setting mistake I made somewhere. I have been using most of the workarounds suggested, which IS indeed a PITA! I don't know how to characterize this in a repeatable fashion, for a bug report, but I searched and found a similar bug report and added my 2 cents worth as a comment. https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1146018
What I described is not a bug. It is a feature. Two features, actually, which can conflict with one another at times. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 1/22/23 11:31, Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Thanks all for confirming that this Cut/Copy and Paste issue is a common problem and not unique to me. At least now I know that it is not due to some setting mistake I made somewhere. I have been using most of the workarounds suggested, which IS indeed a PITA! I don't know how to characterize this in a repeatable fashion, for a bug report, but I searched and found a similar bug report and added my 2 cents worth as a comment. https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1146018
Marc...
Been using the same KDE for 15 years -- never had this problem... (that's KDE3 :) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
David C. Rankin composed on 2023-01-23 21:19 (UTC-0600):
Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Thanks all for confirming that this Cut/Copy and Paste issue is a common problem and not unique to me. At least now I know that it is not due to some setting mistake I made somewhere. I have been using most of the workarounds suggested, which IS indeed a PITA! I don't know how to characterize this in a repeatable fashion, for a bug report, but I searched and found a similar bug report and added my 2 cents worth as a comment. https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1146018
Been using the same KDE for 15 years -- never had this problem...
(that's KDE3 :)
KDE3 here too, and the problem here is common, particularly trying to paste into a reply input form opened in SeaMonkey { GTK3 :( } on forums.opensuse.org, and from SeaMonkey into KSirc. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 2023-01-24 04:28, Felix Miata wrote:
David C. Rankin composed on 2023-01-23 21:19 (UTC-0600):
Marc Chamberlin wrote:
Thanks all for confirming that this Cut/Copy and Paste issue is a common problem and not unique to me. At least now I know that it is not due to some setting mistake I made somewhere. I have been using most of the workarounds suggested, which IS indeed a PITA! I don't know how to characterize this in a repeatable fashion, for a bug report, but I searched and found a similar bug report and added my 2 cents worth as a comment. https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1146018
Been using the same KDE for 15 years -- never had this problem...
(that's KDE3 :)
KDE3 here too, and the problem here is common, particularly trying to paste into a reply input form opened in SeaMonkey { GTK3 :( } on forums.opensuse.org, and from SeaMonkey into KSirc.
The two, different, paste mechanisms are as ancient as X. Well, maybe the second one started with big apps like Netscape having their own private paste system. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
On 1/23/23 21:28, Felix Miata wrote:
KDE3 here too, and the problem here is common, particularly trying to paste into a reply input form opened in SeaMonkey { GTK3 :( } on forums.opensuse.org, and from SeaMonkey into KSirc.
Gt_cludge_3 -- enough said... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 1/24/23 18:07, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 1/23/23 21:28, Felix Miata wrote:
KDE3 here too, and the problem here is common, particularly trying to paste into a reply input form opened in SeaMonkey { GTK3 :( } on forums.opensuse.org, and from SeaMonkey into KSirc.
Gt_cludge_3 -- enough said... Uh No, not enough said, I don't grok, what is Gt_cludge_3? Neither Google nor YaST know a thing about it either? Marc...
-- *"The Truth is out there" - Spooky* *_ _ . . . . . . _ _ . _ _ _ _ . . . . _ . . . . _ _ . _ _ _ . . . . _ _ . _ . . _ . _ _ _ _ . _ . _ . _ . _ . * Computers: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the user Marc. His mission: to explore strange new hardware. To seek out new software and new applications. To boldly go where no Marc has gone before! (/This email is digitally signed and the OpenPGP electronic signature is added as an attachment. If you know how, you can use my public key to prove this email indeed came from me and has not been modified in transit. My public key, which can be used for sending encrypted email to me also, can be found at - https://keys.openpgp.org/search?q=marc@marcchamberlin.com or just ask me for it and I will send it to you as an attachment. If you don't understand all this geek speak, no worries, just ignore this explanation and ignore the OpenPGP signature key attached to this email (it will look like gibberish if you open it) and/or ask me to explain it further if you like./)
* Marc Chamberlin <marc@marcchamberlin.com> [01-25-23 12:23]:
On 1/24/23 18:07, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 1/23/23 21:28, Felix Miata wrote:
KDE3 here too, and the problem here is common, particularly trying to paste into a reply input form opened in SeaMonkey { GTK3 :( } on forums.opensuse.org, and from SeaMonkey into KSirc.
Gt_cludge_3 -- enough said... Uh No, not enough said, I don't grok, what is Gt_cludge_3? Neither Google nor YaST know a thing about it either? Marc...
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*"The Truth is out there" - Spooky*
*_ _ . . . . . . _ _ . _ _ _ _ . . . . _ . . . . _ _ . _ _ _ . . . . _ _ . _ . . _ . _ _ _ _ . _ . _ . _ . _ . *
Computers: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the user Marc. His mission: to explore strange new hardware. To seek out new software and new applications. To boldly go where no Marc has gone before!
(/This email is digitally signed and the OpenPGP electronic signature is added as an attachment. If you know how, you can use my public key to prove this email indeed came from me and has not been modified in transit. My public key, which can be used for sending encrypted email to me also, can be found at - https://keys.openpgp.org/search?q=marc@marcchamberlin.com or just ask me for it and I will send it to you as an attachment. If you don't understand all this geek speak, no worries, just ignore this explanation and ignore the OpenPGP signature key attached to this email (it will look like gibberish if you open it) and/or ask me to explain it further if you like./)
maybe change _cludge_ to K and get GTK3 which is not "really" current. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc
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Carlos E. R.
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David C. Rankin
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Felix Miata
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Marc Chamberlin
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Patrick Shanahan