Sat, 05 Feb 2005, by robin1.listas@tiscali.es:

The Saturday 2005-02-05 at 12:21 +0100, Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:

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The question was answered already, what's the point in this re-send other then list polution?

Has it? :-o :-?

I don't see any answer on the thread. There are on another thread.

Several people explained the purpose of /proc in the original thread, to which the OP never replied. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 9.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.8 + MSN: twe-msn@ferrets4me.xs4all.nl See headers for PGP/GPG info. +

* Ted Hilts [02-07-05 19:17]:

Sorry for the reposting. There were 5 different posts at the same time and all 5 got reposted by accident. I've had major email problems now for about a year. I get about 20 worms a day disguised as warnings coming from the US government and returned e-mail advisories coming at me from all over the place. It also seems like I'm the target of a dozen or so sexually perverted sources. All this stuff comes at me with an imbedded worm of one sort or another.

and *you* continue to use the root cause of all these problems to operate your computer. Please, take a bow. You have reached the pinnacle. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos

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It kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? Why do Windows users participate in a Linux forum?

--snip Well, some of us are at the office and have to use Windows there. Of course, I should be working............. ;-) David

On Tuesday 08 February 2005 17:10, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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It kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? Why do Windows users participate in a Linux forum?

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Well, some of us are at the office and have to use Windows there.

Of course, I should be working............. ;-)

David

At a minimum get a gmail account and use firefox to access it. And as always, be very, very carefull about what attachments you download. This will stop that vast majority of virus issues, even with windows pc.

That's a good idea.. Except that at the place I work, all web-based email is blocked. Yahoo, gmail, hotmail, ...

The biggest negative is that it does not have a list reply, and it includes the original senders e-mail in the reply. It takes an extra 30 seconds or so to manually fix these issues per reply. The best reason I know not to do the list at work. Outlook is without a doubt the worst email program I've ever had the displeasure to work with. I can hardly wait until we get upgraded to outlook 2003. ;(

Mike -- Powered by SuSE 9.2 Kernel 2.6.8 KDE 3.3.0 Kmail 1.7.1 For Mondo/Mindi backup support go to http://www.mikenjane.net/~mike 5:27pm up 1 day 1:21, 4 users, load average: 2.89, 2.56, 2.35

On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:34:51 -0800, Randall R Schulz wrote:

Mike,

On Tuesday 08 February 2005 08:29, Mike wrote:

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On Tuesday 08 February 2005 17:10, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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At a minimum get a gmail account and use firefox to access it. And as always, be very, very carefull about what attachments you download. This will stop that vast majority of virus issues, even with windows pc.

That's a good idea.. Except that at the place I work, all web-based email is blocked. Yahoo, gmail, hotmail, ...

GMail has POP access, now.

How does that help with the virus issue? Does gmail have good AV? I do like the gmail spam filtering, not too many false positives/negatives. Greg

and of course.... Thunderbird. Last time I played with Thunderbird under windows, it seemed to have some pretty good spam filtering..... B-) On Tuesday 08 February 2005 09:34 am, Randall R Schulz wrote:

Mike,

On Tuesday 08 February 2005 08:29, Mike wrote:

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On Tuesday 08 February 2005 17:10, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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At a minimum get a gmail account and use firefox to access it. And as always, be very, very carefull about what attachments you download. This will stop that vast majority of virus issues, even with windows pc.

That's a good idea.. Except that at the place I work, all web-based email is blocked. Yahoo, gmail, hotmail, ...

GMail has POP access, now.

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Mike

Randall Schulz

Mike, On Tuesday 08 February 2005 09:19, Mike wrote:

On Tuesday 08 February 2005 17:34, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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At a minimum get a gmail account and use firefox to access it. And as always, be very, very carefull about what attachments you download. This will stop that vast majority of virus issues, even with windows pc.

That's a good idea.. Except that at the place I work, all web-based email is blocked. Yahoo, gmail, hotmail, ...

GMail has POP access, now.

Yea.. But these government folks really get upset when you start messing with stuff like that.. ;-) Believe me, I'd love to get rid of the email system we are using right now.. But I don't see it happening in the near future.

So what _do_ you use? Telepathic email? If you're not using any standards-based mail, what can anyone here do to help you?

Mike

Randall Schulz

There are quite a few good folks on this list that would be VERY capable of setting up a good (as in Linux/qmail) mail server with anti-virus / spamassassin. <hint><hint> hehehe B=) On Tuesday 08 February 2005 10:19 am, Mike wrote:

On Tuesday 08 February 2005 17:34, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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At a minimum get a gmail account and use firefox to access it. And as always, be very, very carefull about what attachments you download. This will stop that vast majority of virus issues, even with windows pc.

That's a good idea.. Except that at the place I work, all web-based email is blocked. Yahoo, gmail, hotmail, ...

GMail has POP access, now.

Yea.. But these government folks really get upset when you start messing with stuff like that.. ;-) Believe me, I'd love to get rid of the email system we are using right now.. But I don't see it happening in the near future.

