Reliability of SuSE mirrors
I've always assumed that the SuSE mirrors -- at least the ones that claim to be complete -- were as reliable as the SuSE site itself. But I had a frustrating experience doing a KDE 3.5 update using mirrors.kernel.org and Yast. I kept getting a complaint that the kdebase3 package (and a number of others) couldn't be found, though a number of packages did get installed. So I finally tried going to ftp.suse.com instead and the update worked correctly -- all the packages that I was missing before were there and were installed. Has anyone else had a similar experience? Any opinions on mirror sites versus the SuSE site itself? Paul
* Paul W. Abrahams <abrahams@acm.org> [12-26-05 19:05]:
I've always assumed that the SuSE mirrors -- at least the ones that claim to be complete -- were as reliable as the SuSE site itself.
They are but you must wait until they are updated. Just because something appears on the SUSE site does not mean that it is on the mirrors, yet! -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Monday 26 December 2005 8:09 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Paul W. Abrahams <abrahams@acm.org> [12-26-05 19:05]:
I've always assumed that the SuSE mirrors -- at least the ones that claim to be complete -- were as reliable as the SuSE site itself.
They are but you must wait until they are updated. Just because something appears on the SUSE site does not mean that it is on the mirrors, yet!
How can you tell if a mirror site is up to date? Or perhaps some parts of it are up to date (because they haven't changed too recently) and therefore usable, but others aren't? Paul
* Paul W. Abrahams <abrahams@acm.org> [12-26-05 21:58]:
How can you tell if a mirror site is up to date?
I would say 24 hrs would be reasonable, but not hard and fast.
Or perhaps some parts of it are up to date (because they haven't changed too recently) and therefore usable, but others aren't?
Consider this again. It would be nearly always true. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
On Monday 26 December 2005 10:09 pm, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Paul W. Abrahams <abrahams@acm.org> [12-26-05 21:58]:
How can you tell if a mirror site is up to date?
I would say 24 hrs would be reasonable, but not hard and fast.
So how would you determine if there are changes less than 24 hours (or so) old that haven't been incorporated into the site? Or, putting it another way, is there a less painful way to determine up-to-dateness than going to the (very busy) SuSE site as well and doing a file-by-file date comparison? If I have to do that, I might as well just go to the SuSE site in the first place.
Or perhaps some parts of it are up to date (because they haven't changed too recently) and therefore usable, but others aren't?
Consider this again. It would be nearly always true.
Yes, sure. But how to know which parts are usable and which ones aren't? Paul
* Paul W. Abrahams <abrahams@acm.org> [12-27-05 11:28]:
So how would you determine if there are changes less than 24 hours (or so) old that haven't been incorporated into the site?
short of dl'ing the entire package and doing a test install, I don't know.
Or, putting it another way, is there a less painful way to determine up-to-dateness than going to the (very busy) SuSE site as well and doing a file-by-file date comparison? If I have to do that, I might as well just go to the SuSE site in the first place.
but the load at SUSE is often so great that you will be unable to complete.
Yes, sure. But how to know which parts are usable and which ones aren't?
*** from my experience *** I would check ftp.gwdg.de. It is as close to SUSE update wise as anyone anywhere. The only person comes to mind that would be very knowlegable in this would be the maintainer of gwdg: Eberhard Moenkeberg < emoenke@gwdg.de>. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
After this discussion I have another idea, but I don't know for sure if it works. Check the date and time of the MEDIA.1 file in the desired Yast source directory at the mirror and at the SuSE site (or perhaps at gwdg.de). That merely requires getting directory lists. Assumption, possibly false: if the MEDIA.1 file is up to date, everything else is also. Paul
Two questions that I couldn't find answers to in the Help files: 1. How do I change my desktop from GNOME to KDE or vice versa? 2. Can each user have her choice of desktops on the same machine? i.e., can I set up my family box so that my son has GNOME and my daughter has KDE? We're running SuSE 10.0. TIA John Gilger Freelance Copywriter http://jgilger.com Paul W. Abrahams wrote:
I've always assumed that the SuSE mirrors -- at least the ones that claim to be complete -- were as reliable as the SuSE site itself. But I had a frustrating experience doing a KDE 3.5 update using mirrors.kernel.org and Yast. I kept getting a complaint that the kdebase3 package (and a number of others) couldn't be found, though a number of packages did get installed. So I finally tried going to ftp.suse.com instead and the update worked correctly -- all the packages that I was missing before were there and were installed.
Has anyone else had a similar experience? Any opinions on mirror sites versus the SuSE site itself?
Paul
On Monday 26 December 2005 8:50 pm, John Gilger wrote:
Two questions that I couldn't find answers to in the Help files:
1. How do I change my desktop from GNOME to KDE or vice versa?
2. Can each user have her choice of desktops on the same machine? i.e., can I set up my family box so that my son has GNOME and my daughter has KDE?
We're running SuSE 10.0.
your login manager (kdm) will have a session at the bottom left. Click on it, and it will bring up various options, such as KDE or GNOME. Note: this depends on you having both installed. -- Dr. Joseph Dolan: Isn't there a children's book about an elephant named Babar? Fletch: I don't know. I don't have any. Dr. Joseph Dolan: No children? Fletch: No, elephant books.
* John Gilger <bjgilger@cox.net> [12-26-05 22:53]:
Two questions that I couldn't find answers to in the Help files:
Please start a new thread instead of changing the subject and quoting an unrelated topic. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2
I've always assumed that the SuSE mirrors -- at least the ones that claim to be complete -- were as reliable as the SuSE site itself. But I had a frustrating experience doing a KDE 3.5 update using mirrors. kernel.org and Yast. I kept getting a complaint that the kdebase3 package (and a number of others) couldn't be found, though a number of packages did get installed. So I finally tried going to ftp.suse.com instead and the update worked correctly -- all the packages that I was missing before were there and were installed.
Has anyone else had a similar experience? Any opinions on mirror sites versus the SuSE site itself?
Hello: I had similar experience when I set a certain mirror in yast install sources and the specified mirror did not contain any packages in yast. However if I ftp-ed to the mirror the packages were there. See my post with the title "help needed for setting yast install sources". IG _____________________________________________________________________________ Töltse az év végét sztárokkal! Ingyen filmek egészen Újévig a T-Online Tékában! http://www.t-online.hu
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