Hello, I hope the enthusiastic accolades now coming onto the list, and the suggestion that discussion about yast1 has just been bandwidth wasting will not alter a few important points arising. Firstly. Why has this speculation arose ? And why have Suse not officially responded to the mailling list that fills the inadequacies in their support for zero cost ? Someone on the list has stated that Suse are modularising yast, and that yast1 and yast2 will both be available. How does he know this ? Is he privy to information we are not. If this is the case why are there no Alsa or new printer modules in Yast1 under Version 7.0, but existing for Yast2? Why does Suse not make it's intentions clear ? You all pay for Suse, the CD's may not be reproduced by 3rd parties for sale (unlike nearly all other distro's -- including Redhat). So you are paying for the distribution technology. This is certainly one of the reasons I use Suse. It seems to me to be completely legitimate to ask what the future holds in this regard. Suse in my experience almost never respond to feedback or info emails. It is time they did. This is a matter of a business transaction. Suse sit outside the free distribution chain so common in Linux - therefore they should respond in a business like manner. Flames to /dev/null. Creative comments to Suse. Cliff
At the risk of butting into an intense discussion, I'll venture the
following: Why not adopt a structure like a "User Group" as in the
commercial software industry in America? SuSE could present its release
plans to the group in a virtual forum and accept feedback. If the release
plan was in fact committed, the feedback could still impact the next
subsequent release -- which isn't that far away. SuSE wouldn't give up
much, if any, autonomy at all and could gain a lot. Being in on the early
announcement could create interest and excitement in the community. And
having its product plans more closely aligned with the needs of the
community could only strengthen SuSE's market position.
Peter Hollings
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From: "Cliff Sarginson"
Hello, I hope the enthusiastic accolades now coming onto the list, and the suggestion that discussion about yast1 has just been bandwidth wasting will not alter a few important points arising.
Firstly. Why has this speculation arose ? And why have Suse not officially responded to the mailling list that fills the inadequacies in their support for zero cost ?
Someone on the list has stated that Suse are modularising yast, and that yast1 and yast2 will both be available. How does he know this ? Is he privy to information we are not. If this is the case why are there no Alsa or new printer modules in Yast1 under Version 7.0, but existing for Yast2?
Why does Suse not make it's intentions clear ?
You all pay for Suse, the CD's may not be reproduced by 3rd parties for sale (unlike nearly all other distro's -- including Redhat). So you are paying for the distribution technology. This is certainly one of the reasons I use Suse. It seems to me to be completely legitimate to ask what the future holds in this regard.
Suse in my experience almost never respond to feedback or info emails. It is time they did.
This is a matter of a business transaction. Suse sit outside the free distribution chain so common in Linux - therefore they should respond in a business like manner.
Flames to /dev/null. Creative comments to Suse.
Cliff
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peter hollings wrote:
following: Why not adopt a structure like a "User Group" as in the commercial software industry in America? SuSE could present its release What sort of radical commie idea is that? :-) Seriously, this sounds like a great idea.
having its product plans more closely aligned with the needs of the community could only strengthen SuSE's market position. Sounds great to me. How about it SuSE?
Damon Register
Damon Register wrote:
peter hollings wrote:
following: Why not adopt a structure like a "User Group" as in the commercial software industry in America? SuSE could present its release What sort of radical commie idea is that? :-) Seriously, this sounds like a great idea.
having its product plans more closely aligned with the needs of the community could only strengthen SuSE's market position. Sounds great to me. How about it SuSE?
Damon Register
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I believe mandrake already do this, it is termed the cooker. Users get to test and comment on the forthcoming releases and are able to put forth their ideas on what they'd like to see in the forthcoming releases. I've used the cooker and I thought it worked well but don't forget md release a gpl version and that could be a stumbling block. nev
peter hollings wrote:
At the risk of butting into an intense discussion, I'll venture the following: Why not adopt a structure like a "User Group" as in the commercial software industry in America? SuSE could present its release plans to the group in a virtual forum and accept feedback. If the release plan was in fact committed, the feedback could still impact the next subsequent release -- which isn't that far away. SuSE wouldn't give up much, if any, autonomy at all and could gain a lot. Being in on the early announcement could create interest and excitement in the community. And having its product plans more closely aligned with the needs of the community could only strengthen SuSE's market position.
I'll mention this to SuSE when I speak to them. Bye, Chris -- __ _ -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Chris Reeves /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ICQ# 22219005 _\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
Cliff Sarginson wrote:
I hope the enthusiastic accolades now coming onto the list, and the suggestion that discussion about yast1 has just been bandwidth wasting will not alter a few important points arising.
I agree, I'm going to speak to some people and see if I can get an official statement to convince you all.
Firstly. Why has this speculation arose ? And why have Suse not officially responded to the mailling list that fills the inadequacies in their support for zero cost ?
SuSE doesn't monitor this list at all. Ben and Lenz, and Michael, Thorsten, etc. before them are here only because they want to help, and not because they work for SuSE.
Someone on the list has stated that Suse are modularising yast, and that yast1 and yast2 will both be available. How does he know this ? Is he privy to information we are not. If this is the case why are there no Alsa or new
Yes. ;-) Actually, I know this because it was discussed on this list about a year ago. Visit http://lists.suse.com/archives/suse-linux-e/1999-Dec/ and look for the thread with subject 'yast2'. I've actually run YaST2 in text mode before. The modularisation is to make it easy to update individual parts of YaST, and also means that supporting multiple languages also becomes easier. This is fact, not speculation.
printer modules in Yast1 under Version 7.0, but existing for Yast2?
Why does Suse not make it's intentions clear ?
You all pay for Suse, the CD's may not be reproduced by 3rd parties for sale (unlike nearly all other distro's -- including Redhat). So you are paying for the distribution technology. This is certainly one of the reasons I use Suse. It seems to me to be completely legitimate to ask what the future holds in this regard.
Suse in my experience almost never respond to feedback or info emails. It is time they did.
This is a matter of a business transaction. Suse sit outside the free distribution chain so common in Linux - therefore they should respond in a business like manner.
Have fun, Chris -- __ _ -o)/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Chris Reeves /\\ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / ICQ# 22219005 _\_v __/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\
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