[opensuse] howto test swap? [was RAM]
Ok, Now I'm confused... After all of the discussion about ram size/swap size, I decided to try and make my 1G Toshiba P35 laptop start swapping stuff to the swap file. I opened everything I could think of, 4 konsoles, 2 Open Office files, 3 Gimps, 2 Firefox, 2 Kongueror, Kjot, knotes, ksnapshot, kstars, Amarok, Thunderbird and several more, but the memory required, as shown by top, *never* exceeded 1G. The more I would open, the more slight slowness would occur, but I *always* had 13k - 15k of memory left and *nothing* was ever written to the swap file. Is this normal?? Was the memory just being remapped from the inactive programs? How can I test to see if my swap file is working? The partitioner says it is fine, mounted by the kernel as hda5 and is a nice health 2G in size. But if I can't get the laptop to write anything to it, how do I know it is working?? Weird question I know, but when I opened 15-20 applications I expected something to start getting written to the swap file. Any thoughts? -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 06:41 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
Ok,
Now I'm confused... After all of the discussion about ram size/swap size, I decided to try and make my 1G Toshiba P35 laptop start swapping stuff to the swap file.
I opened everything I could think of, 4 konsoles, 2 Open Office files, 3 Gimps, 2 Firefox, 2 Kongueror, Kjot, knotes, ksnapshot, kstars, Amarok, Thunderbird and several more, but the memory required, as shown by top, *never* exceeded 1G. The more I would open, the more slight slowness would occur, but I *always* had 13k - 15k of memory left and *nothing* was ever written to the swap file.
It probably was taken from the memory used for buffers. The command 'swapon -s' will also tell you the used swap and where. Just suspend the machine to disk, and get back: you will see that many things will remain swaped out. The computer is slow right after waking up, because needed things are not in ram and have to be read from disk. After a while, it is faster than before because it has got ridden himself of useless chunks in memory that has ben swapped out. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG8mAitTMYHG2NR9URAtbJAJ9zCiBhVmz9xFgffw+9XOMgNx3i2QCfdnkH dB1qyS8tmsi/jjbz58/Tg8c= =b6v9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 06:41 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
Ok,
Now I'm confused... After all of the discussion about ram size/swap size, I decided to try and make my 1G Toshiba P35 laptop start swapping stuff to the swap file.
I opened everything I could think of, 4 konsoles, 2 Open Office files, 3 Gimps, 2 Firefox, 2 Kongueror, Kjot, knotes, ksnapshot, kstars, Amarok, Thunderbird and several more, but the memory required, as shown by top, *never* exceeded 1G. The more I would open, the more slight slowness would occur, but I *always* had 13k - 15k of memory left and *nothing* was ever written to the swap file.
It probably was taken from the memory used for buffers. The command 'swapon -s' will also tell you the used swap and where.
Just suspend the machine to disk, and get back: you will see that many things will remain swaped out. The computer is slow right after waking up, because needed things are not in ram and have to be read from disk. After a while, it is faster than before because it has got ridden himself of useless chunks in memory that has ben swapped out.
[root Rankin-P35a:/home/david] # swapon -s Filename Type Size Used Priority /dev/hda5 partition 2104472 0 -1 What is strange is that man swapon says -s is equivalent to cat /proc/swaps. I do not have a /proc/swaps to be found. Hmm.. Thoughts? -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 06:41 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
Ok, Now I'm confused... After all of the discussion about ram size/swap size, I decided to try and make my 1G Toshiba P35 laptop start swapping stuff to the swap file. I opened everything I could think of, 4 konsoles, 2 Open Office files, 3 Gimps, 2 Firefox, 2 Kongueror, Kjot, knotes, ksnapshot, kstars, Amarok, Thunderbird and several more, but the memory required, as shown by top, *never* exceeded 1G. The more I would open, the more slight slowness would occur, but I *always* had 13k - 15k of memory left and *nothing* was ever written to the swap file. It probably was taken from the memory used for buffers. The command 'swapon -s' will also tell you the used swap and where.
Just suspend the machine to disk, and get back: you will see that many things will remain swaped out. The computer is slow right after waking up, because needed things are not in ram and have to be read from disk. After a while, it is faster than before because it has got ridden himself of useless chunks in memory that has ben swapped out.
[root Rankin-P35a:/home/david] # swapon -s Filename Type Size Used Priority /dev/hda5 partition 2104472 0 -1
What is strange is that man swapon says -s is equivalent to cat /proc/swaps. I do not have a /proc/swaps to be found. Hmm.. Thoughts?
Let me correct that. I do have a swaps it has the permissions: [root Rankin-P35a:/home/david] # ll /proc/swaps -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-09-20 07:33 /proc/swaps The permission would seem to prevent writing to swap. What should the permissions for swap be? -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
[root Rankin-P35a:/home/david] # ll /proc/swaps -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-09-20 07:33 /proc/swaps
The permission would seem to prevent writing to swap. What should the permissions for swap be?
This file simply contains a _list_ of your swap partition(s). Just do a "cat /proc/swaps". In my case this gives me: Filename Type Size Used Priority /dev/hda5 partition 562232 134424 -1 Which means that hda5 is being used as swap, swap size is ~562MB of which ~134MB are in use. If your swap partition is listed in this file, then it's being used. This is the first time in _months_ that I am using my swap at all (it's simply because I run a big deltaiso). Usually, my swap usage is at 0MB no matter what I do, so this is nothing to worry about. Actually, this is a good thing, because it means that I have sufficient RAM for the things that I am doing. Regards nordi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 06:41 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
Ok, Now I'm confused... After all of the discussion about ram size/swap size, I decided to try and make my 1G Toshiba P35 laptop start swapping stuff to the swap file. I opened everything I could think of, 4 konsoles, 2 Open Office files, 3 Gimps, 2 Firefox, 2 Kongueror, Kjot, knotes, ksnapshot, kstars, Amarok, Thunderbird and several more, but the memory required, as shown by top, *never* exceeded 1G. The more I would open, the more slight slowness would occur, but I *always* had 13k - 15k of memory left and *nothing* was ever written to the swap file. It probably was taken from the memory used for buffers. The command 'swapon -s' will also tell you the used swap and where.
Just suspend the machine to disk, and get back: you will see that many things will remain swaped out. The computer is slow right after waking up, because needed things are not in ram and have to be read from disk. After a while, it is faster than before because it has got ridden himself of useless chunks in memory that has ben swapped out. [root Rankin-P35a:/home/david] # swapon -s Filename Type Size Used Priority /dev/hda5 partition 2104472 0 -1
What is strange is that man swapon says -s is equivalent to cat /proc/swaps. I do not have a /proc/swaps to be found. Hmm.. Thoughts?
Let me correct that. I do have a swaps it has the permissions:
[root Rankin-P35a:/home/david] # ll /proc/swaps -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-09-20 07:33 /proc/swaps
The permission would seem to prevent writing to swap. What should the permissions for swap be?
Your normal user wouldn't write to it anyway. It's just a special informational file (like most if not all the files found in /proc), it isn't the actual swap file. The actual swap partition is specified in the /etc/fstab file. -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Linux Brain Dump - Linux Notes, HOWTOs and Tutorials: http://www.linuxbraindump.org Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jonathan Arnold wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
David C. Rankin wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 06:41 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
Ok, Now I'm confused... After all of the discussion about ram size/swap size, I decided to try and make my 1G Toshiba P35 laptop start swapping stuff to the swap file. I opened everything I could think of, 4 konsoles, 2 Open Office files, 3 Gimps, 2 Firefox, 2 Kongueror, Kjot, knotes, ksnapshot, kstars, Amarok, Thunderbird and several more, but the memory required, as shown by top, *never* exceeded 1G. The more I would open, the more slight slowness would occur, but I *always* had 13k - 15k of memory left and *nothing* was ever written to the swap file.
It probably was taken from the memory used for buffers. The command 'swapon -s' will also tell you the used swap and where.
Just suspend the machine to disk, and get back: you will see that many things will remain swaped out. The computer is slow right after waking up, because needed things are not in ram and have to be read from disk. After a while, it is faster than before because it has got ridden himself of useless chunks in memory that has ben swapped out.
[root Rankin-P35a:/home/david] # swapon -s Filename Type Size Used Priority /dev/hda5 partition 2104472 0 -1
What is strange is that man swapon says -s is equivalent to cat /proc/swaps. I do not have a /proc/swaps to be found. Hmm.. Thoughts?
Let me correct that. I do have a swaps it has the permissions:
[root Rankin-P35a:/home/david] # ll /proc/swaps -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-09-20 07:33 /proc/swaps
The permission would seem to prevent writing to swap. What should the permissions for swap be?
Your normal user wouldn't write to it anyway. It's just a special informational file (like most if not all the files found in /proc), it isn't the actual swap file. The actual swap partition is specified in the /etc/fstab file.
The /proc directory is really a reflection of kernel data structures. They are not real files and directories. Through the magic of VFS, system calls to these files and directories invoke routines that read the current kernel data. Under /proc/sys, there are nodes that are tunable kernel parameters, and these do have write permission. Many commands, such as ps, top, lsmod, vmstat, and others, retrieve their data from /proc. This approach avoids the proliferation of system calls, by using VFS and pseudo filesystems. Bill Anderson WW7BA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 07:34 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
[root Rankin-P35a:/home/david] # swapon -s Filename Type Size Used Priority /dev/hda5 partition 2104472 0 -1
What is strange is that man swapon says -s is equivalent to cat /proc/swaps. I do not have a /proc/swaps to be found. Hmm.. Thoughts?
You should. I do: cer@nimrodel:~> cat /proc/swaps Filename Type Size Used Priority /dev/hdd7 partition 6297440 589736 42
Let me correct that. I do have a swaps it has the permissions:
[root Rankin-P35a:/home/david] # ll /proc/swaps -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-09-20 07:33 /proc/swaps
The permission would seem to prevent writing to swap. What should the permissions for swap be?
Permissions are correct. That's just an informational, virtual file, not the real swap. And any way, a user or its program do not write to the swap: it is the kernel who does. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG8ouYtTMYHG2NR9URAlBuAKCRpk0jF6UhkbTCjjXEaUaocO8nHACfbLT/ b3mwoYeEnoBCP87YZ55Vnj8= =LeDi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 06:41 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
Ok,
Now I'm confused... After all of the discussion about ram size/swap size, I decided to try and make my 1G Toshiba P35 laptop start swapping stuff to the swap file.
I opened everything I could think of, 4 konsoles, 2 Open Office files, 3 Gimps, 2 Firefox, 2 Kongueror, Kjot, knotes, ksnapshot, kstars, Amarok, Thunderbird and several more, but the memory required, as shown by top, *never* exceeded 1G. The more I would open, the more slight slowness would occur, but I *always* had 13k - 15k of memory left and *nothing* was ever written to the swap file.
It probably was taken from the memory used for buffers. The command 'swapon -s' will also tell you the used swap and where.
Just suspend the machine to disk, and get back: you will see that many things will remain swaped out. The computer is slow right after waking up, because needed things are not in ram and have to be read from disk. After a while, it is faster than before because it has got ridden himself of useless chunks in memory that has ben swapped out.
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I have been avoiding this thread, because the answer is too long. For optimal performance, the kernel pre-allocates buffers and caches. It steals from these buffers and caches as it needs memory for applications. As for application memory usage, Linux does not keep all of the application in memory. Virtual memory is the memory map of an application. The physical memory only contains those pages in use by the application. Thus, if you run a command like top, you will see the virtual size and the resident size. As for swap space, the kernel only needs to send the anonymous memory pages of an application to swap space, the text (code) can be retrieved from the disk file for the application. The kernel attempts to keep a certain percentage of memory as free, to avoid running out of memory. If a memory shortage occurs, the kernel will automatically kill applications based on their oom score. If push comes to shove, the kernel shall survive. Bill Anderson WW7BA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 07:08 -0600, Bill Anderson wrote:
you will see the virtual size and the resident size. As for swap space, the kernel only needs to send the anonymous memory pages of an application to swap space, the text (code) can be retrieved from the disk file for the application.
Which is probably slower than just using swap for all (instead of seeking all around the disk). - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG8ozotTMYHG2NR9URAguTAKCNsLCSCQJI5xIqDkgT9nVvoi9pSgCgh6sT 4XWHVIPvh4BQIUp0sY8stYE= =y8jt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 20 September 2007 08:08, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 07:08 -0600, Bill Anderson wrote:
you will see the virtual size and the resident size. As for swap space, the kernel only needs to send the anonymous memory pages of an application to swap space, the text (code) can be retrieved from the disk file for the application.
Which is probably slower than just using swap for all (instead of seeking all around the disk).
Maybe, maybe not. For one thing, it's always advisable to have dedicated disks for swap. Also, when more than one process is using the text (instructions) or read-only data pages in question, they are much less likely to be abandoned. The extensive use of shared libraries means that many of the potentially sharable pages within a given process are likely to actually be in use by other processes, as well. Only large applications tend to have a high ratio of unique to shared pages.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 07:08 -0600, Bill Anderson wrote:
you will see the virtual size and the resident size. As for swap space, the kernel only needs to send the anonymous memory pages of an application to swap space, the text (code) can be retrieved from the disk file for the application.
Which is probably slower than just using swap for all (instead of seeking all around the disk).
- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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This paging concept has been around for awhile. Even Unix has doesn't page text to swap, as the writes are just too expensive. With a good elevator algorithm the cost of seeks is minimal. Bill Anderson WW7BA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 09:53 -0600, Bill Anderson wrote:
kernel only needs to send the anonymous memory pages of an application to swap space, the text (code) can be retrieved from the disk file for the application.
Which is probably slower than just using swap for all (instead of seeking all around the disk).
This paging concept has been around for awhile. Even Unix has doesn't page text to swap, as the writes are just too expensive. With a good elevator algorithm the cost of seeks is minimal.
I know, even windows uses that method. But the real reason was that swap space was expensive, when the method was invented; that is no longer the case. There is a noticeable difference in speed from reading code from each respective file than compared to read from contiguous raw swap space. It can be worse if it first have to read the inode, then the code, which I think it might do. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG8qr6tTMYHG2NR9URAqloAJ4+TDS7DztpWeNVOCc1cLyjPXj8UwCghQ1T BIuRTiFAj4RcESHHEUFOiiE= =zZva -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 09:53 -0600, Bill Anderson wrote:
kernel only needs to send the anonymous memory pages of an application to swap space, the text (code) can be retrieved from the disk file for the application.
Which is probably slower than just using swap for all (instead of seeking all around the disk).
This paging concept has been around for awhile. Even Unix has doesn't page text to swap, as the writes are just too expensive. With a good elevator algorithm the cost of seeks is minimal.
I know, even windows uses that method. But the real reason was that swap space was expensive, when the method was invented; that is no longer the case.
There is a noticeable difference in speed from reading code from each respective file than compared to read from contiguous raw swap space.
It can be worse if it first have to read the inode, then the code, which I think it might do.
