I rec'd an answer from SuSE support on the problem I and some others have with OO NOT running with 8.2. That is, the setup app. terminates with no error. The answer I rec'd was that it's not their problem but 3rd party. I would think that SuSE would be more concerned that there's a problem with a MAJOR app. not installing on a number of 8.2 boxen. But, I guess not. Fred -- Fred A. Miller Systems Administrator Cornell Univ. Press Services fm@cupserv.org, www.cupserv.org
On Saturday 26 April 2003 15:21, Fred A. Miller wrote:
I rec'd an answer from SuSE support on the problem I and some others have with OO NOT running with 8.2. That is, the setup app. terminates with no error. The answer I rec'd was that it's not their problem but 3rd party. I would think that SuSE would be more concerned that there's a problem with a MAJOR app. not installing on a number of 8.2 boxen. But, I guess not.
Could you describe exactly what you're doing, which version of OO you have installed, what program you're trying to run? I'm running open office here on 8.2 with no problems, both 1.0.2 included on the disks and 1.0.3 from www.openoffice.org
On Saturday 26 April 2003 14:21, Fred A. Miller wrote:
I rec'd an answer from SuSE support on the problem I and some others have with OO NOT running with 8.2. That is, the setup app. terminates with no error. The answer I rec'd was that it's not their problem but 3rd party. I would think that SuSE would be more concerned that there's a problem with a MAJOR app. not installing on a number of 8.2 boxen. But, I guess not.
This is part of Suse's major problem, IMO. The versioning of the distro is crazy. If you upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1, which is a *minor* upgrade according to the numbers, you should not have any app problems, but just enhancements or fixes. Suse switched to gcc 3 in 8.1, thus involving a *major* change in the distro, which was unacceptable. Many applications were not ready to this, and many servers of mine had problems that forced a downgrade to 8.0. And with the 8.2, we have the same story. I installed a fresh 8.2 on a second laptop, and none of the applications running on the 8.1 works. I cannot have the lotus notes working, nor the at&t dialer to setup a vpn; even the simple tokenring card has probems. And above all, I cannot connect to internet until I erase all the /etc/ppp in 8.1 and 8.2, and copy the one from 8.0. So, I was again forced to reinstall the previous version, because I have no time to lose on solving such stupid problems. I'm very upset with this lack of attention from Suse. The decided that a new version has to be published every 6 months, and the do. But this is pure marketing: from a tech point of view there are tons of reasons to avoid it, and the result is clear: a poor system. I cannot accept major problems upgrading from 8.1 to 8.2. How can I develop an app for Suse (and redhat as well, to be honest) if every 6 months I have to restart testing from scratch, and maybe change my app in order to work on the new version? -- Andrea Negro andrea@alessandria.linux.it ICQ 25458773
In a previous message, Andrea Negro wrote:
On Saturday 26 April 2003 14:21, Fred A. Miller wrote:
I rec'd an answer from SuSE support on the problem I and some others have with OO NOT running with 8.2. That is, the setup app. terminates with no error. The answer I rec'd was that it's not their problem but 3rd party. I would think that SuSE would be more concerned that there's a problem with a MAJOR app. not installing on a number of 8.2 boxen. But, I guess not.
This is part of Suse's major problem, IMO. The versioning of the distro is crazy. If you upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1, which is a *minor* upgrade
Alternatively, look at this way - SuSE are pushing ahead trying to keep the distro up to date. If they kept with all the old s/w for compatibility's sake, people would be criticising that, too. And if they leapt from 8.0 to 9.0 (<cough>RedHat</cough>) then people would criticise that, too. FWIW, I think that 8.2 is great - the best SuSE distro I've seen yet. I would be very confident showing it to Windows friends and recommending that they switch. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Valley of the Kings: ransack an ancient Egyptian tomb but beware of mummies!
On Saturday 26 April 2003 13:33, John Pettigrew wrote:
FWIW, I think that 8.2 is great - the best SuSE distro I've seen yet. I would be very confident showing it to Windows friends and recommending that they switch.
I agree. This is the first version worthy to displace my SuSE 7.3 installations. It is a terrific distribution. For the past couple of years, I've heard more than a few pro-Linux folks making statements to the effect that Linux is mature enough to take on Microsoft on the desktop front. I've always responded with a slight giggle - until now. SuSE 8.2 really is the first distribution (from any vendor) that is, I think, *more* mature than the latest offerings from Microsoft. It's finally happening. :) - Thomas Long -- Using SuSE Linux 8.2
On Saturday 26 April 2003 19:33, John Pettigrew wrote:
In a previous message, Andrea Negro wrote:
On Saturday 26 April 2003 14:21, Fred A. Miller wrote:
I rec'd an answer from SuSE support on the problem I and some others have with OO NOT running with 8.2. That is, the setup app. terminates with no error. The answer I rec'd was that it's not their problem but 3rd party. I would think that SuSE would be more concerned that there's a problem with a MAJOR app. not installing on a number of 8.2 boxen. But, I guess not.
This is part of Suse's major problem, IMO. The versioning of the distro is crazy. If you upgrade from 8.0 to 8.1, which is a *minor* upgrade
Alternatively, look at this way - SuSE are pushing ahead trying to keep the distro up to date. If they kept with all the old s/w for compatibility's sake, people would be criticising that, too. And if they leapt from 8.0 to 9.0 (<cough>RedHat</cough>) then people would criticise that, too.
This may be right, but I feel it is important to separate things. I agree that if a new version of OO comes out it has to be included, even if this is error-prone, because you are including software which had not yet proven stability. But you cannot change basic stuff, upon which apps works, because this way you are impacting many apps that you cannot control. It makes sense to change the desktop appearence, or updating the software or that sort of stuff, but not change the compiler version (without including the old one, which appears only on sles!) or swtich from inetd to xinetd in a minor release. This is my point.
FWIW, I think that 8.2 is great - the best SuSE distro I've seen yet. I would be very confident showing it to Windows friends and recommending that they switch.
I was not deprecating the 8.2, which is a great distro. :) -- Andrea Negro andrea@alessandria.linux.it ICQ 25458773
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Anders Johansson
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Andrea Negro
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Fred A. Miller
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John Pettigrew
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Thomas Long