Mike

-- Powered by SuSE 9.2 Kernel 2.6.8 KDE 3.3.0 Kmail 1.7.1 For Mondo/Mindi backup support go to http://www.mikenjane.net/~mike 6:15pm up 1 day 2:09, 4 users, load average: 2.27, 2.51, 2.75

Randall You are correct, it is an "in progress" transition that is very hard to accomplish. As an example, I use a (windows only) web authoring tool called HotMetal Pro V6 on 3 MS XP machines and 1 Win95 machine. It was the last version of this web authoring tool some 2 years ago. It is a true and easy to use WYSIWYG web authoring tool with advanced features. I have been looking, as time permits for a reasonably close product for Linux and failing that for Windows but in these 2 years have found nothing so far that even comes close. I am currently looking at a Linux web authoring tool that comes with the SuSE distribution. I use many other software tools that even several years old still out perform what I can find on Linux. I encourage vendors towards a Linux solution and they ignore me. I like SuSe. You have no reason to be hostile with me about the fact that my email is Netscape based. I use Netscape on Windows because it is all I know but I am investigating using Mozilla mail on Linux and simply have not had the time. I don't know everything about everything. My work requires research and knowledge in many fields of many things leaving me little time to become a 100% Linux guru. Computers and sofware products are only a very small part of my work. But I like SuSE. I like Linux. And I'm trying to like you guys. I have 6 linux machines on my LAN and one of them is Slackware, another is Red Hat, another is both Red Hat and SuSE, another is BSD and SuSE, and the remainder are all pure SuSE. Some of these 6 have also dual boot with Windows which is rarely used on these machine but is there anyway. I have 8 pure Windows machines 2 of which are XP and 1 is XP Pro. I don't like XP as it is full of flakey behaviors that can trash an entire directory and pause the complete system for a screen refesh and numerable other flakey things. I think Bill Gates not only over charges for the MS Operating systems but has also practiced and got away with numerous efforts at monopolizing computer software and techniques and technologies in general. In addition, by all reports I've heard he is a ruthless "money is the bottom line" business man. I would only repect him as a human being if he gave 50% of his net worth to a good cause. Unfortunately most of the world treats him as a "business Saint" worthy of their worship and admiration. I think that the MS Operating Systems started as a piece of junk and are still not worth the cost. I blame "Big Business", in this case "Big Software Business enterprises" for being stupid and money hungry to the point that if they really cared for excellence we would have by now all the products I need to do my work and in a Linux environment. Before I retired, I worked in Engineering and IT (Information Technology) and they thought I was crackers because of my interests and advocacy of Linux. Since then IBM (one of our (the company I worked for) main computer/software sources) has "seen the light" as well as the "financial gains" associated with Linux and appear rapidly to be turning Linux into a very expensive proposition when integrated with their product line as well as forcing Linux vendors like SuSE to compete. Thanks - Ted Randall R Schulz wrote:

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and *you* continue to use the root cause of all these problems to operate your computer. Please, take a bow. You have reached the pinnacle.

On Wednesday 09 February 2005 23:41, Randall J. Parr wrote:

Ted Hilts wrote:

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You are correct, it is an "in progress" transition that is very hard to accomplish. As an example, I use a (windows only) web authoring tool called HotMetal Pro V6 on 3 MS XP machines and 1 Win95 machine. It was the last version of this web authoring tool some 2 years ago. It is a true and easy to use WYSIWYG web authoring tool with advanced features. I have been looking, as time permits for a reasonably close product for Linux and failing that for Windows but in these 2 years have found nothing so far that even comes close. I am currently looking at a Linux web authoring tool that comes with the SuSE distribution. I use many other software tools that even several years old still out perform what I can find on Linux. I encourage vendors towards a Linux solution and they ignore me.

I too find the lack of anything approaching a HotMetal Pro replacement is one of the factors that keeps me and some of my clients tied to Windows.

I have searched and searched for a decent HTML editor. There are a lot of source editors out there (eg Bluefish) but a real dearth of WYSIWYG or semi-WYSIWYG editors. There are a few out there (Nvu, Mozilla composer, Quanta) and I test them each time a new version comes out. They're getting there but, you're right, none of them even come very close to the "old" and "obsolete" HotMetal Pro. I went though another round, just the last two days, of testing. Frustrating. Especially because they are getting closer but, still, no cigar.

R.Parr, RHCE Temporal Arts Portland, OR U.S.A. Interesting....

Where can I get a copy of HotMetal... Does it run under Wine? CrossOver Office? VMware? Jerry

He wasn't giving you greif about Netscape, he was giving you greif about windoze. You share shame opinion obviously, so I wouldn't take offense. Anyway, to the point Have you looked into the web editing features built into Mozilla? I remember HotMetal... last one I used was Dreamweaver. There seems to be many ways to run Dreamweaver on Linux. (Wine, Crossover) Check out these links. http://www.execulink.com/~cboden/dwlin/ http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum40/697.htm http://www.dmxzone.com/ShowDetail.asp?NewsId=5794 I am forced to use Windows for releasing some of our software on that platform. I still do everything under Linux. Only compile and test on the Windoze box (through VNC) Anyway, B-) On Wednesday 09 February 2005 03:14 pm, Ted Hilts wrote:

Randall

You are correct, it is an "in progress" transition that is very hard to accomplish. As an example, I use a (windows only) web authoring tool called HotMetal Pro V6 on 3 MS XP machines and 1 Win95 machine. It was the last version of this web authoring tool some 2 years ago. It is a true and easy to use WYSIWYG web authoring tool with advanced features. I have been looking, as time permits for a reasonably close product for Linux and failing that for Windows but in these 2 years have found nothing so far that even comes close. I am currently looking at a Linux web authoring tool that comes with the SuSE distribution. I use many other software tools that even several years old still out perform what I can find on Linux. I encourage vendors towards a Linux solution and they ignore me.

