[opensuse] Is it possible to roll-back or undo an entire upgrade?
I've recently upgraded a laptop from 11.4 to 12.2 - the upgrade went very well, no issues at all. However, the machine is clearly not "big" enough to run 12.2+KDE, and the user is now complaining about it being slow and difficult to work with. I could always re-install 11.4, but I thought I'd ask about the possibility of doing a downgrade? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-10-07 03:25 (GMT-0400) Per Jessen composed:
I've recently upgraded a laptop from 11.4 to 12.2 - the upgrade went very well, no issues at all. However, the machine is clearly not "big" enough to run 12.2+KDE, and the user is now complaining about it being
What CPU/speed and gfxchip does it have?
slow and difficult to work with. I could always re-install 11.4, but I thought I'd ask about the possibility of doing a downgrade?
Before doing anything so drastic you might want to try performance tweaking: 1:create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-composite.conf containing: Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Disable" EndSection 2:disable automatic nepomuk/strigi startup: A:make sure ~/.kde4/share/config/nepomukserverrc includes: [Basic Settings] Start Nepomuk=false [main Settings] Storage Dir[$e]=$HOME/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/ Used Soprano Backend=null rebuilt index for type indexing=false [Service-nepomukstrigiservice] autostart=false B:make sure ~/.kde4/share/config/nepomukstrigirc includes: [General] exclude folders[$e]=$HOME/tmp/null index hidden folders=false index newly mounted=false 3:go into desktop settings and deslect most or all of the individual effects If those alone are not enough: 4:install KDE3 and/or LXDE and/or XFCE & make it default WM Additional KDE tweaking questions should goto opensuse-kde and/or opensuse-kde3 list(s). -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
On 2012-10-07 03:25 (GMT-0400) Per Jessen composed:
I've recently upgraded a laptop from 11.4 to 12.2 - the upgrade went very well, no issues at all. However, the machine is clearly not "big" enough to run 12.2+KDE, and the user is now complaining about it being
What CPU/speed and gfxchip does it have?
slow and difficult to work with. I could always re-install 11.4, but I thought I'd ask about the possibility of doing a downgrade?
Before doing anything so drastic you might want to try performance tweaking:
1:create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-composite.conf containing: Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Disable" EndSection
2:disable automatic nepomuk/strigi startup: A:make sure ~/.kde4/share/config/nepomukserverrc includes: [Basic Settings] Start Nepomuk=false [main Settings] Storage Dir[$e]=$HOME/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/ Used Soprano Backend=null rebuilt index for type indexing=false [Service-nepomukstrigiservice] autostart=false
B:make sure ~/.kde4/share/config/nepomukstrigirc includes: [General] exclude folders[$e]=$HOME/tmp/null index hidden folders=false index newly mounted=false
3:go into desktop settings and deslect most or all of the individual effects
If those alone are not enough:
4:install KDE3 and/or LXDE and/or XFCE & make it default WM
Additional KDE tweaking questions should goto opensuse-kde and/or opensuse-kde3 list(s). -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Before you do all that, make sure none of the packages you installed pulled in "tracker". If they did, uninstall it. I always have serious performance problems if tracker is installed, and it is pretty much useless for KDE users, but it is easy to accidentally install. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012-10-07 03:25 (GMT-0400) Per Jessen composed:
I've recently upgraded a laptop from 11.4 to 12.2 - the upgrade went very well, no issues at all. However, the machine is clearly not "big" enough to run 12.2+KDE, and the user is now complaining about it being
What CPU/speed and gfxchip does it have?
It's a Celeron 1.5GHz with ATI Radeon Xpress 200M. Not exactly a powerful workstation, but it's been doing a fine job until this upgrade.
slow and difficult to work with. I could always re-install 11.4, but I thought I'd ask about the possibility of doing a downgrade?
Before doing anything so drastic you might want to try performance tweaking:
1:create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-composite.conf containing: Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "Disable" EndSection
Is this related to openGL compositing? When I go into "System Settings"->"Desktop Effects", it says OpenGL Compositing is disabled due to an earlier crash.
2:disable automatic nepomuk/strigi startup: A:make sure ~/.kde4/share/config/nepomukserverrc includes: [Basic Settings] Start Nepomuk=false
Check.
[main Settings] Storage Dir[$e]=$HOME/.kde4/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/ Used Soprano Backend=null
I have Backend=redland.
rebuilt index for type indexing=false
and indexing=true.
[Service-nepomukstrigiservice] autostart=false
B:make sure ~/.kde4/share/config/nepomukstrigirc includes: [General] exclude folders[$e]=$HOME/tmp/null index hidden folders=false index newly mounted=false
I've created that file now.
3:go into desktop settings and deslect most or all of the individual effects
If those alone are not enough:
4:install KDE3 and/or LXDE and/or XFCE & make it default WM
KDE3 might just be a possibility, thanks for reminding me. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Quoting Per Jessen <per@computer.org>:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012-10-07 03:25 (GMT-0400) Per Jessen composed:
I've recently upgraded a laptop from 11.4 to 12.2 - the upgrade went very well, no issues at all. However, the machine is clearly not "big" enough to run 12.2+KDE, and the user is now complaining about it being
What CPU/speed and gfxchip does it have?
It's a Celeron 1.5GHz with ATI Radeon Xpress 200M. Not exactly a powerful workstation, but it's been doing a fine job until this upgrade.
I upgraded a IBM Thinkpad T41 with comparable specs via a clean install from 11.2 to 12.2. Firefox is problematic, uses too much CPU and memory. With XFCE and Opera for routine browsing it is usable. I don't leave a browser running all the time on this machine, again only 2MB of memory. Too many of the packages I needed for work required a newer OS. I would not think of going back. But I knew this situation was temporary. The T41 was sitting in for a T520 that was in the shop. HTH, Jeffrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-10-07 22:02, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:
running all the time on this machine, again only 2MB of memory.
2 MB? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBx75YACgkQIvFNjefEBxpKEgCg1JcwXZUnnOpoimdMMvH5Co9U AeQAn3vdADKjg36YQfR5k9Z+rpxPB/kW =teUh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Quoting Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net>:
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On 2012-10-07 22:02, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:
running all the time on this machine, again only 2MB of memory.
2 MB?
Ah, my age is showing. I have run Linux on systems with as low as 20MB of memory. My first computer, an IMSAI 8080, had 8KB of memory. The T41 has 2GB of memory. Jeffrey -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-10-07 09:25, Per Jessen wrote:
I could always re-install 11.4, but I thought I'd ask about the possibility of doing a downgrade?
A zypper dup might do it, but better a backup restore. But would systemd be taken back? How? - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBxa5wACgkQIvFNjefEBxpZhwCePlAWgVBAMB9B46R7eD0Z0OTG q70An2Rv0Td7idu3oH6svwc0sPaewPly =Pn9W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 07/10/12 04:25, Per Jessen escribió:
I've recently upgraded a laptop from 11.4 to 12.2 - the upgrade went very well, no issues at all. However, the machine is clearly not "big" enough to run 12.2+KDE, and the user is now complaining about it being slow and difficult to work with. I could always re-install 11.4, but I thought I'd ask about the possibility of doing a downgrade?
Atm, it is not possible, it may be possible in the future using BTFS snapshots though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/07/2012 08:12 PM, Cristian Rodríguez pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
El 07/10/12 04:25, Per Jessen escribió:
I've recently upgraded a laptop from 11.4 to 12.2 - the upgrade went very well, no issues at all. However, the machine is clearly not "big" enough to run 12.2+KDE, and the user is now complaining about it being slow and difficult to work with. I could always re-install 11.4, but I thought I'd ask about the possibility of doing a downgrade?
Atm, it is not possible, it may be possible in the future using BTFS snapshots though.
Before throwing all away try changing the main repos (oss,non-oss,update) to the 11.4 equivalents and disable all others. Then try using zypper dup after a ref. If it doesn't work you will not have lost anything but a little time. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 10/07/2012 08:12 PM, Cristian Rodríguez pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
El 07/10/12 04:25, Per Jessen escribió:
I've recently upgraded a laptop from 11.4 to 12.2 - the upgrade went very well, no issues at all. However, the machine is clearly not "big" enough to run 12.2+KDE, and the user is now complaining about it being slow and difficult to work with. I could always re-install 11.4, but I thought I'd ask about the possibility of doing a downgrade?
