Re: [SLE] Browser war hots up!!
On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:20:50 +1300 (NZDT) Volker Kuhlmann
got it together enough to write: The linux version is beta, has no java (IIRC), has no email client, and the preferences don't work properly. For payware I expect better than that.
You don't pay for this (beta) release for Linux. It is a 30 day shareware licence (with nag screen on boot). The options will be the same as for MS version - free with ad banner, or $US39 minus the ad.
That is not my definition of "free". I refuse to use anything that shows me ad's as a condition of use. And I have no intention of paying $39 to not see something.. If they cannot open-source it, then I shall ignore it :) But that is just my philosophy, if I want crippleware, adware, underwear, expensiveware.. well my local computer shop has plenty of that for sale .. Cliff
On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:20:50 +1300 (NZDT) Volker Kuhlmann
got it together enough to write: The linux version is beta, has no java (IIRC), has no email client, and the preferences don't work properly. For payware I expect better than that.
You don't pay for this (beta) release for Linux. It is a 30 day shareware licence (with CS> nag screen on boot). The options will be the same as for MS version - free with ad banner, CS> or $US39 minus the ad.
CS> That is not my definition of "free". CS> I refuse to use anything that shows me ad's as a condition of CS> use. CS> And I have no intention of paying $39 to not see something.. CS> If they cannot open-source it, then I shall ignore it :) CS> But that is just my philosophy, if I want crippleware, adware, CS> underwear, expensiveware.. well my local computer shop has CS> plenty of that for sale .. CS> Cliff Typical closeminded linux-user view, really. "If it's not free, I don't want it." *THAT* really annoys me. (still, that was your two cents, and this is mine). :) Best regards, Lee
On Fri, 02 Feb 2001, you wrote:
Typical closeminded linux-user view, really. "If it's not free, I don't want it." *THAT* really annoys me.
(still, that was your two cents, and this is mine). :)
Sad part is some will use Microsoft based products to do many of the things they want to do. They help support the Microsoft development community financially while complaining about it, but refuse to support linux developers financially. People can't live on love alone, and that includes developers that love linux. I don't think anyone should buy an inferior product, but if the product is good and you use it, be willing to help support the people that created it. joe
joe wrote:
On Fri, 02 Feb 2001, you wrote:
Typical closeminded linux-user view, really. "If it's not free, I don't want it." *THAT* really annoys me.
(still, that was your two cents, and this is mine). :)
Sad part is some will use Microsoft based products to do many of the things they want to do. They help support the Microsoft development community financially while complaining about it, but refuse to support linux developers financially. People can't live on love alone, and that includes developers that love linux.
I don't think anyone should buy an inferior product, but if the product is good and you use it, be willing to help support the people that created it.
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On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 06:23:09 -0500
joe
On Fri, 02 Feb 2001, you wrote:
Typical closeminded linux-user view, really. "If it's not free, I don't want it." *THAT* really annoys me.
(still, that was your two cents, and this is mine). :)
Sad part is some will use Microsoft based products to do many of the things they want to do. They help support the Microsoft development community financially while complaining about it, but refuse to support linux developers financially. People can't live on love alone, and that includes developers that love linux.
I don't think anyone should buy an inferior product, but if the product is good and you use it, be willing to help support the people that created it.
joe
I completely agree!
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Typical closeminded linux-user view, really. "If it's not free, I don't want it." *THAT* really annoys me.
Personally, I would rather pay for something, or not have it at all, than have ad banners in my way. I have nothing against software that costs money, but I can not tollerate software than wastes valuable space downloading images onto my hard disk... -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ==============
I wonder how many of these "must be free" are using solely linux for everything they do. I have heard the argument many times, but many are not using linux exclusivly. I have met some that say windows was free with their computer so that is ok, or they get unix free at work, or the program was given to them. Someone paid, just not them. joe
On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 02:09:36PM -0500, joe wrote:
I wonder how many of these "must be free" are using solely linux for
In the Linux/GNU context "free" does not mean without cost (for the 'nth time !). I buy SuSE linux, since they do not allow their CD's to be copied and sold. I use SuSE because it is reasonably complete and it's setup is more or less sane. I don't buy it for it's so-called 60/90 day support, since for all practical purposes that is worthless in my experience. Until 7.0 I regarded it's price as reasonable, considering that it came with a fairly good book. With 7.0 marketing bullshit has taken over with this professional/personal differentiation. I will probably not buy anymore distributions now that SuSE is playing Microsoft games with the software distributions. If my needs outstrip 7.0 then I will probably begin to use Debian. I paid someone to burn CD's for me for Slackware, Debian and Redhat. I once made a mistake of buying a Redhat distribution - it was a waste of money. I also paid the same person to supply some Free/Open/Net BSD disks. So I do spend money... Cliff p.s With regard to your wondering: I work and socialise with Solaris, HPUX, Linux, FreebSD, AIX. The last time I used Windows was a few weeks ago on a neighbour;s computer, her version of '98 had just decided not to run Word 97 anymore, so I re-installed MS Office for her.
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 07:38:14 GMT
Cliff Sarginson
On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 16:20:50 +1300 (NZDT) Volker Kuhlmann
got it together enough to write:
That is not my definition of "free". I refuse to use anything that shows me ad's as a condition of use.
But you will pay to rent a movie (comlete with "trailers" that run for as long as the movie you hired)?
And I have no intention of paying $39 to not see something..
That's entirely up to you :-)
If they cannot open-source it, then I shall ignore it :)
So remove StarOffice, all the Qt libraries you have on your system, OSS sound support, BIND, and about half of the KDE apps you run -- easy!
But that is just my philosophy, if I want crippleware, adware, underwear, expensiveware.. well my local computer shop has plenty of that for sale ..
Yep! But does your local computer shop give out free development/repair time?
Cliff
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Cliff Sarginson
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Don Hansford
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Fred A. Miller
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joe
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Lee Smallbone
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Timothy R. Butler