I like SuSe. You have no reason to be hostile with me about the fact that my email is Netscape based. I use Netscape on Windows because it is all I know but I am investigating using Mozilla mail on Linux and simply have not had the time. I don't know everything about everything. My work requires research and knowledge in many fields of many things leaving me little time to become a 100% Linux guru. Computers and sofware products are only a very small part of my work.

But I like SuSE. I like Linux. And I'm trying to like you guys. I have 6 linux machines on my LAN and one of them is Slackware, another is Red Hat, another is both Red Hat and SuSE, another is BSD and SuSE, and the remainder are all pure SuSE. Some of these 6 have also dual boot with Windows which is rarely used on these machine but is there anyway.

I have 8 pure Windows machines 2 of which are XP and 1 is XP Pro. I don't like XP as it is full of flakey behaviors that can trash an entire directory and pause the complete system for a screen refesh and numerable other flakey things. I think Bill Gates not only over charges for the MS Operating systems but has also practiced and got away with numerous efforts at monopolizing computer software and techniques and technologies in general. In addition, by all reports I've heard he is a ruthless "money is the bottom line" business man. I would only repect him as a human being if he gave 50% of his net worth to a good cause. Unfortunately most of the world treats him as a "business Saint" worthy of their worship and admiration. I think that the MS Operating Systems started as a piece of junk and are still not worth the cost. I blame "Big Business", in this case "Big Software Business enterprises" for being stupid and money hungry to the point that if they really cared for excellence we would have by now all the products I need to do my work and in a Linux environment.

Before I retired, I worked in Engineering and IT (Information Technology) and they thought I was crackers because of my interests and advocacy of Linux. Since then IBM (one of our (the company I worked for) main computer/software sources) has "seen the light" as well as the "financial gains" associated with Linux and appear rapidly to be turning Linux into a very expensive proposition when integrated with their product line as well as forcing Linux vendors like SuSE to compete.

Thanks - Ted

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and *you* continue to use the root cause of all these problems to operate your computer. Please, take a bow. You have reached the pinnacle.

Carlos I will see what I can do regarding these 2 Linux packages but first my email will have to be moved over to a Linux machine. Currently I use a Windows 95 machine to bring in the email from my email account on a USA server and then through my ISP to this Win 95 machine. This way I am not using a production machine on my LAN and if the Win 95 machine blows up because of a virus then no major harm done. On the Win95 machine I isolate the contaminated email files and clean up the email files. When the Win 95 machine is clean I (via shares) move the email to a clean XP Pro production machine to be read and redistributed into appropriate files. I send email from either machine. I use Proland's Protector Plus anti virus and used to use Norton. The Worms crawl through both of these Anti-Virus packages not even detected by Norton. Apparently Proland does not feel that they should adjust their package to either quarantine or remove the virus and insist that I must manually identify the virus, delete the file, and take other measures to clean up the inbox and trash files. They say this is the only way to deal with worms. So I run Protector Plus from XP Pro to identify the worms on Win 95 and then clean up Win 95. All this is a lot of work and time consuming and one of the reasons why I am slow responding with my email. I get a lot of email and I can't do any other email activity, like reading email, or responding to email, until all the incoming email has been loaded otherwise Win95 crashes. I get a lot of email every day and my gateways work through slow dial up lines as I am located in a rural area of Alberta, Canada and there are no other alternatives available to me. Once I am able to find the time to create a Linux email account and implement the Anti-Virus and Anti-Spam everyone has been talking to me about then I will take this Win95 machine and make it a dual boot and run a Linux email set up. As I mentioned in another email to the list, I think I will start with a Mozilla Linux email account and then move on to Sendmail or some other Linux package. But I cannot do this right away. Carlos E. R. wrote:

I get dozens of those emails. Windows worms can't damage me, and almost all spam is catched by SpamAssassin. Viruses are filtered by amavis, so I don't see them, unless I want to.

* Ted Hilts [02-09-05 18:03]: ....

Once I am able to find the time to create a Linux email account and implement the Anti-Virus and Anti-Spam everyone has been talking to me about then

a very minor effort which, according to your maladies, would definitely be warranted and time-saving, and much safer. And there is little to no need for "Anti-Virus" protection for the linux enviroment.

I will take this Win95 machine and make it a dual boot and run a Linux email set up. As I mentioned in another email to the list, I think I will start with a Mozilla Linux email account and then move on to Sendmail or some other Linux package. But I cannot do this right away.

"right away" would pay dividends within a *day*. And please, do something with your *quoting*. http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos