[opensuse] Stupid question?
re: backwards compatability: Will rpms for 10.1 run on 10.2? I don't see a lot of 10.2 rpms yet past what was included in the distro. Yes, I know about compiling it myself, thank you very much, but when one does not have the room for all the overhead, one does not compile and is dependant upon the generosity of others. I guess I will have to wait... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
re: backwards compatability:
Will rpms for 10.1 run on 10.2?
A lot of them do. The biggest 'dependency pullers' are - as always - python, perl, kde/gnome/yast/hardware-detection. So any 10.1 package that is not realted to these will probably run OOTB. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-12-15 16:31, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
re: backwards compatability:
Will rpms for 10.1 run on 10.2?
A lot of them do. The biggest 'dependency pullers' are - as always - python, perl, kde/gnome/yast/hardware-detection. So any 10.1 package that is not realted to these will probably run OOTB.
Jan, that really doesn't leave very many packages :-) -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-12-15 16:31, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
re: backwards compatability:
Will rpms for 10.1 run on 10.2?
A lot of them do. The biggest 'dependency pullers' are - as always - python, perl, kde/gnome/yast/hardware-detection. So any 10.1 package that is not realted to these will probably run OOTB.
Jan, that really doesn't leave very many packages :-)
It left almost anything you can find to date in <yourftp>/suser-jengelh/SUSE-10.1-discontinued. And that's not a small list. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2006-12-16 12:07, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On 2006-12-15 16:31, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
re: backwards compatability:
Will rpms for 10.1 run on 10.2?
A lot of them do. The biggest 'dependency pullers' are - as always - python, perl, kde/gnome/yast/hardware-detection. So any 10.1 package that is not realted to these will probably run OOTB.
Jan, that really doesn't leave very many packages :-)
It left almost anything you can find to date in <yourftp>/suser-jengelh/SUSE-10.1-discontinued. And that's not a small list.
It is small compared with the list of all the packages :-)
re: backwards compatability:
Will rpms for 10.1 run on 10.2? I don't see a lot of 10.2 rpms yet past what was included in the distro. Highly unlikely. See http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Repositories and http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_YaST_Package_Repositories,
On 2006-12-15 16:18, Stevens wrote: particularly the latter. -- The best way to accelerate a computer running Windows is at 9.81 m/s² -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 16 December 2006 00:18, Stevens wrote:
re: backwards compatability:
Will rpms for 10.1 run on 10.2?
It's actually quite sad that all packaging effort in Linux needs to be endlessly replicated. Same thing done over and over again for years. Time for Novell propose something radical in rpm.org (now that it's getting on again)? -- // Janne -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 08:51 +0200, Janne Karhunen wrote:
On Saturday 16 December 2006 00:18, Stevens wrote:
re: backwards compatability:
Will rpms for 10.1 run on 10.2?
It's actually quite sad that all packaging effort in Linux needs to be endlessly replicated. Same thing done over and over again for years. Time for Novell propose something radical in rpm.org (now that it's getting on again)?
-- // Janne
I don't think any software will ever be in a position to be compatible with all older versions, however the "buildservice" goes a long way towards not repeating previosly done work. if an RPM gets loaded into the buildservice and a new distro gets added to the "compile for" list it will do everything it can to migrate that RPM to the new distro, possibly in the future this will be automatic. James -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 16 December 2006 10:40, James Tremblay wrote:
On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 08:51 +0200, Janne Karhunen wrote:
On Saturday 16 December 2006 00:18, Stevens wrote:
re: backwards compatability:
Will rpms for 10.1 run on 10.2?
It's actually quite sad that all packaging effort in Linux needs to be endlessly replicated. Same thing done over and over again for years. Time for Novell propose something radical in rpm.org (now that it's getting on again)?
-- // Janne
I don't think any software will ever be in a position to be compatible with all older versions, however the "buildservice" goes a long way towards not repeating previosly done work. if an RPM gets loaded into the buildservice and a new distro gets added to the "compile for" list it will do everything it can to migrate that RPM to the new distro, possibly in the future this will be automatic. James
This is an observation: I should think that those who code for Linux should make provision for backward compatibility. For the most part, M/S has done so. I can run most programs written for the last version of DOS, and, so far as I know, most programs written for Windows 3.3, in XP. There are some exceptions that I'm aware of, but in spite of my distrust of M/S, they have done a fairly decent job of keeping stuff usable. (It is interesting that some earlier versions of their own WORD are not only not compatible, but not even readable by their latest incarnation! (I don't know that myself, since I avoid all M/S programs except the OS itself.) WordPerfect has been an _excellent_ home for all my wp needs on Windows, ever since WordStar! I am so far impressed by OO, but I wish they had imitated WordPerfect instead of WORD, but of course, I know why they did not. A really neat trick would have been to make it possible to emulate whichever your choice might be! --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 17:49 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote:
On Saturday 16 December 2006 10:40, James Tremblay wrote:
I don't think any software will ever be in a position to be compatible with all older versions, however the "buildservice" goes a long way towards not repeating previosly done work. if an RPM gets loaded into the buildservice and a new distro gets added to the "compile for" list it will do everything it can to migrate that RPM to the new distro, possibly in the future this will be automatic. James
This is an observation: I should think that those who code for Linux should make provision for backward compatibility. For the most part, M/S has done so.
Which makes it so bloated and unstable it isn't worth running. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Will rpms for 10.1 run on 10.2?
It's actually quite sad that all packaging effort in Linux needs to be endlessly replicated. Same thing done over and over again for years. Time for Novell propose something radical in rpm.org (now that it's getting on again)?
Let's say we are happy with the fact that we do not need to carry _all_ over the backwards compatibility stuff like Windows does. We can do it with a few compat-*.rpms, compat symbols (`nm /lib/libc.so.6 | grep @@` and you will see). There is no problem with vendors shipping source code (we can recompile), and even with vendors choosing not doing so provide quite static binaries (e.g. DialogBlocks, Unreal Tournament) or compat environments (VMware), which also works. Anything I prefer over the Compat and DLL Hell in Windows. -`J' -- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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