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Objects for the dentry and inode remain in the cache, since there is a reference to them. The kernel even keeps objects around for which their is no longer a file object. Of course, these entries are discarded if there is a need for the memory. You can see all this in /proc/slabinfo. Bill Anderson WW7BA -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
(sorry for the Double post Bill I hit send too soon) Bill Anderson wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 06:41 -0500, David C. Rankin wrote:
Ok,
Now I'm confused... After all of the discussion about ram size/swap size, I decided to try and make my 1G Toshiba P35 laptop start swapping stuff to the swap file.
I opened everything I could think of, 4 konsoles, 2 Open Office files, 3 Gimps, 2 Firefox, 2 Kongueror, Kjot, knotes, ksnapshot, kstars, Amarok, Thunderbird and several more, but the memory required, as shown by top, *never* exceeded 1G. The more I would open, the more slight slowness would occur, but I *always* had 13k - 15k of memory left and *nothing* was ever written to the swap file.
It probably was taken from the memory used for buffers. The command 'swapon -s' will also tell you the used swap and where.
Just suspend the machine to disk, and get back: you will see that many things will remain swaped out. The computer is slow right after waking up, because needed things are not in ram and have to be read from disk. After a while, it is faster than before because it has got ridden himself of useless chunks in memory that has ben swapped out.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
I have been avoiding this thread, because the answer is too long. For optimal performance, the kernel pre-allocates buffers and caches. It steals from these buffers and caches as it needs memory for applications. As for application memory usage, Linux does not keep all of the application in memory. Virtual memory is the memory map of an application. The physical memory only contains those pages in use by the application. Thus, if you run a command like top, you will see the virtual size and the resident size. As for swap space, the kernel only needs to send the anonymous memory pages of an application to swap space, the text (code) can be retrieved from the disk file for the application.
The kernel attempts to keep a certain percentage of memory as free, to avoid running out of memory. If a memory shortage occurs, the kernel will automatically kill applications based on their oom score. If push comes to shove, the kernel shall survive.
Bill Anderson WW7BA
Now that is a great answer! The veil of fog has lifted, I have learned something new, and I understand a lot better now why my memory allocation and swap behavior appear as they do in top. Thanks! -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
David C. Rankin wrote:
I opened everything I could think of, 4 konsoles, 2 Open Office files, 3 Gimps, 2 Firefox, 2 Kongueror, Kjot, knotes, ksnapshot, kstars, Amarok, Thunderbird and several more, but the memory required, as shown by top, *never* exceeded 1G. The more I would open, the more slight slowness would occur, but I *always* had 13k - 15k of memory left and *nothing* was ever written to the swap file.
Is this normal?? Was the memory just being remapped from the inactive programs? How can I test to see if my swap file is working? The partitioner says it is fine, mounted by the kernel as hda5 and is a nice health 2G in size. But if I can't get the laptop to write anything to it, how do I know it is working??
The simple advice is to stop worrying! You haven't got a problem so stop looking for one :) A slightly more complicated answer: programs don't use swap, data does. That's an exaggaration but is the gist of the answer. If you want to use some swap, load one gimp and then open lots of pictures. Or load openoffice and lots of documents. Or firefox and lots of web pages. You get the idea. Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 14:01 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote:
The simple advice is to stop worrying! You haven't got a problem so stop looking for one :)
He is just curious ;-)
A slightly more complicated answer: programs don't use swap, data does. That's an exaggaration but is the gist of the answer. If you want to use some swap, load one gimp and then open lots of pictures.
The Gimp uses its own temporary space in disk.
Or load openoffice and lots of documents. Or firefox and lots of web pages. You get the idea.
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On Thursday 20 September 2007 08:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Thursday 2007-09-20 at 14:01 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote: ...
A slightly more complicated answer: programs don't use swap, data does. That's an exaggaration but is the gist of the answer. If you want to use some swap, load one gimp and then open lots of pictures.
The Gimp uses its own temporary space in disk.
And it allows the user to configure where (within the file system) to create its temporary files.
...
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
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