Atm, it is not possible, it may be possible in the future using BTFS snapshots though.
Before throwing all away try changing the main repos (oss,non-oss,update) to the 11.4 equivalents and disable all others. Then try using zypper dup after a ref. If it doesn't work you will not have lost anything but a little time.
Thanks, it's worth a try. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (8.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:
On 10/07/2012 08:12 PM, Cristian Rodríguez pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
El 07/10/12 04:25, Per Jessen escribió:
I've recently upgraded a laptop from 11.4 to 12.2 - the upgrade went very well, no issues at all. However, the machine is clearly not "big" enough to run 12.2+KDE, and the user is now complaining about it being slow and difficult to work with. I could always re-install 11.4, but I thought I'd ask about the possibility of doing a downgrade?
Atm, it is not possible, it may be possible in the future using BTFS snapshots though.
Before throwing all away try changing the main repos (oss,non-oss,update) to the 11.4 equivalents and disable all others. Then try using zypper dup after a ref. If it doesn't work you will not have lost anything but a little time.
Thanks, it's worth a try.
Okay, I tried it - initially it looked good, but then glibc got downgraded to 2.11.3, and things started falling over (message copied by hand): installation of <something> failed, Error: subprocess failed. Error RPM failed: rpm: /lib/libc.so.6: version GLIBC_2.15 not found (required by /usr/lib/librpm.so.2). I aborted the downgraded at this point, so now the system is presumably in some largely unknown state. I'll install 11.4 and see how that looks. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-10-12 17:13, Per Jessen wrote:
I aborted the downgraded at this point, so now the system is presumably in some largely unknown state. I'll install 11.4 and see how that looks.
There is another procedure: upgrade using the DVD. Boot the 11.4 DVD, choose upgrade, pray :-) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlB4Y5EACgkQja8UbcUWM1xxzQEAhi1rTJtQwJ12Na6dHNMhQtNE lDGZIQ9S6VadLfrdgYoA/1eVnphNvIncC/HdjGBF3R/a6+gx/8EQi7GFpC7Pouqg =TxFx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
El 12/10/12 12:13, Per Jessen escribió:
installation of <something> failed, Error: subprocess failed. Error RPM failed: rpm: /lib/libc.so.6: version GLIBC_2.15 not found (required by /usr/lib/librpm.so.2).
Yeah, that's game over, at least when doing a live downgrade, you may have better luck with a DVD. This is an usecase that is not tested at all so it will probably go wrong. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 12/10/12 12:13, Per Jessen escribió:
installation of <something> failed, Error: subprocess failed. Error RPM failed: rpm: /lib/libc.so.6: version GLIBC_2.15 not found (required by /usr/lib/librpm.so.2).
Yeah, that's game over, at least when doing a live downgrade, you may have better luck with a DVD.
This is an usecase that is not tested at all so it will probably go wrong.
Yeah, I completely appreciate that - I did the downgrade on a separate, but identical machine, so no harm done to anything, but it sounded like something worth trying. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-10-13 09:50, Per Jessen wrote:
Yeah, I completely appreciate that - I did the downgrade on a separate, but identical machine, so no harm done to anything, but it sounded like something worth trying.
But you haven't tried with the DVD. Being off-line, it does not matter that there are missing libraries. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlB5YWAACgkQja8UbcUWM1wlxgD/SZJgTOOMekv2Efapjr1mjm77 go+7DADqxQLPv7n9jAMA/3FVM1EYl2VlMIjyVt2UYCGcfPRL4EBUhfvO8bkAicyZ =1aZf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2012-10-13 09:50, Per Jessen wrote:
Yeah, I completely appreciate that - I did the downgrade on a separate, but identical machine, so no harm done to anything, but it sounded like something worth trying.
But you haven't tried with the DVD. Being off-line, it does not matter that there are missing libraries.
I don't have a DVD-burner, nor any DVD-media - maybe I'll try with a USB-stick. Anyway, I've now installed 11.2 on this identical machine, see new thread. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.5°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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