-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 William Holmes wrote:

On Fri June 6 2008 05:29:55 Fred A. Miller wrote:

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http://shop.novell.com/servlet/ControllerServlet;jsessionid=98DB683C88C74F9 F777CB941E0D02BE1?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&SiteID=novell&id=ShoppingC artPage

-- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore."

In Italy: SUSE 59.95 euros Shipping DHL 19.50 euros VAT 20% 15.89 euros 1 euro = $1.57 TOTAL $149.70

Er... The shipping charge for pre order is 0. The European site price is 79.45 euro inc Drat, the American site price is $59.95, (effectively 1 euro = $1) without the Drat (someone is getting a good deal here). - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFISjlzasN0sSnLmgIRAh87AKCVn5sBm7GCDX30Duayhs7JHX27gwCg0Vwt MHTtfE7FyTUqzATWBOXQtR0= =Z2P6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike wrote:

On Saturday 07 June 2008 09:32, G T Smith wrote:

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Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore."

In Italy: SUSE 59.95 euros Shipping DHL 19.50 euros VAT 20% 15.89 euros 1 euro = $1.57 TOTAL $149.70

Er... The shipping charge for pre order is 0. The European site price is 79.45 euro inc Drat, the American site price is $59.95, (effectively 1 euro = $1) without the Drat (someone is getting a good deal here).

And it's not the Europeans. Even without the shipping charge, 79.45 euro is just a bit over $125. So that's double the price. Guess that's where they are making the "profit". That's basically why I quit buying the boxed version over here.

Mike

I live in Canada and have bought the boxed version a few times in the past. However, this time the only means of shipping to Canada is via UPS, which I refuse to use, due to their obscene border brokerage fees. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

va.linuxguy@gmail.com wrote:

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On Fri June 6 2008 05:29:55 Fred A. Miller wrote: http://shop.novell.com/servlet/ControllerServlet;jsessionid=98DB683C88C74F9

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F777CB941E0D02BE1?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&SiteID=novell&id=ShoppingC artPage

-- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore." In Italy: SUSE 59.95 euros Shipping DHL 19.50 euros VAT 20% 15.89 euros 1 euro = $1.57 TOTAL $149.70

I guess I'm a cheapskate because while I'd love to support the cause, I'm choking over the $60 "fee". Sorry, that just seems exorbitant to me.

It's not exorbitant because you don't have to pay it. You can download it for free. Don Henson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On Fri June 6 2008 05:29:55 Fred A. Miller wrote:

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http://shop.novell.com/servlet/ControllerServlet;jsessionid=98DB683C88C74F9 F777CB941E0D02BE1?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&SiteID=novell&id=ShoppingC artPage

-- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore."

In Italy: SUSE 59.95 euros Shipping DHL 19.50 euros VAT 20% 15.89 euros 1 euro = $1.57 TOTAL $149.70

In the Netherlands, via Computer Collectief Bookstore: SUSE €59.95, VAT included Shipping TNT €1.95 Total €61.90 http://www.comcol.nl/detail/64814.htm?bann-bv1 Why in Italy the price ex VAT is the same as inc VAT here is a mistery to me. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 10.3 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.22 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 07 June 2008 03:54:03 pm James Knott wrote:

William Holmes wrote:

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On Fri June 6 2008 05:29:55 Fred A. Miller wrote:

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http://shop.novell.com/servlet/ControllerServlet;jsessionid=98DB683C88C7 4F9 F777CB941E0D02BE1?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&SiteID=novell&id=Shopp ingC artPage

-- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore."

In Italy: SUSE 59.95 euros Shipping DHL 19.50 euros VAT 20% 15.89 euros 1 euro = $1.57 TOTAL $149.70

In Canada, $59.95, doesn't specify Canadian or U.S. dollars, though Canadian are worth more. There's $11 shipping, which I can live with, but the only shipping choice is UPS, which I refuse to use. UPS charges obscene brokerage fees for bringing stuff across the border. Based on previous experience, I wouldn't be surprised if Canadians paid as much to UPS as to Novell. No other carrier, be it FedEx, Purolator or good old snail mail charges anywhere near what UPS does. So, as long as UPS is the only choice for shipping, I will not be buying this.

-- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org Could you have it shipped to someone in the US and then have them mail it to you or does that induce customs problems? I just check the P.O website and a 1 pound package from Moses Lake, WA. USA to Kamloops, BC costs $4.76 US.

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On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 5:54 PM, James Knott wrote:

Russ Fineman wrote:

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On Saturday 07 June 2008 03:54:03 pm James Knott wrote:

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William Holmes wrote:

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On Fri June 6 2008 05:29:55 Fred A. Miller wrote:

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http://shop.novell.com/servlet/ControllerServlet;jsessionid=98DB683C88C7 4F9

F777CB941E0D02BE1?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&SiteID=novell&id=Shopp ingC artPage

-- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore."

In Italy: SUSE 59.95 euros Shipping DHL 19.50 euros VAT 20% 15.89 euros 1 euro = $1.57 TOTAL $149.70

In Canada, $59.95, doesn't specify Canadian or U.S. dollars, though Canadian are worth more. There's $11 shipping, which I can live with, but the only shipping choice is UPS, which I refuse to use. UPS charges obscene brokerage fees for bringing stuff across the border. Based on previous experience, I wouldn't be surprised if Canadians paid as much to UPS as to Novell. No other carrier, be it FedEx, Purolator or good old snail mail charges anywhere near what UPS does. So, as long as UPS is the only choice for shipping, I will not be buying this.

-- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org

Could you have it shipped to someone in the US and then have them mail it to you or does that induce customs problems? I just check the P.O website and a 1 pound package from Moses Lake, WA. USA to Kamloops, BC costs $4.76 US.

Well, I suppose I could do that, if I knew someone down there. The border's little more than an hour drive from here. There's no duty on software, though there is a federal tax. The solution to the problem would be to get the shippers to realize the problem with shipping UPS. For something like this, the post office is good enough, or if a courier is necessary, go with FedEx. Any vendor that says they only ship UPS is telling me they don't want my business.

I raised a huge stink about this last time I bought a boxed set (10.2) and somehow managed to get Postal shipping. I had a similar problem in getting delivery to Alaska and anything other than abusive pricing. Complain loud and long to Shop.Novel.com customer service. The US Post Office is very easy to deal with these days. They will send a special truck for volume pickups, and allow on-line click-n-ship etc. There is no excuse for Novel to be lining the pockets of a so-called express shipper for something that won't be available for weeks. -- ----------JSA--------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Russ Fineman wrote:

On Saturday 07 June 2008 05:54:04 pm James Knott wrote:

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Russ Fineman wrote:

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On Saturday 07 June 2008 03:54:03 pm James Knott wrote:

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William Holmes wrote:

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On Fri June 6 2008 05:29:55 Fred A. Miller wrote:

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http://shop.novell.com/servlet/ControllerServlet;jsessionid=98DB683C88 C7 4F9 F777CB941E0D02BE1?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&SiteID=novell&id=Sho pp ingC artPage

-- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore."

In Italy: SUSE 59.95 euros Shipping DHL 19.50 euros VAT 20% 15.89 euros 1 euro = $1.57 TOTAL $149.70

In Canada, $59.95, doesn't specify Canadian or U.S. dollars, though Canadian are worth more. There's $11 shipping, which I can live with, but the only shipping choice is UPS, which I refuse to use. UPS charges obscene brokerage fees for bringing stuff across the border. Based on previous experience, I wouldn't be surprised if Canadians paid as much to UPS as to Novell. No other carrier, be it FedEx, Purolator or good old snail mail charges anywhere near what UPS does. So, as long as UPS is the only choice for shipping, I will not be buying this.

-- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org

Could you have it shipped to someone in the US and then have them mail it to you or does that induce customs problems? I just check the P.O website and a 1 pound package from Moses Lake, WA. USA to Kamloops, BC costs $4.76 US.

Well, I suppose I could do that, if I knew someone down there. The border's little more than an hour drive from here. There's no duty on software, though there is a federal tax. The solution to the problem would be to get the shippers to realize the problem with shipping UPS. For something like this, the post office is good enough, or if a courier is necessary, go with FedEx. Any vendor that says they only ship UPS is telling me they don't want my business.

-- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org

Where are you at. I'm about 180 miles south of Osoyoos.

I'm near Toronto. Where (what???) is Osoyoos? -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Where are you at. I'm about 180 miles south of Osoyoos.

I'm near Toronto. Where (what???) is Osoyoos?

It a town in BC on the US/Canadian border. Its about 4 miles (6.4 km) north of the boarder and South of Pentiction and Kamloops.

Hmmm... That's a tad far to drive from Toronto. ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Russ Fineman wrote:

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I'm near Toronto. Where (what???) is Osoyoos?

It a town in BC on the US/Canadian border. Its about 4 miles (6.4 km) north of the boarder and South of Pentiction and Kamloops.

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How to beat shipping and Canadian Customs: Arrange shipping to a Chippewa Indian friend in Internationa Falls Minnesota. He walks across border. The Chippewa (aka Ojibwa) nation have a treaty with US and Canada allowing free border crossing with no customs charges (for personal use - how you get around that bit is up to you). -- ----------JSA--------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 08 June 2008 12:46, James Knott wrote:

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A while ago, I watched a TV show about border communities, that actually straddle the border. There was one house, where the front door was in Canada, but the bedroom was in the U.S. A person living in that house could legally drop U.S. purchases in through the bedroom window and then go around to the front door and walk in and there was nothing the government could do about it.

Now if they had a really good DNS country code, they'd have the perfect setup for some kind of cash-cow operation. What would the ".tv" counterpart be? .ups? (I know, country codes are two letters only.) Maybe the Michigan UP could be leveraged somehow?? RRS -- "That's it! Somehow!" — Homer Simpson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 07 June 2008 05:54:04 pm James Knott wrote:

Russ Fineman wrote:

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On Saturday 07 June 2008 03:54:03 pm James Knott wrote:

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William Holmes wrote:

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On Fri June 6 2008 05:29:55 Fred A. Miller wrote:

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http://shop.novell.com/servlet/ControllerServlet;jsessionid=98DB683C88 C7 4F9 F777CB941E0D02BE1?Action=DisplayPage&Locale=en_US&SiteID=novell&id=Sho pp ingC artPage

-- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore."

In Italy: SUSE 59.95 euros Shipping DHL 19.50 euros VAT 20% 15.89 euros 1 euro = $1.57 TOTAL $149.70

In Canada, $59.95, doesn't specify Canadian or U.S. dollars, though Canadian are worth more. There's $11 shipping, which I can live with, but the only shipping choice is UPS, which I refuse to use. UPS charges obscene brokerage fees for bringing stuff across the border. Based on previous experience, I wouldn't be surprised if Canadians paid as much to UPS as to Novell. No other carrier, be it FedEx, Purolator or good old snail mail charges anywhere near what UPS does. So, as long as UPS is the only choice for shipping, I will not be buying this.

-- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org

Could you have it shipped to someone in the US and then have them mail it to you or does that induce customs problems? I just check the P.O website and a 1 pound package from Moses Lake, WA. USA to Kamloops, BC costs $4.76 US.

Well, I suppose I could do that, if I knew someone down there. The border's little more than an hour drive from here. There's no duty on software, though there is a federal tax. The solution to the problem would be to get the shippers to realize the problem with shipping UPS. For something like this, the post office is good enough, or if a courier is necessary, go with FedEx. Any vendor that says they only ship UPS is telling me they don't want my business.

-- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org

to bad this did not come out in early April I was in Osoyoos. be there again in Oct. but I doubt you'd want to wait that long. -- Russ Linux register user 441463 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org